My future Python IDE article

**Rune** · Jul 18 '05, 02:01 AM

Re: My future Python IDE article

On Tue, 26 Aug 2003 13:39:17 -0400, mertz@gnosis.cx (David Mertz)
wrote:

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>Here's the thing: I probably have room to look at about four different
>tools in one article. In fact, it wouldn't be absurd to only do three.
>Past that, I cannot do more than list contact information and platform
>in the available words. I'm sure there are more than four IDEs that
>-someone- loves to work with out there... but I need to have a cutoff.[/color]

At least you will have to comment the Komodo from ActiveState.

Rune

**Dialtone** · Jul 18 '05, 02:01 AM

Re: My future Python IDE article

mertz@gnosis.cx (David Mertz) writes:
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> So c.l.py readers... make the case for your favorite one getting on the
> list. I have a while to ponder the opinions advanced, should this
> prompt some discussion (it may take a little while to order review
> copies of commercial tools and/or get things installed).[/color]

This one is easy :).

My voting goes for:

1) Emacs + python-mode + ipython as interactive shell inside emacs +
speedbar as class browser (I use this... actually I use emacs for
everything :))

2) Eric3

3) Eclipse + Trustudio

4) Another one randomly

PS: Under windows my favourite is PythonWin

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**Peter Milliken** · Jul 18 '05, 02:02 AM

Re: My future Python IDE article

"Dialtone" <dialtone#NOSPA M#.despammed@ar uba.it> wrote in message
news:87smno1bfh .fsf@vercingeto rix.caesar.org. ..[color=blue]
> mertz@gnosis.cx (David Mertz) writes:
>[color=green]
> > So c.l.py readers... make the case for your favorite one getting on the
> > list. I have a while to ponder the opinions advanced, should this
> > prompt some discussion (it may take a little while to order review
> > copies of commercial tools and/or get things installed).[/color]
>
> This one is easy :).
>
> My voting goes for:
>
> 1) Emacs + python-mode + ipython as interactive shell inside emacs +
> speedbar as class browser (I use this... actually I use emacs for
> everything :))[/color]

I use the same Emacs configuration with the addition of ELSE (with the
python code templates for easy code input) and PyMacs (for extending Emacs
using Python).
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>
> 2) Eric3
>
> 3) Eclipse + Trustudio
>
> 4) Another one randomly
>
> PS: Under windows my favourite is PythonWin
>
> --
> Valentino Volonghi, Regia SpA, Milan
>
> Linux User #310274, Debian Sid Proud User[/color]

**Chris Reedy** · Jul 18 '05, 02:02 AM

Re: My future Python IDE article

David Mertz wrote:[color=blue]
>
> So c.l.py readers... make the case for your favorite one getting on the
> list. I have a while to ponder the opinions advanced, should this
> prompt some discussion (it may take a little while to order review
> copies of commercial tools and/or get things installed).[/color]

Boy, this is a hard one. I currently use IDLE for all my work, mostly
since it comes gratis with Python. For that reason I find myself wanting
to argue for its inclusion so I have a baseline for comparison.

Beyond that, I think the ones I'd be most interested in hearing about
would be eric3 and Komodo, mainly because those are ones where I've gone
to the trouble to look at their web pages.

Chris

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**Lawrence Oluyede** · Jul 18 '05, 02:02 AM

Re: My future Python IDE article

Dialtone <dialtone#NOSPA M#.despammed@ar uba.it> writes:
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> 3) Eclipse + Trustudio[/color]

Mmm i don't think so. IDLE is better :-)
And i think that's not a great idea to use an IDE
that needs a JVM to run only to have syntax highlighting
and a not-so-smart indentation feature. For Trustudio you
need a JVM (~20 Mb) , Eclipse (~60Mb), Trustudio plugins
(~1.5 Mb)

For IDLE you need nothing :)

When Trustudio will become really useful, i think that'll
be the time to look at it, since Eclipse itself is awesome
for refactoring and Java coding

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**Lawrence Oluyede** · Jul 18 '05, 02:02 AM

Re: My future Python IDE article

"Peter Milliken" <peterm@resmed. com.au> writes:
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> I use the same Emacs configuration with the addition of ELSE (with the
> python code templates for easy code input) and PyMacs (for extending Emacs
> using Python).[/color]

Cool! How does ELSE works? How could i setup Emacs to use it easily?

PyMacs? Wow :) I'll check it out tomorrow

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**Paul M** · Jul 18 '05, 02:02 AM

Re: My future Python IDE article

David Mertz wrote:
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>
> So c.l.py readers... make the case for your favorite one getting on the
> list. I have a while to ponder the opinions advanced, should this
> prompt some discussion (it may take a little while to order review
> copies of commercial tools and/or get things installed).
>
> Yours, David...[/color]

I think it would be great to focus on truly cross platform IDEs. I
regularly use Python on Win32, Linux, and Mac OS X, and I tend to prefer
editors that work on at least those platforms (more would be great!). I
imagine other people platform-hop a lot as well. And cross
platform-ness is definitely keeping with the spirit of python.

--Paul M.

**Paul Paterson** · Jul 18 '05, 02:02 AM

Re: My future Python IDE article

"David Mertz" <mertz@gnosis.c x> wrote in message
news:mailman.10 61920192.21278. python-list@python.org ...
<snip request for IDE suggestions>

Depending on how you want to define IDE, Leo would be my choice. I use it to
develop code, documentation, web pages as well as a arranging thoughts and
ideas in a structured way. For me, it is the best IDE because it integrates
with the way I think. The ability to represent the same information in
mutiple ways is a very powerful feature that I haven't seen matched in other
IDE's.

As a different spin on IDE's, Leo is definitely worth a look.

Paul

**Luca Simonetti** · Jul 18 '05, 02:02 AM

Re: My future Python IDE article

My favorites IDEs:

1)Eric3 (despite a little work still to do) under Linux;
2)Pythonwin under Windows;
3)Komodo if I would buy one.
4)Pycrust is also a useful tool

Luca

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**Jacek Generowicz** · Jul 18 '05, 02:02 AM

Re: My future Python IDE article

mertz@gnosis.cx (David Mertz) writes:
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> So c.l.py readers... make the case for your favorite one getting on
> the list.[/color]

I'll have to sling in another vote for (X)Emacs.

Even if you were to use Emacs exclusively for Python development, it
already provides an excellent environment.

However, as you approach the limit where Emacs _is_ your opearting
system, the level of integration it provides is unsurpassable :-)

**rzed** · Jul 18 '05, 02:02 AM

Re: My future Python IDE article

David Mertz wrote:[color=blue]
> Pythonistas,
>
> My loyal fans :-) will remember that I did a Python IDE roundup for
> _Charming Python_ a couple years back. Now I have another such
> roundup lined up... not the very next article, but it's there on
> the list.
>
> In the intervening years, I've hardly touched anything one might
> call an IDE. I've looked at screenshots from time to time, and
> read various announcements. But really I just use text editors and
> command lines.
>
> Here's the thing: I probably have room to look at about four
> different tools in one article. In fact, it wouldn't be absurd to
> only do three. Past that, I cannot do more than list contact
> information and platform in the available words. I'm sure there
> are more than four IDEs that
> -someone- loves to work with out there... but I need to have a
> cutoff.
>
> So c.l.py readers... make the case for your favorite one getting on
> the list. I have a while to ponder the opinions advanced, should
> this prompt some discussion (it may take a little while to order
> review copies of commercial tools and/or get things installed).
>[/color]

I hope you'll take a look at boa constructor. It's an interesting
project that is rapidly becoming better than just good.

--
rzed

**Gerhard Häring** · Jul 18 '05, 02:03 AM

Re: My future Python IDE article

Mike Thompson wrote:[color=blue]
> "David Mertz" wrote:[color=green]
>>So c.l.py readers... make the case for your favorite one getting on the
>>list.[/color]
>
> I'm surprised no one has mentioned Boa. I tryed Wing & Komodo, before finding
> Boa.[/color]

Boa is far from finished. Depending on your wxPython version and how you
use the IDE, it could work surprisingly well or annoy you to no end in
my experience.

I'd recommend to not review alpha software like Boa.

-- Gerhard

**Alan James Salmoni** · Jul 18 '05, 02:03 AM

Re: My future Python IDE article

Hi David,

Although a lot of posters have recommended Emacs (and maybe Vim too?),
I would avoid reviewing it (them) simply because it's been done so
many times already.

Personally, I would include:

1) SciTE - cross-platform, multi-language etc. It alters the font for
different elements of code (eg, comments are in one font, code in
another which, along with different colours, makes different sections
easy to locate - for me at least!).
2) Leo - I have tried to use this, but am not really up to speed with
it. However, it seems interesting, and like a previous poster said, it
could be used for many tasks. It seems quite powerful once it is
learned.

All the best!

Alan James Salmoni
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mertz@gnosis.cx (David Mertz) wrote in message news:<mailman.1 061920192.21278 .python-list@python.org >...[color=blue]
> Pythonistas,
>
> My loyal fans :-) will remember that I did a Python IDE roundup for
> _Charming Python_ a couple years back. Now I have another such roundup
> lined up... not the very next article, but it's there on the list.
>
> In the intervening years, I've hardly touched anything one might call an
> IDE. I've looked at screenshots from time to time, and read various
> announcements. But really I just use text editors and command lines.
>
> Here's the thing: I probably have room to look at about four different
> tools in one article. In fact, it wouldn't be absurd to only do three.
> Past that, I cannot do more than list contact information and platform
> in the available words. I'm sure there are more than four IDEs that
> -someone- loves to work with out there... but I need to have a cutoff.
>
> So c.l.py readers... make the case for your favorite one getting on the
> list. I have a while to ponder the opinions advanced, should this
> prompt some discussion (it may take a little while to order review
> copies of commercial tools and/or get things installed).
>
> Yours, David...[/color]

**Aahz** · Jul 18 '05, 02:03 AM

Re: My future Python IDE article

In article <mailman.106192 0192.21278.pyth on-list@python.org >,
David Mertz <mertz@gnosis.c x> wrote:[color=blue]
>
>So c.l.py readers... make the case for your favorite one getting on the
>list. I have a while to ponder the opinions advanced, should this
>prompt some discussion (it may take a little while to order review
>copies of commercial tools and/or get things installed).[/color]

I use vi, so take my advice with a grain of salt, but I think you should
include IDLE because there have been so many improvements with Python 2.3
(running code in a separate process, if nothing else), and it is the
standard IDE that comes with Python. That would make three + IDLE for
your article, and you can get started on IDLE now.
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