PEP submission broken?

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  • Bryan Olson

    #1

    PEP submission broken?


    Though I tried to submit a (pre-) PEP in the proper form through the proper
    channels, it has disappeared into the ether.


    In building a class that supports Python's slicing interface,



    I encountered a Python bug, which, upon further discussion, seemed to be
    a combination of a wart and a documentation error.




    I submitted the bug report via SourceForge; the resolution was to document
    the actual behavior. Next I worked out what behavior I think would
    eliminate
    the wart, wrote it up as a pre-PEP, and sent it peps@python.org on 27 Aug of
    this year.

    I promptly received an automated response from Barry Warsaw, saying, in
    part,
    "I get so much email that I can't promise a personal response." I
    gathered that
    he is a PEP editor. I did not infer from his reply that PEP's are simply
    ignored, but
    this automated reply was the only response I ever received. I subscribed
    to the
    Python-dev list, and watched, and waited; nothing on my concern appeared.


    One response on the comp.lang.pytho n newsgroup noted that a popular
    extention module would have difficulty maintaining consistency with my
    proposed PEP. My proposal does not break how the extension currently
    works, but still, that's a valid point. There are variations which do
    not have
    that problem, and I think I can see a course that will serve the entire
    Python community. From what I can tell, We need to address fixing the
    PEP process before there is any point in working on PEP's,



    --
    --Bryan
  • Steve Holden

    #2
    Re: PEP submission broken?

    Bryan Olson wrote:[color=blue]
    > Though I tried to submit a (pre-) PEP in the proper form through the proper
    > channels, it has disappeared into the ether.
    >
    >
    > In building a class that supports Python's slicing interface,
    >
    > http://groups.google.com/group/comp....35464483aa7d7b
    >
    > I encountered a Python bug, which, upon further discussion, seemed to be
    > a combination of a wart and a documentation error.
    >
    >
    > http://groups.google.com/group/comp....2d770b6f503c27
    >
    > I submitted the bug report via SourceForge; the resolution was to document
    > the actual behavior. Next I worked out what behavior I think would
    > eliminate
    > the wart, wrote it up as a pre-PEP, and sent it peps@python.org on 27 Aug of
    > this year.
    >
    > I promptly received an automated response from Barry Warsaw, saying, in
    > part,
    > "I get so much email that I can't promise a personal response." I
    > gathered that
    > he is a PEP editor. I did not infer from his reply that PEP's are simply
    > ignored, but
    > this automated reply was the only response I ever received. I subscribed
    > to the
    > Python-dev list, and watched, and waited; nothing on my concern appeared.
    >
    >
    > One response on the comp.lang.pytho n newsgroup noted that a popular
    > extention module would have difficulty maintaining consistency with my
    > proposed PEP. My proposal does not break how the extension currently
    > works, but still, that's a valid point. There are variations which do
    > not have
    > that problem, and I think I can see a course that will serve the entire
    > Python community. From what I can tell, We need to address fixing the
    > PEP process before there is any point in working on PEP's,
    >
    >
    >[/color]
    It would seem that your PEP has failed to grab the attention of the
    developers. Since August there have been quite a few PEP changes. What
    response are you expecting from the PEP editor?

    In this case I would suggest you might email Barry to see whether he has
    taken any action on the pre-PEP, or that a post to python-dev simply
    inquiring whether anyone has read the pre-PEP might be appropriate.

    In the absence of evidence to the contrary, treat this situation as
    accidental rather than deliberate. Two months is a long time to wait, so
    maybe you should have asked about this rather sooner. Volunteers don't
    always behave as perfect bureaucrats :-)

    regards
    Steve
    --
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    • Magnus Lycka

      #3
      Re: PEP submission broken?

      Steve Holden wrote:[color=blue]
      > Volunteers don't always behave as perfect bureaucrats :-)[/color]

      Neither do typical bureaucrats!

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