Python 3! Finally!

**Dan Sommers** · Sep 30 '05, 08:55 PM

Re: Python 3! Finally!

On Fri, 30 Sep 2005 20:50:06 +0200,
Stefan Behnel <stefan.behne l-n05pAM@web.de> wrote:
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> Hi!
> I just firefoxed to Python.org and clicked on the bz2 link at
> http://python.org/2.4.2/ and what did I get?[/color]
[color=blue]
> Python-3.4.2.tar.bz2 !![/color]
[color=blue]
> Python 3 - what we've all been waiting for, finally, it's there![/color]
[color=blue]
> Weird, though, the md5sum is the same as for the Python-2.4.2.tar.bz2 that I
> downloaded late (late!) yesterday evening and had forgotten in my download
> directory... just found it next to the new one... was still there, not
> overwritten...[/color]
[color=blue]
> Well, maybe the changes needed to merit a V3 weren't that big after all...[/color]

Or maybe the python development team is smart enough to write python 3
such that its bzipped tarball has the same size and the same MD5 sum as
the python 2.4.2 bzipped tarball.... ;-)

Regards,
Dan

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**Duncan Booth** · Oct 1 '05, 01:35 PM

Re: Python 3! Finally!

Stefan Behnel wrote:
[color=blue]
> Hi!
>
> I just firefoxed to Python.org and clicked on the bz2 link at
> http://python.org/2.4.2/ and what did I get?
>
> Python-3.4.2.tar.bz2 !!
>
> Python 3 - what we've all been waiting for, finally, it's there!
>
> Weird, though, the md5sum is the same as for the Python-2.4.2.tar.bz2
> that I downloaded late (late!) yesterday evening and had forgotten in
> my download directory... just found it next to the new one... was
> still there, not overwritten...
>
> Well, maybe the changes needed to merit a V3 weren't that big after
> all...
>[/color]
Did you download the file using Firefox? It seems to have a 'feature' that
when you download a file and there is already a file of the same name it
finds the first number in the filename and increments it.

e.g. I just downloaded TortoiseSVN-1.2.4.4479-svn-1.2.3.msi and then
immediately re-downloaded it and got TortoiseSVN-2.2.4.4479-svn-1.2.3.msi

**Tom Anderson** · Oct 2 '05, 12:15 AM

Re: Python 3! Finally!

On Fri, 30 Sep 2005, Stefan Behnel wrote:
[color=blue]
> I just firefoxed to Python.org and clicked on the bz2 link at
> http://python.org/2.4.2/ and what did I get?
>
> Python-3.4.2.tar.bz2 !!
>
> Python 3 - what we've all been waiting for, finally, it's there![/color]

Not only that, but they've skipped the tiresome 3.0.x early release
teething phase and gone straight to the mature, solid-as-a-rock middle
releases! God, i love python!

Hey, and it's still got lambdas! WE WON!!!

tom

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**Steve Bergman** · Oct 2 '05, 07:15 AM

Re: Python 3! Finally!

Duncan Booth wrote:
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>Did you download the file using Firefox? It seems to have a 'feature' that
>when you download a file and there is already a file of the same name it
>finds the first number in the filename and increments it.
>
>
>[/color]
Yes, isn't that fun? This has been a known problem with a bug filed for
well over a year. Perhaps closer to a year and a half. Not that the
bug has been simply ignored. It has been hashed and rehashed over and
over. Someone proposes a solution. Firefox devs come back and say that
the solution will not work in some corner case on Windows. Someone
proposes a solution. Firefox devs come back and say that it will
adversely affect some Linux users. Someone proposes a solution.
Firefox devs come back and say that certain MacOS users could experience
a problem with that. Someone proposes that in the case that there is a
filename collision, the user might simply be prompted to decide on a
filename. Firefox devs totally reject that idea (and rather
vehemently). You see, that would totally freak out the end user, and
that is *certainly* not a good solution.

So the interim solution, for over a year, has been to leave it broken
for everyone...

**Steven D'Aprano** · Oct 2 '05, 07:45 AM

Re: Python 3! Finally!

On Sun, 02 Oct 2005 02:06:26 -0500, Steve Bergman wrote:
[color=blue]
> Someone proposes that in the case that there is a
> filename collision, the user might simply be prompted to decide on a
> filename.[/color]

You mean like every single other GUI application that saves files does?
[color=blue]
> Firefox devs totally reject that idea (and rather
> vehemently). You see, that would totally freak out the end user,[/color]

You mean like they freak out when it happens with IE, Word, Excel,
Pagemaker, Quark Xpress, Photoshop, Gimp, OpenOffice, Access, Corel Draw,
Outlook, Opera, and Kwrite (to mention just a few)?
[color=blue]
> and that is *certainly* not a good solution.[/color]

Heaven's no, we can't be having with that sort of thing.
[color=blue]
> So the interim solution, for over a year, has been to leave it broken
> for everyone...[/color]

Because of course end users certainly won't be confused to save a file
called "Fred1" and find "Fred2" instead, oh no.

I'm surprised that they don't just add Yet Another Secret Option to
Firefox's preferences: FileCollision, with two possible values: "Do the
wrong thing" and "Ask the user".

After all, more preferences are always good, right?

--
Steven.

**Christos Georgiou** · Oct 4 '05, 08:35 AM

Re: Python 3! Finally!

On Fri, 30 Sep 2005 20:50:06 +0200, rumours say that Stefan Behnel
<stefan.behne l-n05pAM@web.de> might have written:
[color=blue]
>Weird, though, the md5sum is the same as for the Python-2.4.2.tar.bz2 that I
>downloaded late (late!) yesterday evening and had forgotten in my download
>directory... just found it next to the new one... was still there, not
>overwritten. ..
>
>Well, maybe the changes needed to merit a V3 weren't that big after all...[/color]

No, it's just proof that the MD5 checksum isn't reliable and we should
move forward to SHA checksums. Amazing coincidence. Let's xpost to
some security newsgroup.
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