Byte PHP framework

[dlite922]

I'd like to create a PHP framework based on the latest and newest PHP (5.3RC or 6.0 ) that is upcoming soon.

I mentioned this months ago, but now I have the time to persue it, Instead of making it "Dan's Framework", I'd like to make it 'Bytes PHP Framework' with the suggestions of you fine PHP experts.

My high-level goals are:

1. Under 10 Files and needs only PHP and MySQL
2. Targeted to those who want to get the basics out of the way and start coding the application logic from day one.
3. User manual will be under 10 pages (Including Examples), no special insight needed to learn to use it, or understand the code.
4. Any new person can learn it AND implement it within half an hour.
5. Completely whitebox (User can change the code without breaking anything)
6. Limited rules. Unlike CakePHP, ZendF, and others that outline pages upon pages of what methods are accessible, this framework will be so sleek, the entire API can be defined in one page.
7. MVC (of course) with Smarty templates
8. portable, fast, little overhead.
9. Not crowded with extra functionality (e.g. PDF converter, Multiple DB support MySQL only (but can be ported by user to other easily)).
10. Reliable, Secure, and Robust. ...and extremely LIGHT!!

Who's with me?

Tasks:

1. I need to get permission from bytes to use Bytes, otherwise find another name and open a sourceforge.net account for it.

2. Upload what I have so far for your review and feedback (it's 60% complete)

3. Have Fun!





Dan

[Markus]

I'm down. Sounds interesting. 10 files or less? That does sound interesting, if a little optimistic?

Are we talking a full framework such as CodeIgniter, or a compilation of libraries?

Go sourceforge :D

I'm on with a couple of projects at the moment, but I would love to help out.

[Dormilich]

you can count on me, but I insist on not limiting the manual (unless you have huuuge pages) – the more you document, the easier is troubleshooting .

[Markus]

Stuck.

To get it some more attention :)

[dlite922]

Sorry guys didn't have a chance to upload what I have so far. Not doing it now because the question of "where" popped in my head. Just attach it here? no.

Few things:

1. Do we have the OK to use bytes (identity) and hand over the source code to its community and the rest of the world?

2. First time launching an online group project, what tools do we need to keep track of a) code, b) Milestones/tasks and assignments, c) discussions/documents and other assets.... sourceforge.net provides all we need?

I've already submitted the project idea to sourceforge and is awaiting approval at the moment.

If sourceforge offers no code-versioning/management, I have a new-to-me HP server in my basement (HP 1U, P4 2.4Ghz 2G 40GB) that will be hosting my project sites. I can easily load SVN and use this to check the manual and codes in.

how does this sound?

[dlite922]

By the way, sourceforge.net project name is bytesphpfw

I'm going to work on explaining what I have so far to get you guys up to speed, and hopefully a start at some documentation but I have a confession to make: Writing technical documents is the least favorite thing for me to do and thus -- to be blunt -- suck at it. I would infinitely appreciate (and maybe compensate with online gift card) to anyone who loves writing and is good at it to take this challenge with help from rest of us of course.

PM me or reply here please



Thanks,



Dan

[Dormilich]

you should use SVN to keep track of changes.

[Markus]

I prefer GIT, but I don't mind which we use.

Sourceforge, if you go to the 'project features' area, has everything you need: bug tracker, forums, task assignments, etc. You may have to look under the second tab (I forget the name of the tab) to see the features that aren't already enabled.

If some of the things you don't understand, SVN, Git, etc., there are lots of good resources on sourceforge.

Also, we should probably all have gmail accounts for real-time group discussions.

I wouldn't mind documentating it (gift card not required, of course :).

Be in touch,
Mark.

PS. Thank god we're not supporting PHP4 :D

[Markus]

Regarding the use of Bytes in the name: I'll ask on of the admins about it. I don't see it being a problem, though. After all, we had the Bytes Desktop thing.

Also, the source code will be freely available anyway, if we're using SVN (or something like) on SF.net

[Dormilich]

Also, we should probably all have gmail accounts for real-time group discussions.

if there are participating more Mac users than me, we can consider using SubEthaEdit's Collaboration functions, too.

PS. Thank god we're not supporting PHP4 :D

yes, indeed

[Markus]

if there are participating more Mac users than me, we can consider using SubEthaEdit's Collaboration functions, too.



yes, indeed

NetBeans has a cool collab feature, too. I've not used it yet, but the manual says it *works*.

And no mac for me :(

[dlite922]

no mac either.

Markus, I'm confused at the sf.net interface, but I'll get use to it. I already use SVN at work and home so I'll no problem checking the code in as soon with that URL.

Dormilich, Thanks for taking on the docs. One of the goals is to have a short manual readers can go through in one sitting.

Do you guys have accounts on SF to add you to the project?

Also, I requested Mantis Bug Tracker, phpBB Forum and DotProject management "hosted apps".

Catch ya later,



Dan

[Dormilich]

Dormilich, Thanks for taking on the docs. One of the goals is to have a short manual readers can go through in one sitting.

so, one extensive for debugging and insight reading and one to get started…

Do you guys have accounts on SF to add you to the project?

the only thing close to that is my beanstalk account

do you have anything planned for mail sending?

[Markus]

My SF username: mahcuz

Yeah, the interface is pretty confusing at first, but you get used to it after a while.

[ak1dnar]

Thanks to markus for making this thread as a sticky. if not for sure I'll never find it. I'm really less active these days on Bytes. But hopefully I can find more time withing next couple of months. It's a pleasure to here about the framework and I'd like to put some inputs from my end too.

SF is great system to host the projects but I do recommend Google project hosting for this.
http://code.google.com/hosting/ its not because of SF is bad, but its only because may be I'm a google lover.

Anyway have a look on this comparison chart

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_free_software_hosting_facilities

Also I'd like join with you guys with the development if there is a space for me, but never ask me to write those documentations.

Good Luck with your project !!

EDIT!!
Also there is no other IDE like Netbeans