Need lightweight CMS-system

**Marko** · Jul 17 '05, 06:52 AM

Re: Need lightweight CMS-system

Hi,

I was looking for something similar for my purposes and couldn't find
anything extremely simple. It seems the CMSs try to be everything to
everyone. I kinda like phpwcms, it is pretty simple, it has a gui for
adding new articles, pictures I am yet to figure out, but it is possible.

Marko

Droolboy wrote:[color=blue]
> Hi.
>
> Due to the massive amount of choices in free php-based cms-systems, I
> thought I'd ask this group for help picking the right one.
>
> I don't need/want a fullblown portal tool. What i'm looking for is a
> system that makes it easy to create and publish newsitems, preferably
> with support for more than a single category, and easily embed the
> latest x in my own pages somehow.
>
>
> I'm thinking simple traversion of the latest news and functions for
> fetching/formatting the various fields (subject/ingres/message body)
> is just what i'm looking for here..?
>
> The hard part is user-friendly news creation/publishing. Picture
> upload, preferably more than one is a must, as well as reasonably
> easy-to-use text formatting.
> Some kind of wysiwyg-editor would be ideal, I think, unless they're
> very browser dependant..?
>
> Nice if the posting-interface is easily embedded in my own design as
> well, but not really critical, as that won't be accessible to end
> users anyway. It has to be simple, though, and no options showing
> except for the _create newsitem_ one.
>
> Thanks for any feedback,
> Bob[/color]

**Fred the man** · Jul 17 '05, 06:52 AM

Re: Need lightweight CMS-system

On Thu, 01 Jul 2004 09:18:34 -0400, Marko <m_bukovac@hotm ail.com>
wrote:[color=blue]
>I was looking for something similar for my purposes and couldn't find
>anything extremely simple. It seems the CMSs try to be everything to
>everyone. I kinda like phpwcms, it is pretty simple, it has a gui for
>adding new articles, pictures I am yet to figure out, but it is possible.[/color]

The crux of the problem is that virtually all CMS use the web browser
as the client, which, as we all know, is a very poor application to
generate content richer than just basic text.

At this point in time, the only tool I know that supports cooperative
work (ie. not a stand-alone app running on your host like CityDesk or
Cute Site Builder) and a fat client is... Lotus Notes. Sigh.

Fred.

**Leythos** · Jul 17 '05, 06:52 AM

Re: Need lightweight CMS-system

In article <7qb8e09knckns6 khf06v823kgrp2o h5dvk@4ax.com>, fred@acme.com
says...[color=blue]
>
> The crux of the problem is that virtually all CMS use the web browser
> as the client, which, as we all know, is a very poor application to
> generate content richer than just basic text.[/color]

Not true - you can make some very nice interfaces with a browser
interface. Many intranets have very nice, interactive, RICH, sites.

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**Ceg** · Jul 17 '05, 06:52 AM

Re: Need lightweight CMS-system

"Fred the man" <fred@acme.co m> wrote in message
news:7qb8e09knc kns6khf06v823kg rp2oh5dvk@4ax.c om...[color=blue]
> On Thu, 01 Jul 2004 09:18:34 -0400, Marko <m_bukovac@hotm ail.com>
> wrote:[color=green]
> >I was looking for something similar for my purposes and couldn't find
> >anything extremely simple. It seems the CMSs try to be everything to
> >everyone. I kinda like phpwcms, it is pretty simple, it has a gui for
> >adding new articles, pictures I am yet to figure out, but it is possible.[/color]
>
> The crux of the problem is that virtually all CMS use the web browser
> as the client, which, as we all know, is a very poor application to
> generate content richer than just basic text.
>
> At this point in time, the only tool I know that supports cooperative
> work (ie. not a stand-alone app running on your host like CityDesk or
> Cute Site Builder) and a fat client is... Lotus Notes. Sigh.[/color]

I just took a quick look at CityDesk and Cute Site Builder. What I gathered
is that these are both HTML compilers? Basically, they compile a website
into a HELP file? If that's what you're wanting to do, there are any number
of freewares that will compile websites. I don't really see the
point...unless your content won't be changing very often. What is it that
you're looking for? What features?

**Joshua Beall** · Jul 17 '05, 06:52 AM

Re: Need lightweight CMS-system

"Droolboy" <test174_8@hotm ail.com> wrote in message
news:36ae3a0c.0 407010023.e6d5d 39@posting.goog le.com...[color=blue]
> Hi.
>
> Due to the massive amount of choices in free php-based cms-systems, I
> thought I'd ask this group for help picking the right one.[/color]

I hear ya there.
[color=blue]
> I don't need/want a fullblown portal tool. What i'm looking for is a
> system that makes it easy to create and publish newsitems, preferably
> with support for more than a single category, and easily embed the
> latest x in my own pages somehow.[/color]

Well, I have not really every found anything that satisfied me, and I wound
up writing my own. It is actually very simple to write a "bare-bones" CMS
using include files. You might wind up having to do this, if you can't find
something that quite fits your needs.

One day I will put my own CMS online for people to play with. For right
now, though, it is just not quite documented enough, and I think it would
just frustrate people.

**Fred the man** · Jul 17 '05, 06:52 AM

Re: Need lightweight CMS-system

On Thu, 1 Jul 2004 11:28:29 -0500, "Ceg" <me@privacy.net > wrote:
[color=blue]
>I just took a quick look at CityDesk and Cute Site Builder. What I gathered
>is that these are both HTML compilers? Basically, they compile a website
>into a HELP file?[/color]

No, they generate static HTML files ready to be uploaded by FTP to
your www server.

I understand the OP was looking for a collaborative CMS that would
offer a richer interface than a web browser even with the addition of
HTMLArea. As of today, I only know of Lotus Notes/Domino. This is very
strange since it seems like we have all pieces : dedicated HTML
WYSIWYG editors, protocols like XMLRPC or SOAP, server-side programs.
It's beyond me why all those CMS's are still browser-based.

Fred.

**Ceg** · Jul 17 '05, 06:52 AM

Re: Need lightweight CMS-system

"Joshua Beall" <jbeall@donotsp am.remove.me.he raldic.us> wrote in message
news:%ZWEc.2279 6$x9.6519@nwrdd c01.gnilink.net ...[color=blue]
> "Droolboy" <test174_8@hotm ail.com> wrote in message
> news:36ae3a0c.0 407010023.e6d5d 39@posting.goog le.com...[color=green]
> > Hi.
> >
> > Due to the massive amount of choices in free php-based cms-systems, I
> > thought I'd ask this group for help picking the right one.[/color]
>
> I hear ya there.
>[color=green]
> > I don't need/want a fullblown portal tool. What i'm looking for is a
> > system that makes it easy to create and publish newsitems, preferably
> > with support for more than a single category, and easily embed the
> > latest x in my own pages somehow.[/color]
>
> Well, I have not really every found anything that satisfied me, and I[/color]
wound[color=blue]
> up writing my own. It is actually very simple to write a "bare-bones" CMS
> using include files. You might wind up having to do this, if you can't[/color]
find[color=blue]
> something that quite fits your needs.
>
> One day I will put my own CMS online for people to play with. For right
> now, though, it is just not quite documented enough, and I think it would
> just frustrate people.[/color]

I don't mean to get off on another topic, but I'd appreciate taking a look
at your CMS when you're ready for some testers.

**Geoff Berrow** · Jul 17 '05, 06:52 AM

Re: Need lightweight CMS-system

I noticed that Message-ID: <7qb8e09knckns6 khf06v823kgrp2o h5dvk@4ax.com>
from Fred the man contained the following:
[color=blue][color=green]
>>I was looking for something similar for my purposes and couldn't find
>>anything extremely simple. It seems the CMSs try to be everything to
>>everyone. I kinda like phpwcms, it is pretty simple, it has a gui for
>>adding new articles, pictures I am yet to figure out, but it is possible.[/color]
>
>The crux of the problem is that virtually all CMS use the web browser
>as the client, which, as we all know, is a very poor application to
>generate content richer than just basic text.[/color]

There's HTML Area which sits on top of a text area. Last time I looked
it was using deprecated tags (e.g. <font>), But if you are not fussy...

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**Fred the man** · Jul 17 '05, 06:52 AM

Re: Need lightweight CMS-system

On Thu, 01 Jul 2004 21:20:22 +0100, Geoff Berrow
<blthecat@ckdog .co.uk> wrote:[color=blue]
>There's HTML Area which sits on top of a text area. Last time I looked
>it was using deprecated tags (e.g. <font>), But if you are not fussy...[/color]

Right, but I just don't like typing long articles in a text area, even
if it's made WYSIWYG with eg. HTMLArea. For one thing, I'm a CTRL-S
freak, and considering how crash-prone web browsers are... ;-)

Fred.

**Mudge** · Jul 17 '05, 06:53 AM

Re: Need lightweight CMS-system

Joshua Beall wrote:
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> "Droolboy" <test174_8@hotm ail.com> wrote in message
> news:36ae3a0c.0 407010023.e6d5d 39@posting.goog le.com...[color=green]
>> Hi.
>>
>> Due to the massive amount of choices in free php-based cms-systems, I
>> thought I'd ask this group for help picking the right one.[/color]
>
> I hear ya there.
>[color=green]
>> I don't need/want a fullblown portal tool. What i'm looking for is a
>> system that makes it easy to create and publish newsitems, preferably
>> with support for more than a single category, and easily embed the
>> latest x in my own pages somehow.[/color]
>
> Well, I have not really every found anything that satisfied me, and I
> wound
> up writing my own. It is actually very simple to write a "bare-bones" CMS
> using include files. You might wind up having to do this, if you can't
> find something that quite fits your needs.
>
> One day I will put my own CMS online for people to play with. For right
> now, though, it is just not quite documented enough, and I think it would
> just frustrate people.[/color]

I'm interesting in building my own CMS, but I don't know the best way to go
about it. Yes, using include files, but what else? Should it be object
oriented? Can you give a description on how to best go about it?

**Droolboy** · Jul 17 '05, 06:53 AM

Re: Need lightweight CMS-system

Mudge <mark1822@hotma il.com> wrote in message news:<e72Fc.964 6$wY5.4460@attb i_s54>...[color=blue]
> I'm interesting in building my own CMS, but I don't know the best way to go
> about it. Yes, using include files, but what else? Should it be object
> oriented? Can you give a description on how to best go about it?[/color]

Started writing my own here. Have three classes doing actual work
right now; A news-index, for enumerating the appropriate messages, a
newsitem class, which is pretty much just a data holder, and finally a
class that load NewsIndex/NewsItem instances from the db.

Then there's the administration module, which is currently a huge
mess.. Lets you create new articles and edit/delete exising ones.
Going to add a field to my db for telling whether articles are to be
published as well, or are just work in progress.

Will have to rewrite it with focus on mvc - currently all pages handle
their own input, then redirect to the page supposed to show the
contents (i.e. edit (submit)-> edit (store object in session+meta
refresh)-> preview), which is rather messy.. ;)
I'm all new to php, and not really sure what's the best way to go
about it here, but i've made decent controllers on projects using
servlets/jsp.

Also think I'll add some kind of rich text editor, be it some
js-editor like Kevin Roth's excellent one, interactivetool s' htmlArea,
or possibly a Java version of some sort, but requirements are kindof
floating here.. ;)

**zzapper** · Jul 17 '05, 06:53 AM

Re: Need lightweight CMS-system

test174_8@hotma il.com (Droolboy) wrote in message news:<36ae3a0c. 0407010023.e6d5 d39@posting.goo gle.com>...[color=blue]
> Hi.
>
> Due to the massive amount of choices in free php-based cms-systems, I
> thought I'd ask this group for help picking the right one.
>
> I don't need/want a fullblown portal tool. What i'm looking for is a
> system that makes it easy to create and publish newsitems, preferably
> with support for more than a single category, and easily embed the
> latest x in my own pages somehow.
>[/color]
I was going to post my own thread but yours is on the same theme. I've
looked at EZContents phpwebsite and typo3. The problem with all CMS's
is that they can be very difficult to drive. I'd like one that had an
advanced interface for me as webdesigner, and a simple interface for
the client. Sorry haven't gone to any depth on any of the above three.
EZContents seems to be the simplest, I just have a fear that it turns
out with time to be too simple. Probably going to follow up typo3.
Very hard to get Definitive advice on best CMS!!!!

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**Nikolai Chuvakhin** · Jul 17 '05, 06:53 AM

Re: Need lightweight CMS-system

test174_8@hotma il.com (Droolboy) wrote
in message news:<36ae3a0c. 0407010023.e6d5 d39@posting.goo gle.com>...[color=blue]
>
> Due to the massive amount of choices in free php-based cms-systems, I
> thought I'd ask this group for help picking the right one.[/color]

I guess you need to be prepared for a massive amount of responses
then... :)
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> I don't need/want a fullblown portal tool. What i'm looking for is a
> system that makes it easy to create and publish newsitems, preferably
> with support for more than a single category, and easily embed the
> latest x in my own pages somehow.[/color]

Then you probably need a Weblog-type application. My personal
favorite in that area is PluggedOut Blog by Jonathan Beckett:

http://www.pluggedout.com/blog/

It may require a few modifications to meet all of your requirements,
but the codebase is fairly small (under 100 kb), which makes it
fairly easy to figure out and modify.

Cheers,
NC

**Tim Tyler** · Jul 17 '05, 07:06 AM

Re: Need lightweight CMS-system

Fred the man <fred@acme.co m> wrote or quoted:
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> I understand the OP was looking for a collaborative CMS that would
> offer a richer interface than a web browser even with the addition of
> HTMLArea. As of today, I only know of Lotus Notes/Domino. [...]
>
> This is very strange since it seems like we have all pieces : dedicated
> HTML WYSIWYG editors, protocols like XMLRPC or SOAP, server-side programs.
> It's beyond me why all those CMS's are still browser-based.[/color]

Web browsers are what the clients have.

The pieces for something better are lying around - but they are not
distributed to user's desktops.

The nearest thing to having wide distribution is (probably) Java -
and even that is often stuck at an early version in a number of
clients.

Java would be capable of providing superior client-side applications -
in prinicple.
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