Password encryption: md5() vs. crypt()

[Ryan Lange]

I've seen md5() suggested a lot when it comes to password encryption, but
I'm wondering what the advantage is over using crypt(). Or is it just
personal preference?

- Ryan

[Nikolai Chuvakhin]

Re: Password encryption: md5() vs. crypt()

"Ryan Lange" <cl1mh4224rd@co mcast.net> wrote
in message <opr8ue6gxat7s8 97@www.cl1mh422 4rd.com>:[color=blue]
>
> I've seen md5() suggested a lot when it comes to password
> encryption,[/color]

No, you didn't. MD5 is not an encryption algorithm, it is a
hashing algorithm. Data processed by MD5 cannot be "decrypted" ,
unless some brute force approach is used.

Cheers,
NC

[J.O. Aho]

Re: Password encryption: md5() vs. crypt()

Ryan Lange wrote:[color=blue]
> I've seen md5() suggested a lot when it comes to password
> encryption, but I'm wondering what the advantage is over using crypt().
> Or is it just personal preference?[/color]

As Nikolai says, md5 isn't a crypt but a hash algorythm.
crypt() works in the same way as md5(), one way algorythms (hash), while md5()
does only support md5-algorythm crypt() does support DES, MD5 and Blowfish (of
course depending on the system PHP is built on).

The disadvantige to use crypt(), is that the system you are developint the PHP
scripts on my support DES while the machine which you later on run the scripts
on may not support DES and then your scripts won't work properly. Otherwise
the two functions are quite the same.


//Aho

[Philipp Kern]

Re: Password encryption: md5() vs. crypt()

I answer this on comp.lang.php only.

On 2004-05-31, Ryan Lange <cl1mh4224rd@co mcast.net> wrote:[color=blue]
> I've seen md5() suggested a lot when it comes to password encryption, but
> I'm wondering what the advantage is over using crypt(). Or is it just
> personal preference?[/color]

md5() could encrypt password of an finite length, crypt() only up to 8 chars if
I remember correctly.

Bye,
phil
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[Ryan Lange]

Re: Password encryption: md5() vs. crypt()

On 31 May 2004 02:04:38 -0700, Nikolai Chuvakhin <nc@iname.com > wrote:
[color=blue]
> No, you didn't. MD5 is not an encryption algorithm, it is a
> hashing algorithm.[/color]

Damnit. You know what I mean... :P

- Ryan

[Philipp Kern]

Re: Password encryption: md5() vs. crypt()

I answer this on comp.lang.php only.

On 2004-05-31, Ryan Lange <cl1mh4224rd@co mcast.net> wrote:[color=blue]
> I've seen md5() suggested a lot when it comes to password encryption, but
> I'm wondering what the advantage is over using crypt(). Or is it just
> personal preference?[/color]

md5() could hash passwords of an finite length, crypt() only up to 8 chars if
I remember correctly.

Bye,
phil
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[Nikolai Chuvakhin]

Re: Password encryption: md5() vs. crypt()

"Ryan Lange" <cl1mh4224rd@co mcast.net> wrote
in message news:<opr8vbmkb 0t7s897@www.cl1 mh4224rd.com>.. .[color=blue]
> On 31 May 2004 02:04:38 -0700, Nikolai Chuvakhin <nc@iname.com > wrote:
>[color=green]
> > MD5 is not an encryption algorithm, it is a hashing algorithm.[/color]
>
> Damnit. You know what I mean... :P[/color]

Then you know the answer to your question, too; storing passwords
as MD5 hashes ensures that if they are stolen by individuals who
have acess to password storage, be they hackers or rogue system
administrators, those individuals cannot use them. Compare with
encryption, where rogue sysadmins can run unchecked...

Cheers,
NC

[Philipp Kern]

Re: Password encryption: md5() vs. crypt()

On 2004-06-01, Nikolai Chuvakhin <nc@iname.com > wrote:[color=blue]
> Then you know the answer to your question, too; storing passwords
> as MD5 hashes ensures that if they are stolen by individuals who
> have acess to password storage, be they hackers or rogue system
> administrators, those individuals cannot use them.[/color]

But they could still crack them. The advantage of crypt() is then
that the password could be longer than passwords crypted with the
standard DES algorithm in UNIX password files.
crypt() is quite easy to crack, especially when the same salts
are used everywhere. Just a matter of time and the power of the
machine the attacker uses.

Bye,
phil
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[Philipp Kern]

Re: Password encryption: md5() vs. crypt()

On 2004-06-01, Nikolai Chuvakhin <nc@iname.com > wrote:[color=blue]
> Then you know the answer to your question, too; storing passwords
> as MD5 hashes ensures that if they are stolen by individuals who
> have acess to password storage, be they hackers or rogue system
> administrators, those individuals cannot use them.[/color]

But they could still crack them. The advantage of crypt() is then
that the password could be longer than passwords crypted with the
standard DES algorithm in UNIX password files.
crypt() is quite easy to crack, especially when the same salts
are used everywhere. Just a matter of time and the power of the
machine the attacker uses.

Bye,
phil
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