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  • Tim Roberts

    #16
    Re: c-sharp

    Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attg lobal.netwrote:
    >
    >>php is superior for small web applications,
    >>
    >...in your opinion.
    >
    >And mine and a few hundred others here on this newsgroup. Versus one
    >opinion to the contrary - yours.
    I never said that my opinion was to the contrary. I was merely attempting
    to point out that he was stating as fact something that was, instead,
    merely opinion. There is no doubt in my mind that the folks who
    participate in this newsgroup would share his opinion. That's fine. It's
    still an opinion.

    In fact, I tend to reach for Python for small web applications.

    I also don't understand why you turned hostile.
    >>java is uperior for large web applications.
    >>
    >...in your opinion. I would disagree.
    >
    >Sorry, I agree here, also.
    That's fine, you're welcome to do so. That still doesn't make it fact.
    >There are a lot more C, C++, Java and even PHP programmers in the world
    >than there are C# programmers.
    Maybe, although I admit I couldn't find any real numbers in a few minutes
    of web searching. C# is certainly alive and well in the corporate Intranet
    world.
    >Maybe the "demand" you see is because no
    >one programs in it - and only those with the same blind view as you ask
    >for it. Those of us who have been programming for a long time in
    >several languages know better.
    "Blind view"? What are you talking about? Maybe I was asking for it by
    presenting a defense of C# in a PHP newsgroup, but the fact is that the
    successful programmer keeps a wide variety of tools in his toolbox. PHP
    and Java belong in that toolbox, as does C#.
    >And for the record - I've been programming for around 40 years now.
    >I've written code in more languages than you would ever dream -
    >including C# - and many you've never heard of.
    I'm not sure why this exchange had to turn into a resume contest. I've
    only been programming for 35 years, but I'll bet our lists of languages are
    equally long.
    >And yes, C# is a great language - for Microsoft bigots and idiots who
    >don't know any better. Which are you?
    Apparently, a bit more open-minded than you. I don't actually use C# (as a
    driver writer, my world is mostly assembler, C, and C++), but one would
    have to be an idiot to pretend that it does not exist.

    Anders Hejlsberg is no idiot. Many of the design concepts in C# are quite
    intelligent. Perhaps its major shortcoming is that it came from Microsoft,
    because the shrill, religious, anti-Microsoft rhetoric that inevitably
    accompanies anything that comes from Redmond drowns out whatever good there
    might be.
    --
    Tim Roberts, timr@probo.com
    Providenza & Boekelheide, Inc.

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    • Jerry Stuckle

      #17
      Re: c-sharp

      Tim Roberts wrote:
      Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attg lobal.netwrote:
      >>>php is superior for small web applications,
      >>...in your opinion.
      >And mine and a few hundred others here on this newsgroup. Versus one
      >opinion to the contrary - yours.
      >
      I never said that my opinion was to the contrary. I was merely attempting
      to point out that he was stating as fact something that was, instead,
      merely opinion. There is no doubt in my mind that the folks who
      participate in this newsgroup would share his opinion. That's fine. It's
      still an opinion.
      >
      No, you didn't actually SAY it was your opinion - but your comment
      intimated it.
      In fact, I tend to reach for Python for small web applications.
      >
      I also don't understand why you turned hostile.
      >
      >>>java is uperior for large web applications.
      >>...in your opinion. I would disagree.
      >Sorry, I agree here, also.
      >
      That's fine, you're welcome to do so. That still doesn't make it fact.
      >
      And neither does your blather.
      >There are a lot more C, C++, Java and even PHP programmers in the world
      >than there are C# programmers.
      >
      Maybe, although I admit I couldn't find any real numbers in a few minutes
      of web searching. C# is certainly alive and well in the corporate Intranet
      world.
      >
      Maybe you should spend a little more time before you open your yap like
      this.
      >Maybe the "demand" you see is because no
      >one programs in it - and only those with the same blind view as you ask
      >for it. Those of us who have been programming for a long time in
      >several languages know better.
      >
      "Blind view"? What are you talking about? Maybe I was asking for it by
      presenting a defense of C# in a PHP newsgroup, but the fact is that the
      successful programmer keeps a wide variety of tools in his toolbox. PHP
      and Java belong in that toolbox, as does C#.
      >
      You were asking for it because you're either a microsoftie or someone
      who like to foment arguments. Either way you're stoopid.
      >And for the record - I've been programming for around 40 years now.
      >I've written code in more languages than you would ever dream -
      >including C# - and many you've never heard of.
      >
      I'm not sure why this exchange had to turn into a resume contest. I've
      only been programming for 35 years, but I'll bet our lists of languages are
      equally long.
      >
      So you claim. Your comments don't reflect anywhere near 35 years of
      experience.
      >And yes, C# is a great language - for Microsoft bigots and idiots who
      >don't know any better. Which are you?
      >
      Apparently, a bit more open-minded than you. I don't actually use C# (as a
      driver writer, my world is mostly assembler, C, and C++), but one would
      have to be an idiot to pretend that it does not exist.
      >
      I didn't say it doesn't exist. I said it isn't worth using. Not even
      Microsoft uses it. What does that tell you?
      Anders Hejlsberg is no idiot. Many of the design concepts in C# are quite
      intelligent. Perhaps its major shortcoming is that it came from Microsoft,
      because the shrill, religious, anti-Microsoft rhetoric that inevitably
      accompanies anything that comes from Redmond drowns out whatever good there
      might be.
      I don't know him, so I can't say.

      And no, it's major shortcoming is not that it's from Microsoft. It's
      the fact it's a proprietary language which has no real support on other
      platforms. Yes, I know there are some open source projects out there
      which are attempting to port it to other platforms. But as soon as one
      of them gets successful enough to start costing Microsoft some money,
      MS's lawyers will be all over every one of those programmers.

      And BTW - yes, I've used it before. I find a lot of other languages
      better. And I'm not going to start listing the number of things I find
      wrong with it here. It's off-topic and I don't have three days to type
      it all in.

      I can think of any number of languages which are better.

      --
      =============== ===
      Remove the "x" from my email address
      Jerry Stuckle
      JDS Computer Training Corp.
      jstucklex@attgl obal.net
      =============== ===

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      • Rik

        #18
        Re: c-sharp

        Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attg lobal.netwrote:
        It's off-topic
        Which is actually the main irritation :P

        --
        Rik Wasmus
        Posted on Usenet, not any forum you might see this in.
        Ask Smart Questions: http://tinyurl.com/anel

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        • Rik

          #19
          Re: c-sharp

          Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attg lobal.netwrote:
          And yes, C# is a great language - for Microsoft bigots and idiots who
          don't know any better. Which are you?
          [terribly lame]
          Jerry has learned to stay away from sharp objects the hard way
          [/terrribly lame]
          --
          Rik Wasmus
          Posted on Usenet, not any forum you might see this in.
          Ask Smart Questions: http://tinyurl.com/anel

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          • windandwaves

            #20
            Re: c-sharp

            On Mar 11, 8:35 pm, Rik <luiheidsgoe... @hotmail.comwro te:
            Jerry Stuckle <jstuck...@attg lobal.netwrote:
            And yes, C# is a great language - for Microsoft bigots and idiots who
            don't know any better. Which are you?
            >
            [terribly lame]
            Jerry has learned to stay away from sharp objects the hard way
            [/terrribly lame]
            --
            Rik Wasmus
            Posted on Usenet, not any forum you might see this in.
            Ask Smart Questions:http://tinyurl.com/anel
            So ...

            I only know PHP and VB right now. What do you recommend I learn next
            and how shall I go about it? I would love to learn Java or something
            really valuable so that I can earn some more money. Do you have any
            recommendations ?

            Ta

            Nicolaas

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            • Jerry Stuckle

              #21
              Re: c-sharp

              windandwaves wrote:
              On Mar 11, 8:35 pm, Rik <luiheidsgoe... @hotmail.comwro te:
              >Jerry Stuckle <jstuck...@attg lobal.netwrote:
              >>And yes, C# is a great language - for Microsoft bigots and idiots who
              >>don't know any better. Which are you?
              >[terribly lame]
              >Jerry has learned to stay away from sharp objects the hard way
              >[/terrribly lame]
              >--
              >Rik Wasmus
              >Posted on Usenet, not any forum you might see this in.
              >Ask Smart Questions:http://tinyurl.com/anel
              >
              So ...
              >
              I only know PHP and VB right now. What do you recommend I learn next
              and how shall I go about it? I would love to learn Java or something
              really valuable so that I can earn some more money. Do you have any
              recommendations ?
              >
              Ta
              >
              Nicolaas
              >
              Nicolaas,

              You can make decent money in any language if you're good enough at it
              and market yourself properly.

              --
              =============== ===
              Remove the "x" from my email address
              Jerry Stuckle
              JDS Computer Training Corp.
              jstucklex@attgl obal.net
              =============== ===

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