Joomla newsgroup

[Osiris]

time for a Joomla newsgroup !
support the initiative on news.groups and nl.newsgroups.

search there with keyword "joomla" and give your opinion, with solid
arguments.

[Peter Boosten]

Re: Joomla newsgroup

Osiris <nono@hotmail.c omwrote:

time for a Joomla newsgroup !
support the initiative on news.groups and nl.newsgroups.
>
search there with keyword "joomla" and give your opinion, with solid
arguments.

What's wrong with their forum?

http://forum.joomla.org/

Peter

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Mail: peter at boosten dot org

[Osiris]

Re: Joomla newsgroup

On Tue, 12 Dec 2006 12:38:41 +0000 (UTC), nobody@nowhere. invalid
(Peter Boosten) wrote:

>Osiris <nono@hotmail.c omwrote:

>time for a Joomla newsgroup !
>support the initiative on news.groups and nl.newsgroups.
>>
>search there with keyword "joomla" and give your opinion, with solid
>arguments.

>
>What's wrong with their forum?
>
>http://forum.joomla.org/
>
>Peter

nothing.

What's wrong with a VW Golf ?
Nothing.
but we need a bus too...

(btw: I just spent 15 minutes to get into that forum: register,
receive emty confirmation e-mail, password too short etc. etc...
a WV Golf is not a BMW....;-)

[Peter Boosten]

Re: Joomla newsgroup

Osiris <nono@hotmail.c omwrote:

On Tue, 12 Dec 2006 12:38:41 +0000 (UTC), nobody@nowhere. invalid
(Peter Boosten) wrote:
>
nothing.
>
What's wrong with a VW Golf ?
Nothing.
but we need a bus too...
>

Why?
The extra problem you're creating is that information on one subject
is scattered even further, making searches for that information harder
and harder.

So now you know my argument, how about yours?

Peter

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Mail: peter at boosten dot org

[Jerry Stuckle]

Re: Joomla newsgroup

Peter Boosten wrote:

Osiris <nono@hotmail.c omwrote:
>

>>time for a Joomla newsgroup !
>>support the initiative on news.groups and nl.newsgroups.
>>
>>search there with keyword "joomla" and give your opinion, with solid
>>arguments.

>
>
What's wrong with their forum?
>

http://forum.joomla.org/

>
Peter
>

Absolutely nothing. It does a great job supporting the product. And I
doubt many of the Joomla community would switch. A newsgroup would be
DOA before it even got off the ground.

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[Jim Logajan]

Re: Joomla newsgroup

nobody@nowhere. invalid (Peter Boosten) wrote:

Osiris <nono@hotmail.c omwrote:

>time for a Joomla newsgroup !
>support the initiative on news.groups and nl.newsgroups.
>>
>search there with keyword "joomla" and give your opinion, with solid
>arguments.

>
What's wrong with their forum?
>
http://forum.joomla.org/

It appears to be the rough equivalent of a moderated Usenet forum, since
the owner/operator of the web forum can edit posts, remove posts, or
blacklist posters.

An unmoderated Usenet forum would be operating with a different set of
ground rules that provides almost no centralized editorial control of
content.

The two types of forums would therefore appear to have some complementary
aspects (assuming the Usenet group is kept unmoderated) and some
competitive aspects. E.g: Usenet group too "noisy" - go to the Joomla.org
forum; Joomla.org forum too restrictive - go to the Usenet newsgroup.

[Osiris]

Re: Joomla newsgroup

On Tue, 12 Dec 2006 22:34:01 -0000, Jim Logajan <JamesL@Lugoj.c om>
wrote:

>nobody@nowhere .invalid (Peter Boosten) wrote:

>Osiris <nono@hotmail.c omwrote:

>>time for a Joomla newsgroup !
>>support the initiative on news.groups and nl.newsgroups.
>>>
>>search there with keyword "joomla" and give your opinion, with solid
>>arguments.

>>
>What's wrong with their forum?
>>
>http://forum.joomla.org/

>
>It appears to be the rough equivalent of a moderated Usenet forum, since
>the owner/operator of the web forum can edit posts, remove posts, or
>blacklist posters.
>
>An unmoderated Usenet forum would be operating with a different set of
>ground rules that provides almost no centralized editorial control of
>content.
>
>The two types of forums would therefore appear to have some complementary
>aspects (assuming the Usenet group is kept unmoderated) and some
>competitive aspects. E.g: Usenet group too "noisy" - go to the Joomla.org
>forum; Joomla.org forum too restrictive - go to the Usenet newsgroup.

Of course, the choice between the two solutions is a false dilemma.
The situation is not one of XOR, but of AND, for the programmers
amongst us.

A feature of a forum is, e.g. that it can be extremely difficult to
get in: yesterday I spent about 15 minutes to get into joomla.org
forum. Really ! and I'm no novice on the WWW !
The sea of id's and passwords I have for all the forums I have been
to, you would not believe. I regularly forget one... nuisance, and the
veru faint smell of elitism...

Probably a forum is good for a smaller group of developers, but the
regular user, encountering a problem, wants the speed and prliferation
of Usenet.
I think Usenet can contribute significantly in the spreading of the
Word, by just being there and being easy to find.

Also the centralization of the diiscussions on Usenet, versus the
miriad of Joomla forums (every Tom, Dick and Harry....), would be
beneficial.

[Jerry Stuckle]

Re: Joomla newsgroup

Osiris wrote:

On Tue, 12 Dec 2006 22:34:01 -0000, Jim Logajan <JamesL@Lugoj.c om>
wrote:
>
>

>>nobody@nowher e.invalid (Peter Boosten) wrote:
>>

>>>Osiris <nono@hotmail.c omwrote:
>>>
>>>>time for a Joomla newsgroup !
>>>>support the initiative on news.groups and nl.newsgroups.
>>>>
>>>>search there with keyword "joomla" and give your opinion, with solid
>>>>arguments .
>>>
>>>What's wrong with their forum?
>>>
>>>http://forum.joomla.org/

>>
>>It appears to be the rough equivalent of a moderated Usenet forum, since
>>the owner/operator of the web forum can edit posts, remove posts, or
>>blacklist posters.
>>
>>An unmoderated Usenet forum would be operating with a different set of
>>ground rules that provides almost no centralized editorial control of
>>content.
>>
>>The two types of forums would therefore appear to have some complementary
>>aspects (assuming the Usenet group is kept unmoderated) and some
>>competitive aspects. E.g: Usenet group too "noisy" - go to the Joomla.org
>>forum; Joomla.org forum too restrictive - go to the Usenet newsgroup.

>
>
Of course, the choice between the two solutions is a false dilemma.
The situation is not one of XOR, but of AND, for the programmers
amongst us.
>
A feature of a forum is, e.g. that it can be extremely difficult to
get in: yesterday I spent about 15 minutes to get into joomla.org
forum. Really ! and I'm no novice on the WWW !
The sea of id's and passwords I have for all the forums I have been
to, you would not believe. I regularly forget one... nuisance, and the
veru faint smell of elitism...
>
Probably a forum is good for a smaller group of developers, but the
regular user, encountering a problem, wants the speed and prliferation
of Usenet.
I think Usenet can contribute significantly in the spreading of the
Word, by just being there and being easy to find.
>
Also the centralization of the diiscussions on Usenet, versus the
miriad of Joomla forums (every Tom, Dick and Harry....), would be
beneficial.
>

What took you so long? I can sign up for their forum in under 5 minutes
- less than three minutes if I don't count the time waiting for the
authorization email.

And yes, it is a case of either/or. People are not going to post the
same information to both the forum and usenet. They'll post it to the
forum and that's all.

But this is the wrong place to try to drum up support, anyway. You
should be trying to get it on the Joomla forums. But I see you've done
that - with, so far, a distinct lack of interest from the Joomla community.

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[Moot]

Re: Joomla newsgroup

Osiris wrote:

Probably a forum is good for a smaller group of developers, but the
regular user, encountering a problem, wants the speed and prliferation
of Usenet.

I would actually argue that the "regular" joomla user probably doesn't
have a clue what Usenet is or how to get to it. Most people who use a
package like Joomla just want a quick and easy way to make a website
with a lot of nifty features. For people like them, a forum is perfect
because it's what they're used to (and you can make sticky topics for
the most common questions). It would actually be the more serious
developers writing new modules or adapting Joomla code to a specific
purpose who would be more apt to use Usenet, and for them, a simple
'developer' section of the forum would serve just as well.

I think Usenet can contribute significantly in the spreading of the
Word, by just being there and being easy to find.

Do you regularly poke around looking for new usenet groups? I know I
don't. How would it be easier to find? What could be more intuitive
than: "I need help with XXX for Joomla. I know, I'll check the
website. Oh look, there's a support section with a forum!"

[Osiris]

Re: Joomla newsgroup

On Wed, 13 Dec 2006 07:21:33 -0500, Jerry Stuckle
<jstucklex@attg lobal.netwrote:

>Osiris wrote:

>On Tue, 12 Dec 2006 22:34:01 -0000, Jim Logajan <JamesL@Lugoj.c om>
>wrote:
>>
>>

>>>nobody@nowhe re.invalid (Peter Boosten) wrote:
>>>
>>>>Osiris <nono@hotmail.c omwrote:
>>>>
>>>>>time for a Joomla newsgroup !
>>>>>support the initiative on news.groups and nl.newsgroups.
>>>>>
>>>>>search there with keyword "joomla" and give your opinion, with solid
>>>>>argument s.
>>>>
>>>>What's wrong with their forum?
>>>>
>>>>http://forum.joomla.org/
>>>
>>>It appears to be the rough equivalent of a moderated Usenet forum, since
>>>the owner/operator of the web forum can edit posts, remove posts, or
>>>blacklist posters.
>>>
>>>An unmoderated Usenet forum would be operating with a different set of
>>>ground rules that provides almost no centralized editorial control of
>>>content.
>>>
>>>The two types of forums would therefore appear to have some complementary
>>>aspects (assuming the Usenet group is kept unmoderated) and some
>>>competitiv e aspects. E.g: Usenet group too "noisy" - go to the Joomla.org
>>>forum; Joomla.org forum too restrictive - go to the Usenet newsgroup.

>>
>>
>Of course, the choice between the two solutions is a false dilemma.
>The situation is not one of XOR, but of AND, for the programmers
>amongst us.
>>
>A feature of a forum is, e.g. that it can be extremely difficult to
>get in: yesterday I spent about 15 minutes to get into joomla.org
>forum. Really ! and I'm no novice on the WWW !
>The sea of id's and passwords I have for all the forums I have been
>to, you would not believe. I regularly forget one... nuisance, and the
>veru faint smell of elitism...
>>
>Probably a forum is good for a smaller group of developers, but the
>regular user, encountering a problem, wants the speed and prliferation
>of Usenet.
>I think Usenet can contribute significantly in the spreading of the
>Word, by just being there and being easy to find.
>>
>Also the centralization of the diiscussions on Usenet, versus the
>miriad of Joomla forums (every Tom, Dick and Harry....), would be
>beneficial.
>>

>
>What took you so long? I can sign up for their forum in under 5 minutes
>- less than three minutes if I don't count the time waiting for the
>authorizatio n email.

I can get on to a usenet group in under 30 seconds.... No return
e-mails, no passwords, no hassle...
Not every Tom, Dick and Harry putting a forum up... centralized..

>
>And yes, it is a case of either/or. People are not going to post the
>same information to both the forum and usenet. They'll post it to the
>forum and that's all.

Ummmmm, that is an XOR after all ....

>
>But this is the wrong place to try to drum up support, anyway. You
>should be trying to get it on the Joomla forums. But I see you've done
>that - with, so far, a distinct lack of interest from the Joomla community.

mmm, does that sound a teeny little bit hostile ?
You're a forum operator ?

[Osiris]

Re: Joomla newsgroup

On 13 Dec 2006 05:13:31 -0800, "Moot"
<mootmail-googlegroups@ya hoo.comwrote:

>Osiris wrote:

>Probably a forum is good for a smaller group of developers, but the
>regular user, encountering a problem, wants the speed and prliferation
>of Usenet.

>
>I would actually argue that the "regular" joomla user probably doesn't
>have a clue what Usenet is or how to get to it. Most people who use a
>package like Joomla just want a quick and easy way to make a website
>with a lot of nifty features. For people like them, a forum is perfect
>because it's what they're used to (and you can make sticky topics for
>the most common questions). It would actually be the more serious
>developers writing new modules or adapting Joomla code to a specific
>purpose who would be more apt to use Usenet, and for them, a simple
>'developer' section of the forum would serve just as well.
>

>I think Usenet can contribute significantly in the spreading of the
>Word, by just being there and being easy to find.

>
>Do you regularly poke around looking for new usenet groups? I know I

as a developer I indeed regularly do. I go there to find out what a
plant is I saw on my hikes, I go there for.... you name it.
For me it is a central place to question...

>don't. How would it be easier to find? What could be more intuitive
>than: "I need help with XXX for Joomla. I know, I'll check the
>website. Oh look, there's a support section with a forum!"

You first have to find the web site. I know I find the usenet groups A
LOT FASTER than on the www.
First you google, with what keyword ? then a zillion hits appear on
the screen, youhave to guess which site would be the right wone. Hope
there is a forum. then you have to register, and the confirmation
e-mail does not appear, of 10 minutes later.

Or:

Start Agent, click to the search function, type Joomla. Only one hit.
Put the group up and load the messages. voila.

[tehllama@hotmail.co.uk]

Re: Joomla newsgroup

On Thu, 14 Dec 2006 00:08:04 +0100, Osiris <nono@hotmail.c omwrote:

>On 13 Dec 2006 05:13:31 -0800, "Moot"
><mootmail-googlegroups@ya hoo.comwrote:
>

>>Osiris wrote:

>>Probably a forum is good for a smaller group of developers, but the
>>regular user, encountering a problem, wants the speed and prliferation
>>of Usenet.

>>
>>I would actually argue that the "regular" joomla user probably doesn't
>>have a clue what Usenet is or how to get to it. Most people who use a
>>package like Joomla just want a quick and easy way to make a website
>>with a lot of nifty features. For people like them, a forum is perfect
>>because it's what they're used to (and you can make sticky topics for
>>the most common questions). It would actually be the more serious
>>developers writing new modules or adapting Joomla code to a specific
>>purpose who would be more apt to use Usenet, and for them, a simple
>>'developer' section of the forum would serve just as well.
>>

>>I think Usenet can contribute significantly in the spreading of the
>>Word, by just being there and being easy to find.

>>
>>Do you regularly poke around looking for new usenet groups? I know I

>
>as a developer I indeed regularly do. I go there to find out what a
>plant is I saw on my hikes, I go there for.... you name it.
>For me it is a central place to question...
>
>

>>don't. How would it be easier to find? What could be more intuitive
>>than: "I need help with XXX for Joomla. I know, I'll check the
>>website. Oh look, there's a support section with a forum!"

>
>You first have to find the web site. I know I find the usenet groups A
>LOT FASTER than on the www.
>First you google, with what keyword ? then a zillion hits appear on
>the screen, youhave to guess which site would be the right wone. Hope
>there is a forum. then you have to register, and the confirmation
>e-mail does not appear, of 10 minutes later.
>
>Or:
>
>Start Agent, click to the search function, type Joomla. Only one hit.
>Put the group up and load the messages. voila.

You're working hard, son, you're working hard - but I think you're on
a loser there.

[Jerry Stuckle]

Re: Joomla newsgroup

Osiris wrote:

On Wed, 13 Dec 2006 07:21:33 -0500, Jerry Stuckle
<jstucklex@attg lobal.netwrote:
>
>

>>Osiris wrote:
>>

>>>On Tue, 12 Dec 2006 22:34:01 -0000, Jim Logajan <JamesL@Lugoj.c om>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>nobody@nowh ere.invalid (Peter Boosten) wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Osiris <nono@hotmail.c omwrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>time for a Joomla newsgroup !
>>>>>>support the initiative on news.groups and nl.newsgroups.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>search there with keyword "joomla" and give your opinion, with solid
>>>>>>arguments .
>>>>>
>>>>>What's wrong with their forum?
>>>>>
>>>>>http://forum.joomla.org/
>>>>
>>>>It appears to be the rough equivalent of a moderated Usenet forum, since
>>>>the owner/operator of the web forum can edit posts, remove posts, or
>>>>blacklist posters.
>>>>
>>>>An unmoderated Usenet forum would be operating with a different set of
>>>>ground rules that provides almost no centralized editorial control of
>>>>content.
>>>>
>>>>The two types of forums would therefore appear to have some complementary
>>>>aspects (assuming the Usenet group is kept unmoderated) and some
>>>>competiti ve aspects. E.g: Usenet group too "noisy" - go to the Joomla.org
>>>>forum; Joomla.org forum too restrictive - go to the Usenet newsgroup.
>>>
>>>
>>>Of course, the choice between the two solutions is a false dilemma.
>>>The situation is not one of XOR, but of AND, for the programmers
>>>amongst us.
>>>
>>>A feature of a forum is, e.g. that it can be extremely difficult to
>>>get in: yesterday I spent about 15 minutes to get into joomla.org
>>>forum. Really ! and I'm no novice on the WWW !
>>>The sea of id's and passwords I have for all the forums I have been
>>>to, you would not believe. I regularly forget one... nuisance, and the
>>>veru faint smell of elitism...
>>>
>>>Probably a forum is good for a smaller group of developers, but the
>>>regular user, encountering a problem, wants the speed and prliferation
>>>of Usenet.
>>>I think Usenet can contribute significantly in the spreading of the
>>>Word, by just being there and being easy to find.
>>>
>>>Also the centralization of the diiscussions on Usenet, versus the
>>>miriad of Joomla forums (every Tom, Dick and Harry....), would be
>>>beneficial .
>>>

>>
>>What took you so long? I can sign up for their forum in under 5 minutes
>>- less than three minutes if I don't count the time waiting for the
>>authorizati on email.

>
>
I can get on to a usenet group in under 30 seconds.... No return
e-mails, no passwords, no hassle...
Not every Tom, Dick and Harry putting a forum up... centralized..
>

So? YOU can do it. That doesn't mean ANYONE ELSE wants it. Many
people are much more comfortable with forums.

Additionally, if someone doesn't have a news reader or news server
available (or don't know how to use what they have - very common!), then
they would have to go through something like Google Groups. I'd much
rather have a forum.

>

>>And yes, it is a case of either/or. People are not going to post the
>>same information to both the forum and usenet. They'll post it to the
>>forum and that's all.

>
>
Ummmmm, that is an XOR after all ....
>

Yep, they will post in one or the other - but not both.

>

>>But this is the wrong place to try to drum up support, anyway. You
>>should be trying to get it on the Joomla forums. But I see you've done
>>that - with, so far, a distinct lack of interest from the Joomla community.

>
>
mmm, does that sound a teeny little bit hostile ?
You're a forum operator ?

No, not hostile. Just point out that this is the wrong place to be
asking. This is for PHP questions. By continuing to try to use this to
promote your own agenda which is unrelated to PHP, you're acting more
like a spammer.

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[Osiris]

Re: Joomla newsgroup

On Thu, 14 Dec 2006 16:12:40 -0500, Jerry Stuckle
<jstucklex@attg lobal.netwrote:

>Osiris wrote:

>On Wed, 13 Dec 2006 07:21:33 -0500, Jerry Stuckle
><jstucklex@att global.netwrote :
>>
>>

>>>Osiris wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Tue, 12 Dec 2006 22:34:01 -0000, Jim Logajan <JamesL@Lugoj.c om>
>>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>nobody@now here.invalid (Peter Boosten) wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Osiris <nono@hotmail.c omwrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>time for a Joomla newsgroup !
>>>>>>>suppor t the initiative on news.groups and nl.newsgroups.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>search there with keyword "joomla" and give your opinion, with solid
>>>>>>>argument s.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>What's wrong with their forum?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>http://forum.joomla.org/
>>>>>
>>>>>It appears to be the rough equivalent of a moderated Usenet forum, since
>>>>>the owner/operator of the web forum can edit posts, remove posts, or
>>>>>blacklis t posters.
>>>>>
>>>>>An unmoderated Usenet forum would be operating with a different set of
>>>>>ground rules that provides almost no centralized editorial control of
>>>>>content.
>>>>>
>>>>>The two types of forums would therefore appear to have some complementary
>>>>>aspects (assuming the Usenet group is kept unmoderated) and some
>>>>>competitiv e aspects. E.g: Usenet group too "noisy" - go to the Joomla.org
>>>>>forum; Joomla.org forum too restrictive - go to the Usenet newsgroup.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Of course, the choice between the two solutions is a false dilemma.
>>>>The situation is not one of XOR, but of AND, for the programmers
>>>>amongst us.
>>>>
>>>>A feature of a forum is, e.g. that it can be extremely difficult to
>>>>get in: yesterday I spent about 15 minutes to get into joomla.org
>>>>forum. Really ! and I'm no novice on the WWW !
>>>>The sea of id's and passwords I have for all the forums I have been
>>>>to, you would not believe. I regularly forget one... nuisance, and the
>>>>veru faint smell of elitism...
>>>>
>>>>Probably a forum is good for a smaller group of developers, but the
>>>>regular user, encountering a problem, wants the speed and prliferation
>>>>of Usenet.
>>>>I think Usenet can contribute significantly in the spreading of the
>>>>Word, by just being there and being easy to find.
>>>>
>>>>Also the centralization of the diiscussions on Usenet, versus the
>>>>miriad of Joomla forums (every Tom, Dick and Harry....), would be
>>>>beneficia l.
>>>>
>>>
>>>What took you so long? I can sign up for their forum in under 5 minutes
>>>- less than three minutes if I don't count the time waiting for the
>>>authorizatio n email.

>>
>>
>I can get on to a usenet group in under 30 seconds.... No return
>e-mails, no passwords, no hassle...
>Not every Tom, Dick and Harry putting a forum up... centralized..
>>

>
>So? YOU can do it. That doesn't mean ANYONE ELSE wants it. Many
>people are much more comfortable with forums.
>

No it does not, but it might mean soneone else wants it too. And
that's what it is all about here...

>Additionally , if someone doesn't have a news reader or news server
>available (or don't know how to use what they have - very common!), then
>they would have to go through something like Google Groups. I'd much
>rather have a forum.
>

so YOU are more comfy etc.

>>

>>>And yes, it is a case of either/or. People are not going to post the
>>>same information to both the forum and usenet. They'll post it to the
>>>forum and that's all.

>>
>>
>Ummmmm, that is an XOR after all ....
>>

>
>Yep, they will post in one or the other - but not both.

yep, but then for that to be true there must be a usenet group....

>

>>

>>>But this is the wrong place to try to drum up support, anyway. You
>>>should be trying to get it on the Joomla forums. But I see you've done
>>>that - with, so far, a distinct lack of interest from the Joomla community.

>>
>>
>mmm, does that sound a teeny little bit hostile ?
>You're a forum operator ?

>
>No, not hostile. Just point out that this is the wrong place to be
>asking. This is for PHP questions. By continuing to try to use this to
>promote your own agenda which is unrelated to PHP, you're acting more
>like a spammer.

Joomla is heavily PHP...
Big chance there are Joomla people around here... where else would
they go, being frustrated by the forum mechanisms....:-D

[Jerry Stuckle]

Re: Joomla newsgroup

Osiris wrote:

On Thu, 14 Dec 2006 16:12:40 -0500, Jerry Stuckle
<jstucklex@attg lobal.netwrote:
>
>

>>Osiris wrote:
>>

>>>On Wed, 13 Dec 2006 07:21:33 -0500, Jerry Stuckle
>>><jstucklex@a ttglobal.netwro te:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Osiris wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>On Tue, 12 Dec 2006 22:34:01 -0000, Jim Logajan <JamesL@Lugoj.c om>
>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>nobody@no where.invalid (Peter Boosten) wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Osiris <nono@hotmail.c omwrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>time for a Joomla newsgroup !
>>>>>>>>suppo rt the initiative on news.groups and nl.newsgroups.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>searc h there with keyword "joomla" and give your opinion, with solid
>>>>>>>>argumen ts.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>What's wrong with their forum?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>http://forum.joomla.org/
>>>>>>
>>>>>>It appears to be the rough equivalent of a moderated Usenet forum, since
>>>>>>the owner/operator of the web forum can edit posts, remove posts, or
>>>>>>blackli st posters.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>An unmoderated Usenet forum would be operating with a different set of
>>>>>>ground rules that provides almost no centralized editorial control of
>>>>>>content .
>>>>>>
>>>>>>The two types of forums would therefore appear to have some complementary
>>>>>>aspects (assuming the Usenet group is kept unmoderated) and some
>>>>>>competiti ve aspects. E.g: Usenet group too "noisy" - go to the Joomla.org
>>>>>>forum; Joomla.org forum too restrictive - go to the Usenet newsgroup.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Of course, the choice between the two solutions is a false dilemma.
>>>>>The situation is not one of XOR, but of AND, for the programmers
>>>>>amongst us.
>>>>>
>>>>>A feature of a forum is, e.g. that it can be extremely difficult to
>>>>>get in: yesterday I spent about 15 minutes to get into joomla.org
>>>>>forum. Really ! and I'm no novice on the WWW !
>>>>>The sea of id's and passwords I have for all the forums I have been
>>>>>to, you would not believe. I regularly forget one... nuisance, and the
>>>>>veru faint smell of elitism...
>>>>>
>>>>>Probably a forum is good for a smaller group of developers, but the
>>>>>regular user, encountering a problem, wants the speed and prliferation
>>>>>of Usenet.
>>>>>I think Usenet can contribute significantly in the spreading of the
>>>>>Word, by just being there and being easy to find.
>>>>>
>>>>>Also the centralization of the diiscussions on Usenet, versus the
>>>>>miriad of Joomla forums (every Tom, Dick and Harry....), would be
>>>>>beneficial .
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>What took you so long? I can sign up for their forum in under 5 minutes
>>>>- less than three minutes if I don't count the time waiting for the
>>>>authorizati on email.
>>>
>>>
>>>I can get on to a usenet group in under 30 seconds.... No return
>>>e-mails, no passwords, no hassle...
>>>Not every Tom, Dick and Harry putting a forum up... centralized..
>>>

>>
>>So? YOU can do it. That doesn't mean ANYONE ELSE wants it. Many
>>people are much more comfortable with forums.
>>

>
>
No it does not, but it might mean soneone else wants it too. And
that's what it is all about here...
>

And again - this is the wrong place. You should be asking where the
Joomla people are - on the forum.

>

>>Additionall y, if someone doesn't have a news reader or news server
>>available (or don't know how to use what they have - very common!), then
>>they would have to go through something like Google Groups. I'd much
>>rather have a forum.
>>

>
>
so YOU are more comfy etc.
>
>

More comfy with a forum over Google Groups? Definitely!

>

>>>>And yes, it is a case of either/or. People are not going to post the
>>>>same information to both the forum and usenet. They'll post it to the
>>>>forum and that's all.
>>>
>>>
>>>Ummmmm, that is an XOR after all ....
>>>

>>
>>Yep, they will post in one or the other - but not both.

>
>
yep, but then for that to be true there must be a usenet group....
>

Yes, and from everything I've seen, that newsgroup would be DOA before
it got off the ground.

>

>>>>But this is the wrong place to try to drum up support, anyway. You
>>>>should be trying to get it on the Joomla forums. But I see you've done
>>>>that - with, so far, a distinct lack of interest from the Joomla community.
>>>
>>>
>>>mmm, does that sound a teeny little bit hostile ?
>>>You're a forum operator ?

>>
>>No, not hostile. Just point out that this is the wrong place to be
>>asking. This is for PHP questions. By continuing to try to use this to
>>promote your own agenda which is unrelated to PHP, you're acting more
>>like a spammer.

>
>
Joomla is heavily PHP...
Big chance there are Joomla people around here... where else would
they go, being frustrated by the forum mechanisms....:-D

So? PHPBBS is heavy PHP. PHPMyAdmin is heavy PHP. A lot of other
products are heavy PHP. That doesn't make them valid topics for a PHP
developers group.

So by your logic I should be asking my Linux admin questions in a C
newsgroup because Linux is written in C. Same for my Windows accounting
package.

This group is for how to develop in PHP, not how to use a CMS written in
PHP.


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