CMS advice

[abracad_1999@yahoo.com]

Apologies for x-posting but seemed no obvious single forum for my
query.

I am new to content management systems and am considering using a cms
to implement a content-based web site with a view to applying a unified
appearance across content, and to be able to easily add & organize new
content.

My ISP offers joomla, mambo, postnuke & xoops so no worries about
installation. My main criteria (in rough priority order) are:
Ease of use
Flexibility & ability to customize
Range of features
Size of userbase

I would be extremely grateful to hear any opinions of the suitbility of
the 4 cms-s above for my needs.

Thanks in advance.

[arccos]

Re: CMS advice


abracad_1999@ya hoo.com wrote:

Apologies for x-posting but seemed no obvious single forum for my
query.
>
I am new to content management systems and am considering using a cms
to implement a content-based web site with a view to applying a unified
appearance across content, and to be able to easily add & organize new
content.
>
My ISP offers joomla, mambo, postnuke & xoops so no worries about
installation. My main criteria (in rough priority order) are:
Ease of use
Flexibility & ability to customize
Range of features
Size of userbase
>
I would be extremely grateful to hear any opinions of the suitbility of
the 4 cms-s above for my needs.
>
Thanks in advance.

I love Xoops myself. The variety of modules and ease all the way around
makes it an easy choice for me.

[josh.23.french]

Re: CMS advice

I would recommend Joomla! cms for its easy templating (Flexibility &
ability to customize), its administration back-end (Ease of use), and
Many modules, components, and mambots (Range of features), and a LARGE
userbase... It is very easy to setup too, with very little information
needing to be gathered to start.

[Adam]

Re: CMS advice

On 28 Oct 2006 16:24:23 -0700, abracad_1999@ya hoo.com wrote:

>Apologies for x-posting but seemed no obvious single forum for my
>query.
>
>I am new to content management systems and am considering using a cms
>to implement a content-based web site with a view to applying a unified
>appearance across content, and to be able to easily add & organize new
>content.
>
>My ISP offers joomla, mambo, postnuke & xoops so no worries about
>installation . My main criteria (in rough priority order) are:
Ease of use
Flexibility & ability to customize
Range of features
Size of userbase
>
>I would be extremely grateful to hear any opinions of the suitbility of
>the 4 cms-s above for my needs.

I'd go for Joomla. It seems very well supported - with loads of
*excellent* add-ons. Its use of CSS is good - allowing you to
customise look & feel quite easily.

Don't be suckered in, however, by the ISP auto-installation route -
they're often way out of date and you may find clashes with newer
add-ons. The install may be a bit tricky at first, but it's not rocket
science (at least Joomla's wasn't).

I have multiple Joomla installs with my ISP - and keep the latest
archive up there, where I can untar/unzip it via the Control Panel -
thus saving repeated uploads.

I'd forget Mambo - I don't think it's going anywhere, IMHO.

Other CMS's worth looking at are e107 and Geeklog.

Adam.

[_mario.lat]

Re: CMS advice

>

My ISP offers joomla, mambo, postnuke & xoops so no worries about

I had the same problem!
post nuke is too old!
Mambo and Joombla are pratically the same. Mambo have some political
problem.

The best are Joomla and Xoops.

Joombla is a bit easy for newby.

If you are a programmer the best is Xoops.
If you have to deal with permission Xoops can create groups and assign to
the groups the right permission (Joomla is not so detailed with the
permissions).
Xoops is more flexible but a bit more complex.

Joomla is more easier for beginner and you can find more
beautifull grafical layout (but Xoops is more flexible and power to create
your layout).

If you are a bit skilled chose Xoops.
If you are a "normal" user and you don't have to give different permission
to more than two or trhee groups chose Joomla.
Mario.

[Jerry Stuckle]

Re: CMS advice

_mario.lat wrote:

>>My ISP offers joomla, mambo, postnuke & xoops so no worries about

>
>
I had the same problem!
post nuke is too old!
Mambo and Joombla are pratically the same. Mambo have some political
problem.
>
The best are Joomla and Xoops.
>
Joombla is a bit easy for newby.
>
If you are a programmer the best is Xoops.
If you have to deal with permission Xoops can create groups and assign to
the groups the right permission (Joomla is not so detailed with the
permissions).
Xoops is more flexible but a bit more complex.
>
Joomla is more easier for beginner and you can find more
beautifull grafical layout (but Xoops is more flexible and power to create
your layout).
>
If you are a bit skilled chose Xoops.
If you are a "normal" user and you don't have to give different permission
to more than two or trhee groups chose Joomla.
Mario.

I'm currently looking at similar ones for a blog on a customer site.
I've just started investigating Drupal. How does this compare?

Basically they're looking for something which can be configured with
multiple security levels, etc. and customized to look like the rest of
their site. But once it's up and running they need something which
doesn't require a huge amount of maintenance.

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[concreteseller@gmail.com]

Re: CMS advice

My ISP offers joomla, mambo, postnuke & xoops so no worries about
installation. My main criteria (in rough priority order) are:
Ease of use
Flexibility & ability to customize
Range of features
Size of userbase
>
I would be extremely grateful to hear any opinions of the suitbility of
the 4 cms-s above for my needs.
>
Thanks in advance.

When you say your ASP offers these softwares, I assume they have
installation scripts with perhaps upgrade capabilities. That works
well, but modifications made to themes can be lost when using a "canned
upgrade". Also most of the install scripts are a version or more
behind the development cycle and security patches don't get updated
quick enough. I am a big fan of postnuke, xoops and drupal. They all
have problems and a required learning curve. They are also free, so
you could install each one and play with them to see how they feel.
Each one also has support forums and enough documentation to keep you
up late for the next year. You might also consider finding a host or
designer familiar with one of the systems and just pay for the results
you are looking for. Each of the cms's could do what you want, they
each have different strengths.

[Adam]

Re: CMS advice

On Sun, 29 Oct 2006 14:45:50 -0500, Jerry Stuckle wrote:

>_mario.lat wrote:

>>>My ISP offers joomla, mambo, postnuke & xoops so no worries about

>>
>>
>I had the same problem!
>post nuke is too old!
>Mambo and Joombla are pratically the same. Mambo have some political
>problem.
>>
>The best are Joomla and Xoops.
>>
>Joombla is a bit easy for newby.
>>
>If you are a programmer the best is Xoops.
>If you have to deal with permission Xoops can create groups and assign to
>the groups the right permission (Joomla is not so detailed with the
>permissions) .
>Xoops is more flexible but a bit more complex.
>>
>Joomla is more easier for beginner and you can find more
>beautifull grafical layout (but Xoops is more flexible and power to create
>your layout).
>>
>If you are a bit skilled chose Xoops.
>If you are a "normal" user and you don't have to give different permission
>to more than two or trhee groups chose Joomla.
>Mario.

>
>I'm currently looking at similar ones for a blog on a customer site.
>I've just started investigating Drupal. How does this compare?
>
>Basically they're looking for something which can be configured with
>multiple security levels, etc. and customized to look like the rest of
>their site. But once it's up and running they need something which
>doesn't require a huge amount of maintenance.

Joomla isn't too hot on multiple security levels & groups. Basically
only four (front end) levels with ONE group for each. There are
add-ons to get round this, but I haven't tried them.

In particular, you can't assign users/groups to specific content :-((

I may look at Drupal and XOOPS, based on comments here - for that kind
of functionality. In most other respects I really like Joomla.

Adam.

[Jerry Stuckle]

Re: CMS advice

Adam wrote:

On Sun, 29 Oct 2006 14:45:50 -0500, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
>
>

>>_mario.lat wrote:
>>

>>>>My ISP offers joomla, mambo, postnuke & xoops so no worries about
>>>
>>>
>>>I had the same problem!
>>>post nuke is too old!
>>>Mambo and Joombla are pratically the same. Mambo have some political
>>>problem.
>>>
>>>The best are Joomla and Xoops.
>>>
>>>Joombla is a bit easy for newby.
>>>
>>>If you are a programmer the best is Xoops.
>>>If you have to deal with permission Xoops can create groups and assign to
>>>the groups the right permission (Joomla is not so detailed with the
>>>permissions) .
>>>Xoops is more flexible but a bit more complex.
>>>
>>>Joomla is more easier for beginner and you can find more
>>>beautifull grafical layout (but Xoops is more flexible and power to create
>>>your layout).
>>>
>>>If you are a bit skilled chose Xoops.
>>>If you are a "normal" user and you don't have to give different permission
>>>to more than two or trhee groups chose Joomla.
>>>Mario.

>>
>>I'm currently looking at similar ones for a blog on a customer site.
>>I've just started investigating Drupal. How does this compare?
>>
>>Basically they're looking for something which can be configured with
>>multiple security levels, etc. and customized to look like the rest of
>>their site. But once it's up and running they need something which
>>doesn't require a huge amount of maintenance.

>
>
Joomla isn't too hot on multiple security levels & groups. Basically
only four (front end) levels with ONE group for each. There are
add-ons to get round this, but I haven't tried them.
>
In particular, you can't assign users/groups to specific content :-((
>
I may look at Drupal and XOOPS, based on comments here - for that kind
of functionality. In most other respects I really like Joomla.
>
Adam.

Thanks for the info, Adam. I'm glad I asked; it looks like Joomla won't
work for what they need then.

I appreciate the response!

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[Adam]

Re: CMS advice

On Mon, 30 Oct 2006 13:46:40 -0500, Jerry Stuckle wrote:

>Adam wrote:

>On Sun, 29 Oct 2006 14:45:50 -0500, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
>>
>>

>>>_mario.lat wrote:
>>>
>>>>>My ISP offers joomla, mambo, postnuke & xoops so no worries about
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>I had the same problem!
>>>>post nuke is too old!
>>>>Mambo and Joombla are pratically the same. Mambo have some political
>>>>problem.
>>>>
>>>>The best are Joomla and Xoops.
>>>>
>>>>Joombla is a bit easy for newby.
>>>>
>>>>If you are a programmer the best is Xoops.
>>>>If you have to deal with permission Xoops can create groups and assign to
>>>>the groups the right permission (Joomla is not so detailed with the
>>>>permissions ).
>>>>Xoops is more flexible but a bit more complex.
>>>>
>>>>Joomla is more easier for beginner and you can find more
>>>>beautiful l grafical layout (but Xoops is more flexible and power to create
>>>>your layout).
>>>>
>>>>If you are a bit skilled chose Xoops.
>>>>If you are a "normal" user and you don't have to give different permission
>>>>to more than two or trhee groups chose Joomla.
>>>>Mario.
>>>
>>>I'm currently looking at similar ones for a blog on a customer site.
>>>I've just started investigating Drupal. How does this compare?
>>>
>>>Basically they're looking for something which can be configured with
>>>multiple security levels, etc. and customized to look like the rest of
>>>their site. But once it's up and running they need something which
>>>doesn't require a huge amount of maintenance.

>>
>>
>Joomla isn't too hot on multiple security levels & groups. Basically
>only four (front end) levels with ONE group for each. There are
>add-ons to get round this, but I haven't tried them.
>>
>In particular, you can't assign users/groups to specific content :-((
>>
>I may look at Drupal and XOOPS, based on comments here - for that kind
>of functionality. In most other respects I really like Joomla.
>>
>Adam.

>
>Thanks for the info, Adam. I'm glad I asked; it looks like Joomla won't
>work for what they need then.
>
>I appreciate the response!

Forgot to add that there are also four similar levels for the [Joomla]
Admin *back-end* - but again, there's no real granularity.

In every other respects Joomla is an awesome package. It may still be
worth considering. Here's info about the JACL extension that may give
you what you need:

http://extensions.joomla.org/component/option,com_mtree/task,viewlink/link_id,387/Itemid,35/

"An ACL Enhancements component for Joomla! to enable you to create new
user groups and/or new access levels. It also enables you to assign
multiple access levels to user groups to make your website items' view
access more controllable. Beside these, it also enhance com_content
frontend ACL to allow add/edit/publish action control based on user
groups for specified sections/categories/content items."

Adam.

[Jerry Stuckle]

Re: CMS advice

Adam wrote:

On Mon, 30 Oct 2006 13:46:40 -0500, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
>
>

>>Adam wrote:
>>

>>>On Sun, 29 Oct 2006 14:45:50 -0500, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>_mario.la t wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>My ISP offers joomla, mambo, postnuke & xoops so no worries about
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>I had the same problem!
>>>>>post nuke is too old!
>>>>>Mambo and Joombla are pratically the same. Mambo have some political
>>>>>problem.
>>>>>
>>>>>The best are Joomla and Xoops.
>>>>>
>>>>>Joombla is a bit easy for newby.
>>>>>
>>>>>If you are a programmer the best is Xoops.
>>>>>If you have to deal with permission Xoops can create groups and assign to
>>>>>the groups the right permission (Joomla is not so detailed with the
>>>>>permission s).
>>>>>Xoops is more flexible but a bit more complex.
>>>>>
>>>>>Joomla is more easier for beginner and you can find more
>>>>>beautifu ll grafical layout (but Xoops is more flexible and power to create
>>>>>your layout).
>>>>>
>>>>>If you are a bit skilled chose Xoops.
>>>>>If you are a "normal" user and you don't have to give different permission
>>>>>to more than two or trhee groups chose Joomla.
>>>>>Mario.
>>>>
>>>>I'm currently looking at similar ones for a blog on a customer site.
>>>>I've just started investigating Drupal. How does this compare?
>>>>
>>>>Basically they're looking for something which can be configured with
>>>>multiple security levels, etc. and customized to look like the rest of
>>>>their site. But once it's up and running they need something which
>>>>doesn't require a huge amount of maintenance.
>>>
>>>
>>>Joomla isn't too hot on multiple security levels & groups. Basically
>>>only four (front end) levels with ONE group for each. There are
>>>add-ons to get round this, but I haven't tried them.
>>>
>>>In particular, you can't assign users/groups to specific content :-((
>>>
>>>I may look at Drupal and XOOPS, based on comments here - for that kind
>>>of functionality. In most other respects I really like Joomla.
>>>
>>>Adam.

>>
>>Thanks for the info, Adam. I'm glad I asked; it looks like Joomla won't
>>work for what they need then.
>>
>>I appreciate the response!

>
>
Forgot to add that there are also four similar levels for the [Joomla]
Admin *back-end* - but again, there's no real granularity.
>
In every other respects Joomla is an awesome package. It may still be
worth considering. Here's info about the JACL extension that may give
you what you need:
>

http://extensions.joomla.org/component/option,com_mtree/task,viewlink/link_id,387/Itemid,35/

>
"An ACL Enhancements component for Joomla! to enable you to create new
user groups and/or new access levels. It also enables you to assign
multiple access levels to user groups to make your website items' view
access more controllable. Beside these, it also enhance com_content
frontend ACL to allow add/edit/publish action control based on user
groups for specified sections/categories/content items."
>
Adam.

Adam,

Thanks for the info. I'll check out the extensions!

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