How to remove blanks at runtime??

[Hermann.Richter@gmail.com]

Is there any way to remove automatically all blank chars from the html
sent to the client??

Example:
----------------------------------------------------------------
<?
echo "HTML tags here<br>" ;
?>
more HTML here
<div>
<div>
Some text
</div>
</div>

<?
----------------------------------------------------------------

after running this php script the client should receive:
----------------------------------------------------------------
HTML tags here<br>
more HTML here
<div>
<div>
Some text
</div>
</div>
----------------------------------------------------------------

Is there any option in PHP to do this automatically??

Thanks in advance.

[Andy Hassall]

Re: How to remove blanks at runtime??

On 7 Oct 2006 14:51:36 -0700, Hermann.Richter @gmail.com wrote:

>Is there any way to remove automatically all blank chars from the html
>sent to the client??
>
>Example:
>----------------------------------------------------------------
><?
>echo "HTML tags here<br>" ;
>?>
>more HTML here
><div>
> <div>
> Some text
> </div>
></div>
>
><?
>----------------------------------------------------------------
>
>after running this php script the client should receive:
>----------------------------------------------------------------
>HTML tags here<br>
>more HTML here
><div>
><div>
>Some text
></div>
></div>
>----------------------------------------------------------------
>
>Is there any option in PHP to do this automatically??

Not built-in, but you could use output buffering and modify the contents of
the buffer as it's output.

http://uk2.php.net/manual/en/ref.outcontrol.php

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[Hermann.Richter@gmail.com]

Re: How to remove blanks at runtime??

Thanks.

Is there any performance impact or server overloading if I use output
buffering??

Does it take more resources (cpu, ram)??



On Oct 7, 6:59 pm, Andy Hassall <a...@andyh.co. ukwrote:

On 7 Oct 2006 14:51:36 -0700, Hermann.Rich... @gmail.com wrote:
>
>
>
>
>

Is there any way to remove automatically all blank chars from the html
sent to the client??

>

Example:
----------------------------------------------------------------
<?
echo "HTML tags here<br>" ;
?>
more HTML here
<div>
<div>
Some text
</div>
</div>

>

<?
----------------------------------------------------------------

>

after running this php script the client should receive:
----------------------------------------------------------------
HTML tags here<br>
more HTML here
<div>
<div>
Some text
</div>
</div>
----------------------------------------------------------------

>

Is there any option in PHP to do this automatically?? Not built-in, but you could use output buffering and modify the contents of

the buffer as it's output.
>

http://uk2.php.net/manual/en/ref.outcontrol.php

>
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[Peter Fox]

Re: How to remove blanks at runtime??

Following on from 's message. . .

>Thanks.
>
>Is there any performance impact or server overloading if I use output
>buffering??
>
>Does it take more resources (cpu, ram)??

No there is absolutely no overhead when buffering and processing the
buffer. Why should that be? It's not as if you're using RAM or CPU
cycles.



If you're generating the output dynamically then clear out those spaces
in the source code.

If you are just serving HTML then tidy up the original HTML once.


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[Jerry Stuckle]

Re: How to remove blanks at runtime??

Peter Fox wrote:

Following on from 's message. . .
>

>Thanks.
>>
>Is there any performance impact or server overloading if I use output
>buffering??
>>
>Does it take more resources (cpu, ram)??

>
No there is absolutely no overhead when buffering and processing the
buffer. Why should that be? It's not as if you're using RAM or CPU
cycles.
>
>
>
If you're generating the output dynamically then clear out those spaces
in the source code.
>
If you are just serving HTML then tidy up the original HTML once.
>
>

Actually, there is a slight performance hit, but it isn't much.

PHP will by default buffer the output, But this is not a huge buffer(I
forget the size),and when it fills, the output is sent to the web server.

If you use output buffering, all the output is buffered until you send
the data on. This will generally require more RAM for the larger
buffer, and more CPU cycles to process the buffer.

But it's not a great amount unless you have large pages.

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[Hermann.Richter@gmail.com]

Re: How to remove blanks at runtime??

My pages are not too big. But I'm expecting to receive a lot amount of
visits so I'm very concerned about performance because a slight
overhead in processing a page could have a big impact on the server
when serving hundreds of requests per second.

What do you think??
Could there be a noticeable impact in server's performance on a very
visited site??

Thank you all for your replies.


On Oct 9, 9:21 am, Jerry Stuckle <jstuck...@attg lobal.netwrote:

Peter Fox wrote:

Following on from 's message. . .

>

Thanks.

>

Is there any performance impact or server overloading if I use output
buffering??

>

Does it take more resources (cpu, ram)??

>

No there is absolutely no overhead when buffering and processing the
buffer. Why should that be? It's not as if you're using RAM or CPU
cycles.

>

If you're generating the output dynamically then clear out those spaces
in the source code.

>

If you are just serving HTML then tidy up the original HTML once.Actually, there is a slight performance hit, but it isn't much.

>
PHP will by default buffer the output, But this is not a huge buffer(I
forget the size),and when it fills, the output is sent to the web server.
>
If you use output buffering, all the output is buffered until you send
the data on. This will generally require more RAM for the larger
buffer, and more CPU cycles to process the buffer.
>
But it's not a great amount unless you have large pages.
>
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[Jerry Stuckle]

Re: How to remove blanks at runtime??

Hermann.Richter @gmail.com wrote:

On Oct 9, 9:21 am, Jerry Stuckle <jstuck...@attg lobal.netwrote:
>

>>Peter Fox wrote:
>>

>>>Following on from 's message. . .

>>

>>>>Thanks.

>>

>>>>Is there any performance impact or server overloading if I use output
>>>>buffering ??

>>

>>>>Does it take more resources (cpu, ram)??

>>

>>>No there is absolutely no overhead when buffering and processing the
>>>buffer. Why should that be? It's not as if you're using RAM or CPU
>>>cycles.

>>

>>>If you're generating the output dynamically then clear out those spaces
>>>in the source code.

>>

>>>If you are just serving HTML then tidy up the original HTML once.Actually, there is a slight performance hit, but it isn't much.

>>
>>PHP will by default buffer the output, But this is not a huge buffer(I
>>forget the size),and when it fills, the output is sent to the web server.
>>
>>If you use output buffering, all the output is buffered until you send
>>the data on. This will generally require more RAM for the larger
>>buffer, and more CPU cycles to process the buffer.
>>
>>But it's not a great amount unless you have large pages.
>>

>
My pages are not too big. But I'm expecting to receive a lot amount of
visits so I'm very concerned about performance because a slight
overhead in processing a page could have a big impact on the server
when serving hundreds of requests per second.
>
What do you think??
Could there be a noticeable impact in server's performance on a very
visited site??
>
Thank you all for your replies.
>

(Top posting fixed)

Yes, it can affect performance. The reason being that if you don't use
output buffering, PHP can send data to the web server (and onto the
client) while the page is being built. As soon as a buffer gets full,
PHP sends it to the web server; the web server may send it immediately
or buffer it further, but eventually it will send it to the client.

Using the output buffering functions means PHP will have to buffer
everything, then later send everything to the web server at once. Then
the web server sends it to the client.

So not only does this take more memory, it slows things down because PHP
and the web server cannot pick the most opportune times to pass the data on.

With all of that - normally it's not a significant delay, however.


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[Peter Fox]

Re: How to remove blanks at runtime??

Following on from Jerry Stuckle's message. . .

[Top posting to annoy dimwits who can't cope with posting wherever is
most appropriate.]

You failed to answer the OP's question. He wants to know _exactly_, in
numbers and based on things like 'a lot' what the performance hit will
be. You've had two tries at it - strangely without success: Any reason
for that failure do you think?

>
>(Top posting fixed)

[But you didn't think of snipping - Duh! - Repeat after me: "Threaded
newsreader"]

>
>Yes, it can affect performance. The reason being that if you don't use
>output buffering, PHP can send data to the web server (and onto the
>client) while the page is being built. As soon as a buffer gets full,
>PHP sends it to the web server; the web server may send it immediately
>or buffer it further, but eventually it will send it to the client.
>
>Using the output buffering functions means PHP will have to buffer
>everything, then later send everything to the web server at once. Then
>the web server sends it to the client.
>
>So not only does this take more memory, it slows things down because PHP
>and the web server cannot pick the most opportune times to pass the data on.
>
>With all of that - normally it's not a significant delay, however.
>
>

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2 Tees Close, Witham, Essex.
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[Andy Hassall]

Re: How to remove blanks at runtime??

On 9 Oct 2006 17:06:32 -0700, Hermann.Richter @gmail.com wrote:

>My pages are not too big. But I'm expecting to receive a lot amount of
>visits so I'm very concerned about performance because a slight
>overhead in processing a page could have a big impact on the server
>when serving hundreds of requests per second.
>
>What do you think??
>Could there be a noticeable impact in server's performance on a very
>visited site??

Perhaps it's worth stepping back a little and asking what is your goal here -
why do you want to remove the whitespace?

If the main goal is to reduce the amount of data transferred from server to
client, you may be better off using output compression (e.g. setting
zlib.output_com pression to On or a value for the buffer size). Not only will
this compress the whitespace down, it'll transparently compress all the other
text as well. Reductions of 10:1 for the amount of data transferred are not
uncommon. And as this is done in a compiled library then it will likely fare
well compared with doing string processing in PHP to remove whitespace.

But perhaps you have another reason, so it may be useful to hear it.

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[Jerry Stuckle]

Re: How to remove blanks at runtime??

Peter Fox wrote:

Following on from Jerry Stuckle's message. . .
>
[Top posting to annoy dimwits who can't cope with posting wherever is
most appropriate.]
>
You failed to answer the OP's question. He wants to know _exactly_, in
numbers and based on things like 'a lot' what the performance hit will
be. You've had two tries at it - strangely without success: Any reason
for that failure do you think?
>

>>
>(Top posting fixed)

>
[But you didn't think of snipping - Duh! - Repeat after me: "Threaded
newsreader"]
>

Poor troll doesn't follow conventions.

I didn't answer exactly because there is no exact answer - which you
would know if you had any understanding of systems and how PHP and
Apache work.

It depends on too many things. CPU speed, amount of available memory,
PHP and Apache options, size of pages being buffered, number of pages
being buffered, even ping times and link speed on the client end.

And a whole bunch more.

But I repeat - for most systems it should not be a significant slowdown.

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[Hermann.Richter@gmail.com]

Re: How to remove blanks at runtime??

Thank you, Andy and Jerry.

My reasons to remove blanks chars (\n, \r, \t, space) are basicly that
I want to reduce bandwidth usage and to add some kind of obfuscation to
my codes.

I think that the zlib.compressio n thing will do it for the bandwidth
usage.
For the obfuscation, I think I still will have to use output buffering.



Jerry Stuckle wrote:

Peter Fox wrote:

Following on from Jerry Stuckle's message. . .

[Top posting to annoy dimwits who can't cope with posting wherever is
most appropriate.]

You failed to answer the OP's question. He wants to know _exactly_, in
numbers and based on things like 'a lot' what the performance hit will
be. You've had two tries at it - strangely without success: Any reason
for that failure do you think?

>
(Top posting fixed)

[But you didn't think of snipping - Duh! - Repeat after me: "Threaded
newsreader"]

>
Poor troll doesn't follow conventions.
>
I didn't answer exactly because there is no exact answer - which you
would know if you had any understanding of systems and how PHP and
Apache work.
>
It depends on too many things. CPU speed, amount of available memory,
PHP and Apache options, size of pages being buffered, number of pages
being buffered, even ping times and link speed on the client end.
>
And a whole bunch more.
>
But I repeat - for most systems it should not be a significant slowdown.
>
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