php Web Frameworks

[Ike]

I've been trying to learn Ruby On Rails, because of it;s ease of use as a
web framwework. I am primarily a Java programmer, but the web Frameworks
there - Struts, Java Server Faces, are arcane as hell compared to Rails.
Additionally, Rails bakes Ajax code right into the output pages.

So it occurs to me -- surely there must be a php-based Web Framework that is
as easy to use as Rails, and incorporates Ajax into the output
automatically for you? If so, that would be the solution I want for the
future. ANyone aware of such a creature? Thanks, Ike

[IchBin]

Re: php Web Frameworks

Ike wrote:

I've been trying to learn Ruby On Rails, because of it;s ease of use as a
web framwework. I am primarily a Java programmer, but the web Frameworks
there - Struts, Java Server Faces, are arcane as hell compared to Rails.
Additionally, Rails bakes Ajax code right into the output pages.
>
So it occurs to me -- surely there must be a php-based Web Framework that is
as easy to use as Rails, and incorporates Ajax into the output
automatically for you? If so, that would be the solution I want for the
future. ANyone aware of such a creature? Thanks, Ike
>
>

I am also a Java programmer trying to consume php as fast as I can. I am
also looking at Ruby ala Eclipse IDE. I am a new to php but so far I
have found the following frameworks for PHP listed below. From my
understanding, so far, I think as a parallel to ruby on rails that
CakePHP comes closest. You can make your own assessments.

RADICORE: Rapid Application Development toolkit

http://www.radicore.org

Symfony: an open-source PHP5 web framework

http://www.symfony-project.com

CakePHP: Rapid development framework for PHP

http://www.cakephp.org

Code Igniter: Open Source Web Application Framework

http://codeigniter.com

Seagull: OOP framework for building web, command line and GUI applications

http://seagullproject.org

Two Articles of interest:
Recommend a good web-application framework for PHP?

http://www.oreillynet.com/onlamp/blog/2004/12/recommend_a_good_webapplicatio.html

Time to find a PHP framework

http://peter.mapledesign.co.uk/weblog/archives/time-to-find-a-php-framework

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[R. Rajesh Jeba Anbiah]

|OT| PHP vs RoR (Was Re: php Web Frameworks)

Ike wrote:

I've been trying to learn Ruby On Rails, because of it;s ease of use as a
web framwework. I am primarily a Java programmer, but the web Frameworks
there - Struts, Java Server Faces, are arcane as hell compared to Rails.
Additionally, Rails bakes Ajax code right into the output pages.
>
So it occurs to me -- surely there must be a php-based Web Framework that is
as easy to use as Rails, and incorporates Ajax into the output
automatically for you? If so, that would be the solution I want for the
future. ANyone aware of such a creature? Thanks, Ike

PHP got *huge* frameworks; but most of them are just clones of
..Net, RoR, etc--than to be innovative to attract users. The reason
might be because that most of the hard PHP programmers still prefer to
flexible with hackish style than the rigid framework approach as many
of them feels that most of web applications are simpler.

IMHO, RoR is killing many other frameworks and attracting more PHP
programmers lately. Those who are worried about the server support for
Ruby are just using Symfony, CakePHP, etc as an alternate to RoR.

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<?php echo 'Just another PHP saint'; ?>
Email: rrjanbiah-at-Y!com Blog: http://rajeshanbiah.blogspot.com/

[Tony Marston]

Re: |OT| PHP vs RoR (Was Re: php Web Frameworks)

May I suggest you look at Radicore at http://www.radicore.org which is most
definitely NOT a clone of any other framework If you are building
administrative web applications then this has more features than you can
shake a stick at.

For a comparison between Radicore and RoR take a look at

http://www.tonymarston.co.uk/php-mysql/radicore-vs-ror.html

It may also interest you to know that a java programmer looked at radicore's
design and was so impressed that he decided to build a clone in java. How's
that for a world's first - a java clone of a PHP framework! Read about it at

http://www.radicore.org/radicore-for-java.php

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http://www.tonymarston.net

http://www.radicore.org

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Ike wrote:

>I've been trying to learn Ruby On Rails, because of it;s ease of use as a
>web framwework. I am primarily a Java programmer, but the web Frameworks
>there - Struts, Java Server Faces, are arcane as hell compared to Rails.
>Additionally , Rails bakes Ajax code right into the output pages.
>>
>So it occurs to me -- surely there must be a php-based Web Framework that
>is
>as easy to use as Rails, and incorporates Ajax into the output
>automaticall y for you? If so, that would be the solution I want for the
>future. ANyone aware of such a creature? Thanks, Ike

>
PHP got *huge* frameworks; but most of them are just clones of
.Net, RoR, etc--than to be innovative to attract users. The reason
might be because that most of the hard PHP programmers still prefer to
flexible with hackish style than the rigid framework approach as many
of them feels that most of web applications are simpler.
>
IMHO, RoR is killing many other frameworks and attracting more PHP
programmers lately. Those who are worried about the server support for
Ruby are just using Symfony, CakePHP, etc as an alternate to RoR.
>
--
<?php echo 'Just another PHP saint'; ?>
Email: rrjanbiah-at-Y!com Blog: http://rajeshanbiah.blogspot.com/
>

[Rob Tweed]

Re: php Web Frameworks

Check out eXtc Web Developer (www.mgateway.com) which provides a
cross-technology framework for web application development, is simple
to use and makes Ajax techniques very simple indeed.

On Fri, 01 Sep 2006 13:13:46 GMT, "Ike" <rxv@hotmail.co mwrote:

>I've been trying to learn Ruby On Rails, because of it;s ease of use as a
>web framwework. I am primarily a Java programmer, but the web Frameworks
>there - Struts, Java Server Faces, are arcane as hell compared to Rails.
>Additionally , Rails bakes Ajax code right into the output pages.
>
>So it occurs to me -- surely there must be a php-based Web Framework that is
>as easy to use as Rails, and incorporates Ajax into the output
>automaticall y for you? If so, that would be the solution I want for the
>future. ANyone aware of such a creature? Thanks, Ike
>

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M/Gateway Developments Ltd

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