oracle article: "PHP vs. ASP.NET"

**Kevin Thorpe** · Jul 17 '05, 04:33 AM

Re: oracle article: "PHP vs. ASP.NET"

Terence wrote:[color=blue]
> These comparrison articles are always fun :)
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> http://otn.oracle.com/pub/articles/hull_asp.html[/color]

Especially when they disappear before anyone can read them ;-)

**Jerry Gitomer** · Jul 17 '05, 04:33 AM

Re: oracle article: "PHP vs. ASP.NET"

On Thu, 01 Apr 2004 11:15:35 +0100, Kevin Thorpe wrote:
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> Terence wrote:[color=green]
>> These comparrison articles are always fun :)
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>> http://otn.oracle.com/pub/articles/hull_asp.html[/color]
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> Especially when they disappear before anyone can read them ;-)[/color]

It is still there. I just read it.

Jerry

**Justin Koivisto** · Jul 17 '05, 04:33 AM

Re: oracle article: "PHP vs. ASP.NET"

Kevin Thorpe wrote:
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> Terence wrote:
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>> These comparrison articles are always fun :)
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>> http://otn.oracle.com/pub/articles/hull_asp.html[/color]
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> Especially when they disappear before anyone can read them ;-)[/color]

I saw it just fine... Here's the bottom line on it:

(quoted from http://otn.oracle.com/pub/articles/hull_asp.html)

Making the Choice

Without assuming you've already decided to go with PHP, I'll conclude
that its strengths far outweigh its weaknesses. (See the summary in
Table 1.) It boils down to price, speed and efficiency, security,
cross-platform applicability, and open-source opportunity. Its only
weakness is its lack of a pure and perfect OOP implementation; however,
this is a minor drawback. Though language constructs do help,
ultimately, good coding is a matter of practice, execution, good habits,
and discipline.

Table 1
PHP 4 PHP 5 ASP.NET
Software price free free free
Platform price free free $$
Speed strong strong weak
Efficiency strong strong weak
Security strong strong strong
Platform strong strong weak (IIS only)
Platform any any win32 (IIS only)
Source available yes yes no
Exceptions no yes yes
OOP weak strong strong

Price. Here, we must consider not simply the price tag of the initial
investment, which, in the case of PHP, is obviously free, but also the
implementation, maintenance, and debugging costs. In the case of PHP,
you may invest in the Zend optimization engine. With ASP, however,
you're investing from the very beginning, and you're spending for add-on
technologies—li braries for doing graphics manipulations, for instance.
But, in the long term, PHP isn't going to press you to upgrade and
collect more licensing fees. Everyone who has dealt with complex
licensing also knows that companies spend time and money just ensuring
they are compliant. Furthermore, you have a difference in response when
getting bugs fixed. This, of course, translates to time, which
translates to cost for overall development.

Speed and efficiency. As I mentioned earlier, ASP.NET is a framework
allowing you to use various programming languages. In addition, it is
touted as having a great object-oriented model. All this is true, but it
becomes a detriment as far as speed is concerned. For all that
advantage, there is a lot more code to run through to execute the same
ASP page than you have to execute in the PHP engine for an equivalent
PHP page. PHP is the quick-and-dirty type of solution, the one to get
the job done. And though a lot of robustness has been added to it since
its 2.0 and 3.0 days, it still retains that core optimized high-speed
approach.

Speed is not the only consideration. Memory usage is also important.

Security. ASP.NET runs on IIS, which has been compromised innumerable
times, as evidenced by IT news reports every other week. It has become
such a liability, in fact, that in spite of all the marketing dollars
spent on it, many IT professionals refuse to have their networks exposed
with an IIS Web server. PHP, however, works with Apache, which has a
proven track record of speed, reliability, and hardened security. Check
www.securityfocus.com for more information.

Cross-platform applicability. ASP.NET runs on IIS and is starting to run
on Apache, which can run on a whole host of platforms. PHP has been
designed to work with Apache from the beginning, so you have many proven
and reliable server platforms to choose from.

Open source opportunity. Open source is not just some philosophical
torch idealistic programmers, or companies wanting to save a few bucks
on licensing costs, are carrying. When you're dealing with bugs in the
software itself, open source can be a serious godsend.

In either case, with PHP or ASP.NET, you have a large user base using
the software and possibly encountering bugs. With ASP.NET, those bugs
have to go through a bureaucratic process to get acknowledged, fixed,
tested, and rolled out in a new patch or release. PHP fixes, however,
can get fixed quickly and rereleased. Anyone who has watched open-source
development knows new releases and patches often come out in days rather
than in weeks or months, as with commercial software. If that's not fast
enough, you can always fix a problem yourself if you have to.

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**Kevin Thorpe** · Jul 17 '05, 04:33 AM

Re: oracle article: "PHP vs. ASP.NET"

> I saw it just fine... Here's the bottom line on it:[color=blue]
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> (quoted from http://otn.oracle.com/pub/articles/hull_asp.html)
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> Making the Choice[/color]

Thanks, it had disappeared earlier on but then the 'net has been
somewhat flaky today.

It looks like I chose the right solution in the first place, but then
from my perspective it was a no-brainer (no budget).

**Phil Roberts** · Jul 17 '05, 04:34 AM

Re: oracle article: "PHP vs. ASP.NET"

With total disregard for any kind of safety measures Terence
<tk.lists@fastm ail.fm> leapt forth and uttered:
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> These comparrison articles are always fun :)
>
> http://otn.oracle.com/pub/articles/hull_asp.html[/color]

Dang, an article where PHP actually /beats/ ASP.NET? Thats a rare and
beatiful thing.

I have to say that the way Oracle seems to be coming out rooting for
PHP is quite heartening after such a long period of silence over the
issue.

--
Phil Roberts | Dork Pretending To Be Hard | http://www.flatnet.net/

**Terence** · Jul 17 '05, 04:39 AM

Re: oracle article: "PHP vs. ASP.NET"

Phil Roberts wrote:
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> With total disregard for any kind of safety measures Terence
> <tk.lists@fastm ail.fm> leapt forth and uttered:
>
>[color=green]
>>These comparrison articles are always fun :)
>>
>>http://otn.oracle.com/pub/articles/hull_asp.html[/color]
>
>
> Dang, an article where PHP actually /beats/ ASP.NET? Thats a rare and
> beatiful thing.
>
> I have to say that the way Oracle seems to be coming out rooting for
> PHP is quite heartening after such a long period of silence over the
> issue.
>[/color]

Near the beginning of the article basically invalidate the comparrison
itself by saying that PHP is a language technology and ASP.net is more
of a framework technology. These sorts of things are not really all that
comparable. ASP.net needs to be compared to higher level web frameworks
like Java Server Faces (Sun's new web framework that runs on top of
their Servlets/JSP specification), Apache Struts (Java), Apache Cocoon
(Java/XML), or Popoon (PHP5/XML), Krysalis(PHP/XML), or XAO-PHP(PHP/XML).

I'm not an ASP.NET expert but from what I've seen, it has it's good
points. Personally, I find it too prescriptive. My favourite framework
is Cocoon, it is the most flexible and the most powerful and leaves
asp.net stone dead in the water. There is a PHP port of Cocoon called
Popoon, but I don't know that a direct port of that Java framework will
preserves the advantes inherint in the PHP language. The XAO-PHP
framework was written by yours truly but I haven't had the time to
finish it and issue a final release -- although I still believe in the
concept. It's worth checking out the framework stuff by Tony Masterton
as well. He has done some sterling work based on many years of
programming experience. I only endorse frameworks which centralise on
XML-based transport layers since interoperabilit y is a paramount concern.

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Apache Struts web framework

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Apache Cocoon

http://cocoon.apache.org/2.1/

Bitflux Popoon (Cocoon port)

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