weakness in ASP.NET?

**B. Johannessen** · Jul 17 '05, 03:58 AM

Re: weakness in ASP.NET?

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> hi, from PHP or JSP users' mind, what's the weakness with ASP.NET?[/color]

Vendor lock-in.

Bob

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**Chung Leong** · Jul 17 '05, 03:58 AM

Re: weakness in ASP.NET?

Lack of flexibility. Total reliance on Javascript.

Uzytkownik "Alan Zhong" <alanchinese@ya hoo.com> napisal w wiadomosci
news:b09c98a8.0 403031141.30682 91f@posting.goo gle.com...[color=blue]
> hi, from PHP or JSP users' mind, what's the weakness with ASP.NET?
> any opinions are appreciated.
> side question: is it true that ASP.NET can only be used with IIS? is
> IIS a huge trouble maker? will IIS affect the performance of ASP.NET?
> thankx.[/color]

**Dag Sunde** · Jul 17 '05, 03:58 AM

Re: weakness in ASP.NET?

"Chung Leong" <chernyshevsky@ hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:g-idnealiJDFHNvdR Vn-vg@comcast.com. ..[color=blue]
> Lack of flexibility. Total reliance on Javascript.[/color]

Ehhh?

Define "Lack of flexibility".

"Total reliance on Javascript"???

I've written 25-30 medium sized sites & web applications in
Asp.net now, and I don't quite understand that statement?

In web applictions, the only feasible client-side language
*is* JavaScript! I don't understand what this have to do
with Asp.Net?
[color=blue]
>
> Uzytkownik "Alan Zhong" <alanchinese@ya hoo.com> napisal w wiadomosci
> news:b09c98a8.0 403031141.30682 91f@posting.goo gle.com...[color=green]
> > hi, from PHP or JSP users' mind, what's the weakness with ASP.NET?
> > any opinions are appreciated.[/color][/color]

The weakness IMO, is the vendor "lock-in" and the total lack of cross
platform availability.
[color=blue][color=green]
> > side question: is it true that ASP.NET can only be used with IIS?[/color][/color]

To my knowledge, yes. It is true that the full ASP.NET system can only
be used with IIS.

(There is something called "Mono"(?), that is a U*ix implementation
of the CLR, that is supposed to run ASP.Net scripts, but I don't
know anything about it's state).
[color=blue][color=green]
> > Is IIS a huge trouble maker?[/color][/color]

Depends on what you mean by "trouble maker". Several of my sites run on
IIS without any problems so far. But yes, there have been more security
issues involving IIS that i.e Apache.
[color=blue][color=green]
> > Will IIS affect the performance of ASP.NET?[/color][/color]

As long as ASP.NET only run properly under IIS, of course it will!

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Dag.

**Doug Hutcheson** · Jul 17 '05, 03:58 AM

Re: weakness in ASP.NET?

"Dag Sunde" <ds.nope@orion. no.way> wrote in message
news:l2w1c.4301 0$BD3.8194318@j uliett.dax.net. ..[color=blue]
> "Chung Leong" <chernyshevsky@ hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:g-idnealiJDFHNvdR Vn-vg@comcast.com. ..[color=green]
> > Lack of flexibility. Total reliance on Javascript.[/color]
>
> Ehhh?
>
> Define "Lack of flexibility".
>
> "Total reliance on Javascript"???
>
> I've written 25-30 medium sized sites & web applications in
> Asp.net now, and I don't quite understand that statement?
>
> In web applictions, the only feasible client-side language
> *is* JavaScript! I don't understand what this have to do
> with Asp.Net?[/color]

<snip>

By relying on client side processing, you are limiting your potential market
to only those organisations which allow users to have scripting enabled in
their browsers. This is still regarded as ciminal negligence in
organisations with a tendency towards security - which by definition does
not include those running certain browsers which shall remain nameless. "8-D

Just my $0.02
Doug

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Remove the blots from my address to reply

**Dag Sunde** · Jul 17 '05, 03:59 AM

Re: weakness in ASP.NET?

"Doug Hutcheson" <doug.blot.hutc heson@nrm.blot. qld.blot.gov.bl ot.au> wrote
in message news:1gw1c.205$ IH5.10635@news. optus.net.au...[color=blue]
> "Dag Sunde" <ds.nope@orion. no.way> wrote in message
> news:l2w1c.4301 0$BD3.8194318@j uliett.dax.net. ..[color=green]
> > "Chung Leong" <chernyshevsky@ hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:g-idnealiJDFHNvdR Vn-vg@comcast.com. ..[color=darkred]
> > > Lack of flexibility. Total reliance on Javascript.[/color]
> >
> > Ehhh?
> >
> > Define "Lack of flexibility".
> >
> > "Total reliance on Javascript"???
> >
> > I've written 25-30 medium sized sites & web applications in
> > Asp.net now, and I don't quite understand that statement?
> >
> > In web applictions, the only feasible client-side language
> > *is* JavaScript! I don't understand what this have to do
> > with Asp.Net?[/color]
>
>
> <snip>
>
> By relying on client side processing, you are limiting your potential[/color]
market[color=blue]
> to only those organisations which allow users to have scripting enabled in
> their browsers. This is still regarded as ciminal negligence in
> organisations with a tendency towards security - which by definition does
> not include those running certain browsers which shall remain nameless.[/color]
"8-D[color=blue]
>
> Just my $0.02[/color]

Which, in turn means, like 85% of the market... (the nameless one, I
mean...)

:-)

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Dag.

**CountScubula** · Jul 17 '05, 03:59 AM

Re: weakness in ASP.NET?

"Dag Sunde" <ds.nope@orion. no.way> wrote in message
news:l2w1c.4301 0$BD3.8194318@j uliett.dax.net. ..[color=blue]
> "Chung Leong" <chernyshevsky@ hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:g-idnealiJDFHNvdR Vn-vg@comcast.com. ..[color=green]
> > Lack of flexibility. Total reliance on Javascript.[/color]
>
> Ehhh?
>
> Define "Lack of flexibility".
>
> "Total reliance on Javascript"???
>
> I've written 25-30 medium sized sites & web applications in
> Asp.net now, and I don't quite understand that statement?
>[/color]

Just out of curiosity, not trying to spring a debate, but where those sites
just written using .asp (active server pages), or were they using remote
objects as to the core of .NET? As in Aplication Serving over http via .NET
that requires a .NET server, not just IIS with .asp parsing.

--
Mike Bradley
http://www.gzentools.com -- free online php tools

**Dag Sunde** · Jul 17 '05, 03:59 AM

Re: weakness in ASP.NET?

"CountScubu la" <me@scantek.hot mail.com> wrote in message
news:yHw1c.3318 6$H45.20738@new ssvr25.news.pro digy.com...[color=blue]
> "Dag Sunde" <ds.nope@orion. no.way> wrote in message
> news:l2w1c.4301 0$BD3.8194318@j uliett.dax.net. ..[color=green]
> > "Chung Leong" <chernyshevsky@ hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:g-idnealiJDFHNvdR Vn-vg@comcast.com. ..[color=darkred]
> > > Lack of flexibility. Total reliance on Javascript.[/color]
> >
> > Ehhh?
> >
> > Define "Lack of flexibility".
> >
> > "Total reliance on Javascript"???
> >
> > I've written 25-30 medium sized sites & web applications in
> > Asp.net now, and I don't quite understand that statement?
> >[/color]
>
>
> Just out of curiosity, not trying to spring a debate, but where those[/color]
sites[color=blue]
> just written using .asp (active server pages), or were they using remote
> objects as to the core of .NET? As in Aplication Serving over http via[/color]
..NET[color=blue]
> that requires a .NET server, not just IIS with .asp parsing.
>[/color]

Sorry... My terminology...

Site = .asp
Web App = remote objects (.Net server)

So... some of each... Mostly Web-apps.

**Markus Ernst** · Jul 17 '05, 03:59 AM

Re: weakness in ASP.NET?

"Alan Zhong" <alanchinese@ya hoo.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:b09c98a8.0 403031141.30682 91f@posting.goo gle.com...[color=blue]
> hi, from PHP or JSP users' mind, what's the weakness with ASP.NET?
> any opinions are appreciated.
> side question: is it true that ASP.NET can only be used with IIS? is
> IIS a huge trouble maker? will IIS affect the performance of ASP.NET?
> thankx.[/color]

If you like working with editors and don't really want to care about how
things work (as long as they do work) you might prefer the Microsoft way and
Visual Studio.

If you want to keep control about everything and do not rely on the ease of
an editor you will prefer PHP.

--
Markus

**Chung Leong** · Jul 17 '05, 03:59 AM

Re: weakness in ASP.NET?

By total reliance on Javascript I'm referring to ASP.Net's event-driven
model, which doesn't work if Javascript is disabled.

Uzytkownik "Dag Sunde" <ds.nope@orion. no.way> napisal w wiadomosci
news:l2w1c.4301 0$BD3.8194318@j uliett.dax.net. ..[color=blue]
> "Chung Leong" <chernyshevsky@ hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:g-idnealiJDFHNvdR Vn-vg@comcast.com. ..[color=green]
> > Lack of flexibility. Total reliance on Javascript.[/color]
>
> Ehhh?
>
> Define "Lack of flexibility".
>
> "Total reliance on Javascript"???
>
> I've written 25-30 medium sized sites & web applications in
> Asp.net now, and I don't quite understand that statement?
>
> In web applictions, the only feasible client-side language
> *is* JavaScript! I don't understand what this have to do
> with Asp.Net?
>[color=green]
> >
> > Uzytkownik "Alan Zhong" <alanchinese@ya hoo.com> napisal w wiadomosci
> > news:b09c98a8.0 403031141.30682 91f@posting.goo gle.com...[color=darkred]
> > > hi, from PHP or JSP users' mind, what's the weakness with ASP.NET?
> > > any opinions are appreciated.[/color][/color]
>
> The weakness IMO, is the vendor "lock-in" and the total lack of cross
> platform availability.
>[color=green][color=darkred]
> > > side question: is it true that ASP.NET can only be used with IIS?[/color][/color]
>
> To my knowledge, yes. It is true that the full ASP.NET system can only
> be used with IIS.
>
> (There is something called "Mono"(?), that is a U*ix implementation
> of the CLR, that is supposed to run ASP.Net scripts, but I don't
> know anything about it's state).
>[color=green][color=darkred]
> > > Is IIS a huge trouble maker?[/color][/color]
>
> Depends on what you mean by "trouble maker". Several of my sites run on
> IIS without any problems so far. But yes, there have been more security
> issues involving IIS that i.e Apache.
>[color=green][color=darkred]
> > > Will IIS affect the performance of ASP.NET?[/color][/color]
>
> As long as ASP.NET only run properly under IIS, of course it will!
>
> --
> Dag.
>
>[/color]

**Savut** · Jul 17 '05, 04:04 AM

Re: weakness in ASP.NET?

That true when you need even-based webpage, but we need javascript to do so
on the client side, so what's the problem, even you do a website in PHP, JSP
or whatever, you will all need JS to do the same thing.

Savut

"Chung Leong" <chernyshevsky@ hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:XZadnWHwn7 hlXdrdRVn-ug@comcast.com. ..[color=blue]
> By total reliance on Javascript I'm referring to ASP.Net's event-driven
> model, which doesn't work if Javascript is disabled.
>
> Uzytkownik "Dag Sunde" <ds.nope@orion. no.way> napisal w wiadomosci
> news:l2w1c.4301 0$BD3.8194318@j uliett.dax.net. ..[color=green]
> > "Chung Leong" <chernyshevsky@ hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:g-idnealiJDFHNvdR Vn-vg@comcast.com. ..[color=darkred]
> > > Lack of flexibility. Total reliance on Javascript.[/color]
> >
> > Ehhh?
> >
> > Define "Lack of flexibility".
> >
> > "Total reliance on Javascript"???
> >
> > I've written 25-30 medium sized sites & web applications in
> > Asp.net now, and I don't quite understand that statement?
> >
> > In web applictions, the only feasible client-side language
> > *is* JavaScript! I don't understand what this have to do
> > with Asp.Net?
> >[color=darkred]
> > >
> > > Uzytkownik "Alan Zhong" <alanchinese@ya hoo.com> napisal w wiadomosci
> > > news:b09c98a8.0 403031141.30682 91f@posting.goo gle.com...
> > > > hi, from PHP or JSP users' mind, what's the weakness with ASP.NET?
> > > > any opinions are appreciated.[/color]
> >
> > The weakness IMO, is the vendor "lock-in" and the total lack of cross
> > platform availability.
> >[color=darkred]
> > > > side question: is it true that ASP.NET can only be used with IIS?[/color]
> >
> > To my knowledge, yes. It is true that the full ASP.NET system can only
> > be used with IIS.
> >
> > (There is something called "Mono"(?), that is a U*ix implementation
> > of the CLR, that is supposed to run ASP.Net scripts, but I don't
> > know anything about it's state).
> >[color=darkred]
> > > > Is IIS a huge trouble maker?[/color]
> >
> > Depends on what you mean by "trouble maker". Several of my sites run on
> > IIS without any problems so far. But yes, there have been more security
> > issues involving IIS that i.e Apache.
> >[color=darkred]
> > > > Will IIS affect the performance of ASP.NET?[/color]
> >
> > As long as ASP.NET only run properly under IIS, of course it will!
> >
> > --
> > Dag.
> >
> >[/color]
>
>[/color]

**Savut** · Jul 17 '05, 04:04 AM

Re: weakness in ASP.NET?

You dont have to use the wizard all the time, myself, I mostly create
ASP.NET website by hardcoding myself the code. It like you telling HTML is
not good because WYSIWYG is poor coding.

Savut

"Markus Ernst" <derernst@NO#SP #AMgmx.ch> wrote in message
news:4046f654$0 $9001$afc38c87@ news.easynet.ch ...[color=blue]
> "Alan Zhong" <alanchinese@ya hoo.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
> news:b09c98a8.0 403031141.30682 91f@posting.goo gle.com...[color=green]
> > hi, from PHP or JSP users' mind, what's the weakness with ASP.NET?
> > any opinions are appreciated.
> > side question: is it true that ASP.NET can only be used with IIS? is
> > IIS a huge trouble maker? will IIS affect the performance of ASP.NET?
> > thankx.[/color]
>
> If you like working with editors and don't really want to care about how
> things work (as long as they do work) you might prefer the Microsoft way[/color]
and[color=blue]
> Visual Studio.
>
> If you want to keep control about everything and do not rely on the ease[/color]
of[color=blue]
> an editor you will prefer PHP.
>
> --
> Markus
>
>[/color]