What Script Does This SIte Use?

[Market Mutant]

www.51.ca is a nice site, and I want to build something similar and wonder
if anyone knows if they are using PHPNuke or other nukes or they wrote
everything themselves. What is the signature thing in a nuke. Can you tell
it from how they name their files and directories or how the session IDs are
shown etc?

[Matthias Gutfeldt]

Re: What Script Does This SIte Use?

Market Mutant wrote:[color=blue]
> www.51.ca is a nice site, and I want to build something similar and wonder
> if anyone knows if they are using PHPNuke or other nukes or they wrote
> everything themselves. What is the signature thing in a nuke. Can you tell
> it from how they name their files and directories or how the session IDs are
> shown etc?[/color]

I know the site's in Chinese, but the simple thing would be to send them
an e-mail and ask. They know enough English to borrow English javascripts.

And whatever they used to build the site sucks seriously. It's a
non-valid and complicated mess of legacy code.


Matthias

[Savut]

Re: What Script Does This SIte Use?

This site is not well created, it seem to be created by a newbs programmer.
The code are badly nested and some basic concepts of html and http protocol
are missing. Even the html use lot of deprecated tags. Well if you have to
create a site like this, better create from scratch, dont copy this one. And
he even forgot to escape chinese characters for other browsers support.

Anyway that's my first review of client side coding, it would be cool if you
can ask the webmaster for some code so I can review his server-side coding.

Savut

"Market Mutant" <test@test.co m> wrote in message
news:FmLPb.8525 2$6y6.1712087@b gtnsc05-news.ops.worldn et.att.net...[color=blue]
> www.51.ca is a nice site, and I want to build something similar and wonder
> if anyone knows if they are using PHPNuke or other nukes or they wrote
> everything themselves. What is the signature thing in a nuke. Can you tell
> it from how they name their files and directories or how the session IDs[/color]
are[color=blue]
> shown etc?
>
>[/color]

[Market Mutant]

Re: What Script Does This SIte Use?

I am a competitor, and he is not writing me back.

What do you mean non-valid complicated mess of lagacy code? It just looks
fine for me when I view it. I like the layout, the color and they have web
based mail, forum, news, classfied ads. everything together on the site. It
is said it is run by 2 brothers who 1 does not have a job and the other
sells cell phones for living.

I have heard somebody said PHPNuke is a complete mess as well, but they are
the No1 popular freee CMS now, same as PHPBB.
[color=blue]
> Market Mutant wrote:[color=green]
> > www.51.ca is a nice site, and I want to build something similar and[/color][/color]
wonder[color=blue][color=green]
> > if anyone knows if they are using PHPNuke or other nukes or they wrote
> > everything themselves. What is the signature thing in a nuke. Can you[/color][/color]
tell[color=blue][color=green]
> > it from how they name their files and directories or how the session IDs[/color][/color]
are[color=blue][color=green]
> > shown etc?[/color]
>
> I know the site's in Chinese, but the simple thing would be to send them
> an e-mail and ask. They know enough English to borrow English javascripts.
>
> And whatever they used to build the site sucks seriously. It's a
> non-valid and complicated mess of legacy code.
>
>
> Matthias
>[/color]

[Chung Leong]

Re: What Script Does This SIte Use?

Hey, check out the phpinfo page!

http://www.51.ca/phpinfo.php

Uzytkownik "Savut" <webki@hotmail. com> napisal w wiadomosci
news:J5VPb.1694 4$U77.1316523@n ews20.bellgloba l.com...[color=blue]
> This site is not well created, it seem to be created by a newbs[/color]
programmer.[color=blue]
> The code are badly nested and some basic concepts of html and http[/color]
protocol[color=blue]
> are missing. Even the html use lot of deprecated tags. Well if you have[/color]
to[color=blue]
> create a site like this, better create from scratch, dont copy this one.[/color]
And[color=blue]
> he even forgot to escape chinese characters for other browsers support.
>
> Anyway that's my first review of client side coding, it would be cool if[/color]
you[color=blue]
> can ask the webmaster for some code so I can review his server-side[/color]
coding.[color=blue]
>
> Savut
>
> "Market Mutant" <test@test.co m> wrote in message
> news:FmLPb.8525 2$6y6.1712087@b gtnsc05-news.ops.worldn et.att.net...[color=green]
> > www.51.ca is a nice site, and I want to build something similar and[/color][/color]
wonder[color=blue][color=green]
> > if anyone knows if they are using PHPNuke or other nukes or they wrote
> > everything themselves. What is the signature thing in a nuke. Can you[/color][/color]
tell[color=blue][color=green]
> > it from how they name their files and directories or how the session IDs[/color]
> are[color=green]
> > shown etc?
> >
> >[/color]
>
>[/color]

[Matthias Gutfeldt]

Re: What Script Does This SIte Use?

(TOFU fixed)

Market Mutant wrote:[color=blue][color=green]
>>Market Mutant wrote:
>>[color=darkred]
>>>www.51.ca[/color]
>>
>>I know the site's in Chinese, but the simple thing would be to send them
>>an e-mail and ask. They know enough English to borrow English javascripts.[/color]
>
> I am a competitor, and he is not writing me back.[/color]

OK, I can understand that.
[color=blue][color=green]
>>And whatever they used to build the site sucks seriously. It's a
>>non-valid and complicated mess of legacy code.[/color]
>
> What do you mean non-valid complicated mess of lagacy code? It
> just looks fine for me when I view it.[/color]

Well, just View Source and/or run it through a validator. Of course, if
you don't know HTML, then you probably won't notice how broken it is.


Matthias

[Savut]

Re: What Script Does This SIte Use?

you said so because you dont know all html very well, see
http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=www.51.ca (more than 612 errors for html
4.1 LOL)
http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=ht...type=XHTML+1.1
(more than 1813 errors for XHTML 1.1 LOL)

Man you see now what I mean ;)

Savut

"Market Mutant" <test@test.co m> wrote in message
news:1YXPb.8897 0$6y6.1784114@b gtnsc05-news.ops.worldn et.att.net...[color=blue]
> I am a competitor, and he is not writing me back.
>
> What do you mean non-valid complicated mess of lagacy code? It just looks
> fine for me when I view it. I like the layout, the color and they have web
> based mail, forum, news, classfied ads. everything together on the site.[/color]
It[color=blue]
> is said it is run by 2 brothers who 1 does not have a job and the other
> sells cell phones for living.
>
> I have heard somebody said PHPNuke is a complete mess as well, but they[/color]
are[color=blue]
> the No1 popular freee CMS now, same as PHPBB.
>[color=green]
> > Market Mutant wrote:[color=darkred]
> > > www.51.ca is a nice site, and I want to build something similar and[/color][/color]
> wonder[color=green][color=darkred]
> > > if anyone knows if they are using PHPNuke or other nukes or they wrote
> > > everything themselves. What is the signature thing in a nuke. Can you[/color][/color]
> tell[color=green][color=darkred]
> > > it from how they name their files and directories or how the session[/color][/color][/color]
IDs[color=blue]
> are[color=green][color=darkred]
> > > shown etc?[/color]
> >
> > I know the site's in Chinese, but the simple thing would be to send them
> > an e-mail and ask. They know enough English to borrow English[/color][/color]
javascripts.[color=blue][color=green]
> >
> > And whatever they used to build the site sucks seriously. It's a
> > non-valid and complicated mess of legacy code.
> >
> >
> > Matthias
> >[/color]
>
>[/color]

[Savut]

Re: What Script Does This SIte Use?

I mean PHP code. Well The Apache config is not very useful, since it dont
have lot of feature yet, missing some stuff, but taht doesn't mean if the
website is well coded or not ;)

Savut

"Chung Leong" <chernyshevsky@ hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:YsidnSSsKu r17I3d4p2dnA@co mcast.com...[color=blue]
> Hey, check out the phpinfo page!
>
> http://www.51.ca/phpinfo.php
>
> Uzytkownik "Savut" <webki@hotmail. com> napisal w wiadomosci
> news:J5VPb.1694 4$U77.1316523@n ews20.bellgloba l.com...[color=green]
> > This site is not well created, it seem to be created by a newbs[/color]
> programmer.[color=green]
> > The code are badly nested and some basic concepts of html and http[/color]
> protocol[color=green]
> > are missing. Even the html use lot of deprecated tags. Well if you have[/color]
> to[color=green]
> > create a site like this, better create from scratch, dont copy this one.[/color]
> And[color=green]
> > he even forgot to escape chinese characters for other browsers support.
> >
> > Anyway that's my first review of client side coding, it would be cool if[/color]
> you[color=green]
> > can ask the webmaster for some code so I can review his server-side[/color]
> coding.[color=green]
> >
> > Savut
> >
> > "Market Mutant" <test@test.co m> wrote in message
> > news:FmLPb.8525 2$6y6.1712087@b gtnsc05-news.ops.worldn et.att.net...[color=darkred]
> > > www.51.ca is a nice site, and I want to build something similar and[/color][/color]
> wonder[color=green][color=darkred]
> > > if anyone knows if they are using PHPNuke or other nukes or they wrote
> > > everything themselves. What is the signature thing in a nuke. Can you[/color][/color]
> tell[color=green][color=darkred]
> > > it from how they name their files and directories or how the session[/color][/color][/color]
IDs[color=blue][color=green]
> > are[color=darkred]
> > > shown etc?
> > >
> > >[/color]
> >
> >[/color]
>
>[/color]

[Market Mutant]

Re: What Script Does This SIte Use?

> you said so because you dont know all html very well, see[color=blue]
> http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=www.51.ca (more than 612 errors for[/color]
html[color=blue]
> 4.1 LOL)
>[/color]
http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=ht...type=XHTML+1.1[color=blue]
> (more than 1813 errors for XHTML 1.1 LOL)
>
> Man you see now what I mean ;)
>[/color]

It looks perfect in IE, Netscape and Opera. So, why should a webmaster care?
Speed or Security?

[Lothar Scholz]

Re: What Script Does This SIte Use?

"Market Mutant" <test@test.co m> wrote in message news:<sMjQb.655 1$6O4.182425@bg tnsc04-news.ops.worldn et.att.net>...[color=blue][color=green]
> > you said so because you dont know all html very well, see
> > http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=www.51.ca (more than 612 errors for[/color]
> html[color=green]
> > 4.1 LOL)
> >[/color]
> http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=ht...type=XHTML+1.1[color=green]
> > (more than 1813 errors for XHTML 1.1 LOL)
> >
> > Man you see now what I mean ;)
> >[/color]
>
> It looks perfect in IE, Netscape and Opera. So, why should a webmaster care?
> Speed or Security?[/color]

I don't know what they mean. This is a typical programmer against the
rest of the world viewpoint. I checked one of the most popular german
websites

http://www.spiegel.de with 415 errors

and even the simple

http://groups.google.com has 95 errors.

And most of the errors are errors of the validator. If it is also
displayed on linux browsers then it's okay.

[John Dunlop]

Re: What Script Does This SIte Use?

Lothar Scholz wrote:
[color=blue]
> http://groups.google.com has 95 errors.
>
> And most of the errors are errors of the validator.[/color]

Please clarify what you mean by "errors of the validator"?

--
Jock

[John Dunlop]

Re: What Script Does This SIte Use?

Lothar Scholz wrote:
[color=blue]
> http://groups.google.com has 95 errors.
>
> And most of the errors are errors of the validator.[/color]

Please clarify what you mean by "errors of the validator".

--
Jock

[Matthias Gutfeldt]

Re: What Script Does This SIte Use?

Lothar Scholz schrieb:[color=blue]
>
> "Market Mutant" <test@test.co m> wrote in message news:<sMjQb.655 1$6O4.182425@bg tnsc04-news.ops.worldn et.att.net>...[color=green][color=darkred]
> > > you said so because you dont know all html very well, see
> > > http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=www.51.ca (more than 612 errors for[/color]
> > html[color=darkred]
> > > 4.1 LOL)
> > >[/color]
> > http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=ht...type=XHTML+1.1[color=darkred]
> > > (more than 1813 errors for XHTML 1.1 LOL)
> > >
> > > Man you see now what I mean ;)
> > >[/color]
> >
> > It looks perfect in IE, Netscape and Opera. So, why should a webmaster care?
> > Speed or Security?[/color]
>
> I don't know what they mean. This is a typical programmer against the
> rest of the world viewpoint.[/color]

I think you're confusing programming and markup. HTML is not a
programming language, it's a markup language. A PHP author would be well
advised to consult with a proficient HTML author to guarantee that the
HTML output of his PHP script is of the same high quality as the PHP
script itself.


Matthias

[Matthias Gutfeldt]

Re: What Script Does This SIte Use?

Market Mutant schrieb:[color=blue]
>[color=green]
> > you said so because you dont know all html very well, see
> > http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=www.51.ca (more than 612 errors for[/color]
> html[color=green]
> > 4.1 LOL)
> >[/color]
> http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=ht...type=XHTML+1.1[color=green]
> > (more than 1813 errors for XHTML 1.1 LOL)
> >
> > Man you see now what I mean ;)
> >[/color]
>
> It looks perfect in IE, Netscape and Opera. So, why should a webmaster care?
> Speed or Security?[/color]

With HTML the issue is rarely security, that's the job of the PHP
script. The issue is usually download speed, rendering speed, code
robustness, and maintenance cost.


Matthias

[Savut]

Re: What Script Does This SIte Use?

A good understand of HTML mean a good programming work also, you know what I
mean as programmer should never leak in what they do, so if a program work
the way you want but it's not well written, with lot of flaw, do this mean
it still a good stuff ? No... so who care, every programmer that see the
code. First of all, let take a look at the validator, it's used to verify
how good you write the code, It's doesn't mean it won't show up on the
browser even you got like 300 errors, but it mean you dont know html at all.
And if you dont even know a markup language, you can't do a good work in any
website. you said it's good on all browser, well it's not showing at all on
konqueror and even my palm can't see it, it's not a big deal but HTML should
be readable by all browser, so get it validated before to post a shit. By
the way, errors that I get with google is just a question of language
settings and invalid characters, not a badly nested code. I even see some
stuff on your site like this on the <body> directly.

<div>... </div>
<br>

Dont you know a <br> can't be in the body directly, he must be on a block...
Learn the basic before creating a junk website.

Savut

"Market Mutant" <test@test.co m> wrote in message
news:sMjQb.6551 $6O4.182425@bgt nsc04-news.ops.worldn et.att.net...[color=blue][color=green]
> > you said so because you dont know all html very well, see
> > http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=www.51.ca (more than 612 errors for[/color]
> html[color=green]
> > 4.1 LOL)
> >[/color]
>[/color]
http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=ht...type=XHTML+1.1[color=blue][color=green]
> > (more than 1813 errors for XHTML 1.1 LOL)
> >
> > Man you see now what I mean ;)
> >[/color]
>
> It looks perfect in IE, Netscape and Opera. So, why should a webmaster[/color]
care?[color=blue]
> Speed or Security?
>
>[/color]