Setting of <? and <?php

[wing]

Hi,

I'm now doing web programming using PHP. I need to use <?php instead of <?
for PHP scripts.

How do I configure PHP so that it can recognize <? as well??

Thanks in advance
Wing

[Tim Van Wassenhove]

Re: Setting of &lt;? and &lt;?php

On 2004-01-14, wing <wing@wing.co m> wrote:[color=blue]
> Hi,
>
> I'm now doing web programming using PHP. I need to use <?php instead of <?
> for PHP scripts.
>
> How do I configure PHP so that it can recognize <? as well??[/color]

short_open_tag = on

But be aware, there are some issues you should be aware of when using
it.

--

http://home.mysth.be/~timvw

[wing]

Re: Setting of &lt;? and &lt;?php

"Tim Van Wassenhove" <euki@pi.be> ¦b¶l¥ó
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> On 2004-01-14, wing <wing@wing.co m> wrote:[color=green]
> > Hi,
> >
> > I'm now doing web programming using PHP. I need to use <?php instead of[/color][/color]
<?[color=blue][color=green]
> > for PHP scripts.
> >
> > How do I configure PHP so that it can recognize <? as well??[/color]
>
> short_open_tag = on
>
> But be aware, there are some issues you should be aware of when using
> it.[/color]
Thanks for your reply but can you please specify what needs to be aware of??

Wing

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>
> --
> http://home.mysth.be/~timvw[/color]

[Rahul Anand]

Re: Setting of &lt;? and &lt;?php

"wing" <wing@wing.co m> wrote in message news:<bu2pfr$gn k$1@news.ust.hk >...[color=blue]
> Hi,
>
> I'm now doing web programming using PHP. I need to use <?php instead of <?
> for PHP scripts.
>
> How do I configure PHP so that it can recognize <? as well??
>
> Thanks in advance
> Wing[/color]

Review the following section in *php.ini* file.

[SNIP]

; Allow the <? tag. Otherwise, only <?php and <script> tags are
recognized.
; NOTE: Using short tags should be avoided when developing
applications or
; libraries that are meant for redistribution, or deployment on PHP
; servers which are not under your control, because short tags may not
; be supported on the target server. For portable, redistributable
code,
; be sure not to use short tags.
short_open_tag = On

[/SNIP]

You can enable or disable *short_open_tag * (<?) by writing On or Off
respectively in your php.ini file.

--
Cheers,
Rahul

[Agelmar]

Re: Setting of &lt;? and &lt;?php

wing wrote:[color=blue]
> "Tim Van Wassenhove" <euki@pi.be> ¦b¶l¥ó
> news:bu2til$cpq l1$1@ID-188825.news.uni-berlin.de ¤¤¼¶¼g...[color=green]
>> On 2004-01-14, wing <wing@wing.co m> wrote:[color=darkred]
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I'm now doing web programming using PHP. I need to use <?php
>>> instead of <? for PHP scripts.
>>>
>>> How do I configure PHP so that it can recognize <? as well??[/color]
>>
>> short_open_tag = on
>>
>> But be aware, there are some issues you should be aware of when using
>> it.[/color]
> Thanks for your reply but can you please specify what needs to be
> aware of??
>
> Wing[/color]

If you're using XML, it's a pain in the ass because PHP will think that your
XML is PHP. Seriously, leave short tags off, it's bad style.

[Jochen Buennagel]

Re: Setting of &lt;? and &lt;?php

Agelmar wrote:
[color=blue]
> If you're using XML, it's a pain in the ass because PHP will think that your
> XML is PHP. Seriously, leave short tags off, it's bad style.[/color]

That is the standard argument (and the only one) I always hear against
short tags, and the argument I hear against using them in a script is
that it doesn't run with short tags off otherwise.

However, since short_open_tags = on is the default setting, turning them
off is (should be) a concious effort, so noone does it without a reason.
All hosting companies I know leave the default setting, so I see
nothing wrong with using the short tags. (For one thing "<?=" looks so
much neater in a template than "<?php echo".)

If someone absolutely has to have the tags off, they can use a per-dir
setting or use one simple sed command to change a whole application to
long tags, so I don't see why I should burden myself (and the template
designers) with long tags just because the style police says so.

LLAP,
Jochen

[Agelmar]

Re: Setting of &lt;? and &lt;?php

Jochen Buennagel wrote:[color=blue]
> Agelmar wrote:
>[color=green]
>> If you're using XML, it's a pain in the ass because PHP will think
>> that your XML is PHP. Seriously, leave short tags off, it's bad
>> style.[/color]
>
> That is the standard argument (and the only one) I always hear against
> short tags, and the argument I hear against using them in a script is
> that it doesn't run with short tags off otherwise.
>
> However, since short_open_tags = on is the default setting, turning
> them
> off is (should be) a concious effort, so noone does it without a
> reason. All hosting companies I know leave the default setting, so
> I see
> nothing wrong with using the short tags. (For one thing "<?=" looks so
> much neater in a template than "<?php echo".)
>
> If someone absolutely has to have the tags off, they can use a per-dir
> setting or use one simple sed command to change a whole application to
> long tags, so I don't see why I should burden myself (and the template
> designers) with long tags just because the style police says so.
>
> LLAP,
> Jochen[/color]

Just because poor style works doesn't mean you should use it. I can forgoe
all array subscripting in C and just use arrayName + whatever*sizeof (int)
instead of arrayName[whatever] - does that mean I should? <?php will work on
all platforms. <? will not. Thus, if you care about compatibility, it's a no
brainer.

[Chung Leong]

Re: Setting of &lt;? and &lt;?php

Both <?php and <? are poor style. We should all use <script
language="php"> </script> instead.

Uzytkownik "Agelmar" <ifetteNOSPAM@c omcast.net> napisal w wiadomosci
news:bu4kik$d8o b3$1@ID-30799.news.uni-berlin.de...[color=blue]
> Jochen Buennagel wrote:[color=green]
> > Agelmar wrote:
> >[color=darkred]
> >> If you're using XML, it's a pain in the ass because PHP will think
> >> that your XML is PHP. Seriously, leave short tags off, it's bad
> >> style.[/color]
> >
> > That is the standard argument (and the only one) I always hear against
> > short tags, and the argument I hear against using them in a script is
> > that it doesn't run with short tags off otherwise.
> >
> > However, since short_open_tags = on is the default setting, turning
> > them
> > off is (should be) a concious effort, so noone does it without a
> > reason. All hosting companies I know leave the default setting, so
> > I see
> > nothing wrong with using the short tags. (For one thing "<?=" looks so
> > much neater in a template than "<?php echo".)
> >
> > If someone absolutely has to have the tags off, they can use a per-dir
> > setting or use one simple sed command to change a whole application to
> > long tags, so I don't see why I should burden myself (and the template
> > designers) with long tags just because the style police says so.
> >
> > LLAP,
> > Jochen[/color]
>
> Just because poor style works doesn't mean you should use it. I can forgoe
> all array subscripting in C and just use arrayName + whatever*sizeof (int)
> instead of arrayName[whatever] - does that mean I should? <?php will work[/color]
on[color=blue]
> all platforms. <? will not. Thus, if you care about compatibility, it's a[/color]
no[color=blue]
> brainer.
>
>[/color]

[Agelmar]

Re: Setting of &lt;? and &lt;?php

Chung Leong wrote:[color=blue]
> Both <?php and <? are poor style. We should all use <script
> language="php"> </script> instead.[/color]

Hmm... actually, that's not a bad suggestion.

[Jochen Buennagel]

Re: Setting of &lt;? and &lt;?php

Agelmar wrote:
Thus, if you care about compatibility, it's a no brainer.

I've never had any complaints yet (except from the style police).

[John Dunlop]

Re: Setting of &lt;? and &lt;?php

Chung Leong wrote upsidedown:
[color=blue]
> We should all use <script language="php"> </script> instead.[/color]

So would I be correct in thinking that you reckon we should take
incompetent editors into consideration? Why? Or did you just forget
the smiley? What really makes you disagree with The Manual?

--
Jock

[Savut]

Re: Setting of &lt;? and &lt;?php

XML use <? also

Savut

"wing" <wing@wing.co m> wrote in message news:bu2pfr$gnk $1@news.ust.hk. ..[color=blue]
> Hi,
>
> I'm now doing web programming using PHP. I need to use <?php instead of <?
> for PHP scripts.
>
> How do I configure PHP so that it can recognize <? as well??
>
> Thanks in advance
> Wing
>
>[/color]

[Chung Leong]

Re: Setting of &lt;? and &lt;?php

See http://www.php.net/manual/en/function.is-sarcasm.php for more info.

Uzytkownik "John Dunlop" <john+usenet@jo hndunlop.info> napisal w wiadomosci
news:MPG.1a7091 53b419e1a09897e a@news.freeserv e.net...[color=blue]
> Chung Leong wrote upsidedown:
>[color=green]
> > We should all use <script language="php"> </script> instead.[/color]
>
> So would I be correct in thinking that you reckon we should take
> incompetent editors into consideration? Why? Or did you just forget
> the smiley? What really makes you disagree with The Manual?
>
> --
> Jock[/color]

[Jochen Buennagel]

Re: Setting of &lt;? and &lt;?php

Chung Leong wrote:[color=blue]
> See http://www.php.net/manual/en/function.is-sarcasm.php for more info.[/color]

There are no dashes in function names, so the correct link should be
http://www.php.net/manual/en/function.is_sarcasm.php ;-)

Jochen

[John Dunlop]

Re: Setting of &lt;? and &lt;?php

Chung Leong wrote upsidedown:
[color=blue]
> Uzytkownik "John Dunlop" <john+usenet@jo hndunlop.info> napisal w wiadomosci
> news:MPG.1a7091 53b419e1a09897e a@news.freeserv e.net...[color=green]
> > Chung Leong wrote upsidedown:
> >[color=darkred]
> > > We should all use <script language="php"> </script> instead.[/color]
> >
> > So would I be correct in thinking that you reckon we should take
> > incompetent editors into consideration? Why? Or did you just forget
> > the smiley? What really makes you disagree with The Manual?[/color]
>
> See http://www.php.net/manual/en/function.is-sarcasm.php for more info.[/color]

Right, OK, OK. A smiley would've helped me there! :-]

http://www.google.com/googlegroups/posting_style.html#humor

http://sic.epfl.ch/SA/News/Smiley.html

But in all earnest, your sarcastic recommendation is surely
reasonable, since AFAIK, the "<script... >" PHP tag is the only one
that is supported everywhere. I have no idea why a not-very-well-
documented, deprecated HTML notation was chosen as PHP tags though --
that'd be another discussion altogether.

The Manual says that even "<?php" won't work on editors that don't
grok processing instructions, and, <sarcasm>lo and behold</sarcasm>,
FrontPage is given as an example. That doesn't stop them from
recommending using "<?php" though. I'm with them on that.

EOD?

--
Jock