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  • Data Goob

    #31
    Re: db2 vs oracle

    Daniel,

    Did it ever occur to you that you butted into a conversation as an uninvited guest?
    ( on several different points I might add )

    Wouldn't it be better to let Mark speak for himself? He was on a roll and I was
    getting some good information into the mind of Oracle marketing.

    If you must butt in, show some courtesy and at least have the decency to put your
    drink down before ranting instead of spilling it all over people. Dear god man.

    Anyway, I do appreciate your passion as well as Marks' but the devil is in the
    details where I come from. Marketing is wonderful but eventually Oracle has to
    pony up with reality. Sun is going through their reality check, along with SCO,
    for Oracle it's just a matter of time. Larry doesn't have a vision for the
    future because his vision has come and gone. Once he steps aside the company
    can morph, but if he stays too long it'll be the end of it. Sun missed it, SCO
    missed it, Unisys, DEC, the list gets longer every day. As Gordon Gecko said,
    it's not the survival of the unfittest.

    Daniel Morgan wrote:[color=blue]
    > Data Goob wrote:
    >[color=green]
    >> Mark Townsend wrote:
    >>[color=darkred]
    >>> Data Goob wrote:
    >>>
    >>>>
    >>>> Actually to get you back on track, read through Larry's book, the
    >>>> words are
    >>>> in the book, not quoting, but close enough, Oracle is more about
    >>>> applications
    >>>> than databases. ( the book is "SOFTWAR" )
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>
    >>> I have the book. I have read the book. If you like to send me an
    >>> address offline, I'll send it to you. Then you can actually quote
    >>> chapter and verse to your heart's content.
    >>>[/color]
    >> Thanks but no thanks. I'll rely on my brief encounter with this tour
    >> de force in errors and omissions as having been enough reading about
    >> Larry and his obsessions for a while. It's a bit confusing to me
    >> when it comes to Oracle people, but also Microsoft people as well,
    >> are they passionate about the marketing or the technology? ( I think I
    >> already know the answer, no need to reply. )[/color]
    >
    >
    > Away with the facade of caring about truth and accuracy? This is the new
    > century and if politicans and lawyers can ignore the facts why not you
    > too is what I take away from your comment.[/color]

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    • Daniel Morgan

      #32
      Re: db2 vs oracle

      Data Goob wrote:
      [color=blue]
      > Daniel,
      >
      > Did it ever occur to you that you butted into a conversation as an
      > uninvited guest?
      > ( on several different points I might add )[/color]

      Which part of 'you posted to comp.databases. oracle.server' didn't you
      understand? Did you think c.d.o.server was an IBM DB2 usenet group or
      did you think it was an appropriate place for private conversations.

      If you need help understanding the public nature of the internet I
      would be happy to suggest some local community college classes for you.

      --
      Daniel A. Morgan
      University of Washington
      damorgan@x.wash ington.edu
      (replace 'x' with 'u' to respond)

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      • Jean-David Beyer

        #33
        Re: db2 vs oracle

        Daniel Morgan wrote:[color=blue]
        > Data Goob wrote:
        >[color=green]
        >> Daniel,
        >>
        >> Did it ever occur to you that you butted into a conversation as an
        >> uninvited guest?
        >> ( on several different points I might add )[/color]
        >
        >
        > Which part of 'you posted to comp.databases. oracle.server' didn't you
        > understand? Did you think c.d.o.server was an IBM DB2 usenet group or
        > did you think it was an appropriate place for private conversations.[/color]

        The trouble is that most, if not all, of these posts are cross-posted to
        comp.databases. ibm-db2 as well, so you will have to expect replies from
        people on the ibm-db2 newsgroup as well.[color=blue]
        >
        > If you need help understanding the public nature of the internet I
        > would be happy to suggest some local community college classes for you.
        >[/color]


        --
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        /V\ Registered Machine 241939.
        /( )\ Shrewsbury, New Jersey http://counter.li.org
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        • Daniel A. Morgan

          #34
          Re: db2 vs oracle

          Jean-David Beyer wrote:[color=blue]
          > Daniel Morgan wrote:
          >[color=green]
          >> Data Goob wrote:
          >>[color=darkred]
          >>> Daniel,
          >>>
          >>> Did it ever occur to you that you butted into a conversation as an
          >>> uninvited guest?
          >>> ( on several different points I might add )[/color]
          >>
          >>
          >>
          >> Which part of 'you posted to comp.databases. oracle.server' didn't you
          >> understand? Did you think c.d.o.server was an IBM DB2 usenet group or
          >> did you think it was an appropriate place for private conversations.[/color]
          >
          >
          > The trouble is that most, if not all, of these posts are cross-posted to
          > comp.databases. ibm-db2 as well, so you will have to expect replies from
          > people on the ibm-db2 newsgroup as well.[/color]

          Exactly. So if someone wishes to communicate in a single usenet group
          it is incumbent upon that person to edit the group list. And if they
          wish a private communication they should respond to the OP directly.

          --
          Daniel A. Morgan
          University of Washington
          damorgan@x.wash ington.edu
          (replace 'x' with 'u' to respond)

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          • Serge Rielau

            #35
            Re: db2 vs oracle

            Daniel A. Morgan wrote:[color=blue][color=green]
            >>[color=darkred]
            >>> Data Goob wrote:[/color][/color]
            > Exactly. So if someone wishes to communicate in a single usenet group
            > it is incumbent upon that person to edit the group list. And if they
            > wish a private communication they should respond to the OP directly.[/color]
            Sounds good to me. So could DataGoob and you please "take it outside".
            This thread has 0 technical content (excluding Mark's strategy post).
            I for one am really not interested in watching the two of you bashing
            each others virtual heads in. If I want to see that I browse the
            "omlet-thread" in c.d.o.s

            Cheers
            Serge

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            • robert

              #36
              Re: db2 vs oracle

              Hans Forbrich <forbrich@yahoo .net> wrote in message news:<CxGXc.196 31$A8.18211@edt nps89>...
              ....Sybase sold their soul to Microsoft by[color=blue]
              > giving them what is now SQL Server.
              >[/color]

              and all of them, near as i can tell, have sold their souls to
              XML Data Storage, thus eviscerating the relational model, and
              taking us back to IMS. i hope they're all Real Proud of themselves.

              annoyed and distraught,
              robert

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              • Daniel Morgan

                #37
                Re: db2 vs oracle

                robert wrote:[color=blue]
                > Hans Forbrich <forbrich@yahoo .net> wrote in message news:<CxGXc.196 31$A8.18211@edt nps89>...
                > ...Sybase sold their soul to Microsoft by
                >[color=green]
                >>giving them what is now SQL Server.
                >>[/color]
                >
                >
                > and all of them, near as i can tell, have sold their souls to
                > XML Data Storage, thus eviscerating the relational model, and
                > taking us back to IMS. i hope they're all Real Proud of themselves.
                >
                > annoyed and distraught,
                > robert[/color]

                I agree. There is a proper place for XML. XML is good. But it is
                no more the solution to every problem than is a nail.
                --
                Daniel A. Morgan
                University of Washington
                damorgan@x.wash ington.edu
                (replace 'x' with 'u' to respond)

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                • Serge Rielau

                  #38
                  Re: db2 vs oracle

                  Daniel Morgan wrote:[color=blue]
                  > robert wrote:[color=green]
                  >> and all of them, near as i can tell, have sold their souls to XML Data
                  >> Storage, thus eviscerating the relational model, and
                  >> taking us back to IMS. i hope they're all Real Proud of themselves.
                  >>
                  >> annoyed and distraught,
                  >> robert[/color]
                  >
                  >
                  > I agree. There is a proper place for XML. XML is good. But it is
                  > no more the solution to every problem than is a nail.[/color]
                  Who ever talked about throwing away the screwdriver and screws because
                  the vendors agree that hammers and nails belong into their toolbox?
                  XML does not spell the end of SQL although I dare the opinion that SQL
                  is fairly mature.

                  Cheers
                  Serge

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                  • Michael D. Long

                    #39
                    Re: db2 vs oracle

                    And I thought I was the only person on the planet that sees anything wrong
                    with XML. The first time I saw an article espousing the benefits of this
                    great new tool (some idiot calling it the "new ASCII" - doh!) all I could
                    see was a bloated pig of a format that looked like it spewed forth from the
                    mind of a juvenile delinquent. That it has made its way into the DBMS
                    engines shows that people have more computing resources than they have good
                    sense.

                    --
                    Michael D. Long


                    "robert" <gnuoytr@rcn.co m> wrote in message
                    news:da3c2186.0 408300407.3eeb3 65d@posting.goo gle.com...[color=blue]
                    > Hans Forbrich <forbrich@yahoo .net> wrote in message
                    > news:<CxGXc.196 31$A8.18211@edt nps89>...
                    > ...Sybase sold their soul to Microsoft by[color=green]
                    >> giving them what is now SQL Server.
                    >>[/color]
                    >
                    > and all of them, near as i can tell, have sold their souls to
                    > XML Data Storage, thus eviscerating the relational model, and
                    > taking us back to IMS. i hope they're all Real Proud of themselves.
                    >
                    > annoyed and distraught,
                    > robert[/color]


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