Company thought DB2 will be better than Oracle.

[Clemens Anhuth]

OffT: Let troll threads die more quickly (Re: Company thought DB2will be better than Oracle.)

Larry Edelstein wrote:[color=blue]
> OK Peter.
>
> Can I ask why you[/color]
[...]

Peter is trolling, and successfully so.

Maybe this thread can come to an end once everyone realizes that.

Bye bye :)

[Peter]

Re: Company thought DB2 will be better than Oracle.

Hi Larry!

There is a difference between in-house DBA and seeing the response of every
select Statement on production and being highly paid IBM on-call consultant.
No company will contact IBM consultant for db2start.

I wish you should have taken it like Bill Gates took new Windows release crash
in a big conference. He immediately admitted developers have to fix the code.


Peter



Larry Edelstein <lsedels@us.ibm .com> wrote in message news:<3F6C831C. F45A9D85@us.ibm .com>...[color=blue]
> Peter ... I have worked with many customers for more than two years who have never experienced this problem.
>
> You are still not providing any specifics or details on this. What are you afraid of? At this point, I must
> assume that this never happened. I'm sorry. It doesn't take much to provide evidence.
>
> Larry Edelstein
>
> Peter wrote:
>[color=green]
> > Hi Larry!
> >
> > Regarding your comment on continue to trash DB2, I wish you should not
> > take it in negative way. I find same problem in DB2 as in OS/2.
> >
> > I have worked on OS/2 and technically it is far superior than Microsoft
> > Windows. It did have same issue of all of sudden crashed problem that was
> > resolved in few years. Unfortunately MS already had the market before that.
> >
> > If you find my info is incorrect, I am just asking you to work on one
> > install of DB2 for 2 years. You will see instance disappearance and when
> > you type db2start; it starts as if nothing has happened. It simply forgets
> > and forgives it. I have never seen database starting like that and forgetting
> > why it crashed all of sudden in production. It is good and bad both. As
> > a DBA you have to start instance again only and blame poor developers
> > for wrong SQL statements. Poor guy only did select on a table with
> > a simple where clause. I have been asked to give query details; there is
> > nothing in the query other than select on one table with one condition
> > on where clause. Simply blame the DB2 developers as a workaround.
> >
> > Peter
> >
> > "Neil Truby" <neil.truby@ard enta.com> wrote in message news:<bkhah6$1q ke9$1@ID-162943.news.uni-berlin.de>...[color=darkred]
> > > "Daniel Morgan" <damorgan@x.was hington.edu> wrote in message
> > > news:1064018434 .923612@yasure. ..
> > > > Larry Edelstein wrote:[/color][/color]
>[color=green][color=darkred]
> > > > Is this really going to change anyone's mind? Do you really believe what
> > > > someone uses as a reference platform is going to make the CFO of a
> > > > company write a big check? Change their infrastructure? Migrate their
> > > > existing applications? Get a major university to start offering courses?
> > > > Maybe they use it as a reference platform because they were cut a
> > > > sweetheart deal? How can anyone possibly know what decision was made on
> > > > the 17th hole after a few martinis and a pair of tickets to the World
> > > > Series or the SuperBowl?
> > >
> > > How terribly cynical of you, Daniel![/color][/color][/color]

[Larry Edelstein]

Re: Company thought DB2 will be better than Oracle.

Peter,

I'm not even sure what you're trying to say.

No one ever said anything about consultants. When you have a problem ... especially a serious one like the one you
describe ... you open up a case with IBM and find out what it takes to fix it!

Peter ... several people on this newsgroup have offered to help get this escalated for you ... but you have not
provided any additional information. Please don't make it sound like IBM has not listened to you or isn't willing to
do anything about this.

I am very sorry ... but as I said ... I am going to have to assume that this didn't really happen. This will be my
last post responding to you, unless you can provide some more details and/or more information.

Larry Edelstein

Peter wrote:
[color=blue]
> Hi Larry!
>
> There is a difference between in-house DBA and seeing the response of every
> select Statement on production and being highly paid IBM on-call consultant.
> No company will contact IBM consultant for db2start.
>
> I wish you should have taken it like Bill Gates took new Windows release crash
> in a big conference. He immediately admitted developers have to fix the code.
>
> Peter
>
> Larry Edelstein <lsedels@us.ibm .com> wrote in message news:<3F6C831C. F45A9D85@us.ibm .com>...[color=green]
> > Peter ... I have worked with many customers for more than two years who have never experienced this problem.
> >
> > You are still not providing any specifics or details on this. What are you afraid of? At this point, I must
> > assume that this never happened. I'm sorry. It doesn't take much to provide evidence.
> >
> > Larry Edelstein
> >
> > Peter wrote:
> >[color=darkred]
> > > Hi Larry!
> > >
> > > Regarding your comment on continue to trash DB2, I wish you should not
> > > take it in negative way. I find same problem in DB2 as in OS/2.
> > >
> > > I have worked on OS/2 and technically it is far superior than Microsoft
> > > Windows. It did have same issue of all of sudden crashed problem that was
> > > resolved in few years. Unfortunately MS already had the market before that.
> > >
> > > If you find my info is incorrect, I am just asking you to work on one
> > > install of DB2 for 2 years. You will see instance disappearance and when
> > > you type db2start; it starts as if nothing has happened. It simply forgets
> > > and forgives it. I have never seen database starting like that and forgetting
> > > why it crashed all of sudden in production. It is good and bad both. As
> > > a DBA you have to start instance again only and blame poor developers
> > > for wrong SQL statements. Poor guy only did select on a table with
> > > a simple where clause. I have been asked to give query details; there is
> > > nothing in the query other than select on one table with one condition
> > > on where clause. Simply blame the DB2 developers as a workaround.
> > >
> > > Peter
> > >
> > > "Neil Truby" <neil.truby@ard enta.com> wrote in message news:<bkhah6$1q ke9$1@ID-162943.news.uni-berlin.de>...
> > > > "Daniel Morgan" <damorgan@x.was hington.edu> wrote in message
> > > > news:1064018434 .923612@yasure. ..
> > > > > Larry Edelstein wrote:[/color]
> >[color=darkred]
> > > > > Is this really going to change anyone's mind? Do you really believe what
> > > > > someone uses as a reference platform is going to make the CFO of a
> > > > > company write a big check? Change their infrastructure? Migrate their
> > > > > existing applications? Get a major university to start offering courses?
> > > > > Maybe they use it as a reference platform because they were cut a
> > > > > sweetheart deal? How can anyone possibly know what decision was made on
> > > > > the 17th hole after a few martinis and a pair of tickets to the World
> > > > > Series or the SuperBowl?
> > > >
> > > > How terribly cynical of you, Daniel![/color][/color][/color]

[Jim Kennedy]

Re: Company thought DB2 will be better than Oracle.


"Larry Edelstein" <lsedels@us.ibm .com> wrote in message
news:3F6F3671.3 E92F3D5@us.ibm. com...[color=blue]
> Peter,
>
> I'm not even sure what you're trying to say.
>
> No one ever said anything about consultants. When you have a problem ...[/color]
especially a serious one like the one you[color=blue]
> describe ... you open up a case with IBM and find out what it takes to fix[/color]
it![color=blue]
>
> Peter ... several people on this newsgroup have offered to help get this[/color]
escalated for you ... but you have not[color=blue]
> provided any additional information. Please don't make it sound like IBM[/color]
has not listened to you or isn't willing to[color=blue]
> do anything about this.
>
> I am very sorry ... but as I said ... I am going to have to assume that[/color]
this didn't really happen. This will be my[color=blue]
> last post responding to you, unless you can provide some more details[/color]
and/or more information.[color=blue]
>
> Larry Edelstein
>
> Peter wrote:
>[color=green]
> > Hi Larry!
> >
> > There is a difference between in-house DBA and seeing the response of[/color][/color]
every[color=blue][color=green]
> > select Statement on production and being highly paid IBM on-call[/color][/color]
consultant.[color=blue][color=green]
> > No company will contact IBM consultant for db2start.
> >
> > I wish you should have taken it like Bill Gates took new Windows release[/color][/color]
crash[color=blue][color=green]
> > in a big conference. He immediately admitted developers have to fix the[/color][/color]
code.[color=blue][color=green]
> >
> > Peter
> >
> > Larry Edelstein <lsedels@us.ibm .com> wrote in message[/color][/color]
news:<3F6C831C. F45A9D85@us.ibm .com>...[color=blue][color=green][color=darkred]
> > > Peter ... I have worked with many customers for more than two years[/color][/color][/color]
who have never experienced this problem.[color=blue][color=green][color=darkred]
> > >
> > > You are still not providing any specifics or details on this. What are[/color][/color][/color]
you afraid of? At this point, I must[color=blue][color=green][color=darkred]
> > > assume that this never happened. I'm sorry. It doesn't take much to[/color][/color][/color]
provide evidence.[color=blue][color=green][color=darkred]
> > >
> > > Larry Edelstein
> > >
> > > Peter wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi Larry!
> > > >
> > > > Regarding your comment on continue to trash DB2, I wish you should[/color][/color][/color]
not[color=blue][color=green][color=darkred]
> > > > take it in negative way. I find same problem in DB2 as in OS/2.
> > > >
> > > > I have worked on OS/2 and technically it is far superior than[/color][/color][/color]
Microsoft[color=blue][color=green][color=darkred]
> > > > Windows. It did have same issue of all of sudden crashed problem[/color][/color][/color]
that was[color=blue][color=green][color=darkred]
> > > > resolved in few years. Unfortunately MS already had the market[/color][/color][/color]
before that.[color=blue][color=green][color=darkred]
> > > >
> > > > If you find my info is incorrect, I am just asking you to work on[/color][/color][/color]
one[color=blue][color=green][color=darkred]
> > > > install of DB2 for 2 years. You will see instance disappearance and[/color][/color][/color]
when[color=blue][color=green][color=darkred]
> > > > you type db2start; it starts as if nothing has happened. It simply[/color][/color][/color]
forgets[color=blue][color=green][color=darkred]
> > > > and forgives it. I have never seen database starting like that and[/color][/color][/color]
forgetting[color=blue][color=green][color=darkred]
> > > > why it crashed all of sudden in production. It is good and bad both.[/color][/color][/color]
As[color=blue][color=green][color=darkred]
> > > > a DBA you have to start instance again only and blame poor[/color][/color][/color]
developers[color=blue][color=green][color=darkred]
> > > > for wrong SQL statements. Poor guy only did select on a table with
> > > > a simple where clause. I have been asked to give query details;[/color][/color][/color]
there is[color=blue][color=green][color=darkred]
> > > > nothing in the query other than select on one table with one[/color][/color][/color]
condition[color=blue][color=green][color=darkred]
> > > > on where clause. Simply blame the DB2 developers as a workaround.
> > > >
> > > > Peter
> > > >
> > > > "Neil Truby" <neil.truby@ard enta.com> wrote in message[/color][/color][/color]
news:<bkhah6$1q ke9$1@ID-162943.news.uni-berlin.de>...[color=blue][color=green][color=darkred]
> > > > > "Daniel Morgan" <damorgan@x.was hington.edu> wrote in message
> > > > > news:1064018434 .923612@yasure. ..
> > > > > > Larry Edelstein wrote:
> > >
> > > > > > Is this really going to change anyone's mind? Do you really[/color][/color][/color]
believe what[color=blue][color=green][color=darkred]
> > > > > > someone uses as a reference platform is going to make the CFO of[/color][/color][/color]
a[color=blue][color=green][color=darkred]
> > > > > > company write a big check? Change their infrastructure? Migrate[/color][/color][/color]
their[color=blue][color=green][color=darkred]
> > > > > > existing applications? Get a major university to start offering[/color][/color][/color]
courses?[color=blue][color=green][color=darkred]
> > > > > > Maybe they use it as a reference platform because they were cut[/color][/color][/color]
a[color=blue][color=green][color=darkred]
> > > > > > sweetheart deal? How can anyone possibly know what decision was[/color][/color][/color]
made on[color=blue][color=green][color=darkred]
> > > > > > the 17th hole after a few martinis and a pair of tickets to the[/color][/color][/color]
World[color=blue][color=green][color=darkred]
> > > > > > Series or the SuperBowl?
> > > > >
> > > > > How terribly cynical of you, Daniel![/color][/color]
>[/color]

Larry,
While Peter's problem might be a canard(probably is), maybe he does not
understand what you mean.

Peter,
What Larry is trying to say is that you need to provide more information.
If you went to a medical Dr and said I have pain and did not give any
further information, such as location, then the Dr. would not be able to do
much for you. So can you tell us what select statement crashes DB2 in your
environment. Could you also tell us what Operating System DB2 is running on
and if possible the version of DB2? What would be very nice is what steps
you have to perform to cause this crash. If you can't even tell us these
things then it calls into question your integrity.
Jim

[Peter]

Re: Company thought DB2 will be better than Oracle.

I work for a big financial company and I can understand Larry and you.
To give you the select statement and DB2 release number and platforms
detail will violate my employment agreement. They are moving the
critical DB2/UNIX application to OS/390.

I have seen it twice once on AIX and second time on LINUX system.
Let us start using DB2 UDB as in-house DBA and you will see yourself
disappearance of DB2 instance. It is not developers fault but
as work around you have to blame development group.



Peter




"Jim Kennedy" <kennedy-down_with_spamm ers@no_spam.com cast.net> wrote in message news:<aPNbb.548 237$YN5.371362@ sccrnsc01>...[color=blue]
> "Larry Edelstein" <lsedels@us.ibm .com> wrote in message
> news:3F6F3671.3 E92F3D5@us.ibm. com...[color=green]
> > Peter,
> >
> > I'm not even sure what you're trying to say.
> >
> > No one ever said anything about consultants. When you have a problem ...[/color]
> especially a serious one like the one you[color=green]
> > describe ... you open up a case with IBM and find out what it takes to fix[/color]
> it![color=green]
> >
> > Peter ... several people on this newsgroup have offered to help get this[/color]
> escalated for you ... but you have not[color=green]
> > provided any additional information. Please don't make it sound like IBM[/color]
> has not listened to you or isn't willing to[color=green]
> > do anything about this.
> >
> > I am very sorry ... but as I said ... I am going to have to assume that[/color]
> this didn't really happen. This will be my[color=green]
> > last post responding to you, unless you can provide some more details[/color]
> and/or more information.[color=green]
> >
> > Larry Edelstein
> >
> > Peter wrote:
> >[color=darkred]
> > > Hi Larry!
> > >
> > > There is a difference between in-house DBA and seeing the response of[/color][/color]
> every[color=green][color=darkred]
> > > select Statement on production and being highly paid IBM on-call[/color][/color]
> consultant.[color=green][color=darkred]
> > > No company will contact IBM consultant for db2start.
> > >
> > > I wish you should have taken it like Bill Gates took new Windows release[/color][/color]
> crash[color=green][color=darkred]
> > > in a big conference. He immediately admitted developers have to fix the[/color][/color]
> code.[color=green][color=darkred]
> > >
> > > Peter
> > >
> > > Larry Edelstein <lsedels@us.ibm .com> wrote in message[/color][/color]
> news:<3F6C831C. F45A9D85@us.ibm .com>...[color=green][color=darkred]
> > > > Peter ... I have worked with many customers for more than two years[/color][/color]
> who have never experienced this problem.[color=green][color=darkred]
> > > >
> > > > You are still not providing any specifics or details on this. What are[/color][/color]
> you afraid of? At this point, I must[color=green][color=darkred]
> > > > assume that this never happened. I'm sorry. It doesn't take much to[/color][/color]
> provide evidence.[color=green][color=darkred]
> > > >
> > > > Larry Edelstein
> > > >
> > > > Peter wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Hi Larry!
> > > > >
> > > > > Regarding your comment on continue to trash DB2, I wish you should[/color][/color]
> not[color=green][color=darkred]
> > > > > take it in negative way. I find same problem in DB2 as in OS/2.
> > > > >
> > > > > I have worked on OS/2 and technically it is far superior than[/color][/color]
> Microsoft[color=green][color=darkred]
> > > > > Windows. It did have same issue of all of sudden crashed problem[/color][/color]
> that was[color=green][color=darkred]
> > > > > resolved in few years. Unfortunately MS already had the market[/color][/color]
> before that.[color=green][color=darkred]
> > > > >
> > > > > If you find my info is incorrect, I am just asking you to work on[/color][/color]
> one[color=green][color=darkred]
> > > > > install of DB2 for 2 years. You will see instance disappearance and[/color][/color]
> when[color=green][color=darkred]
> > > > > you type db2start; it starts as if nothing has happened. It simply[/color][/color]
> forgets[color=green][color=darkred]
> > > > > and forgives it. I have never seen database starting like that and[/color][/color]
> forgetting[color=green][color=darkred]
> > > > > why it crashed all of sudden in production. It is good and bad both.[/color][/color]
> As[color=green][color=darkred]
> > > > > a DBA you have to start instance again only and blame poor[/color][/color]
> developers[color=green][color=darkred]
> > > > > for wrong SQL statements. Poor guy only did select on a table with
> > > > > a simple where clause. I have been asked to give query details;[/color][/color]
> there is[color=green][color=darkred]
> > > > > nothing in the query other than select on one table with one[/color][/color]
> condition[color=green][color=darkred]
> > > > > on where clause. Simply blame the DB2 developers as a workaround.
> > > > >
> > > > > Peter
> > > > >
> > > > > "Neil Truby" <neil.truby@ard enta.com> wrote in message[/color][/color]
> news:<bkhah6$1q ke9$1@ID-162943.news.uni-berlin.de>...[color=green][color=darkred]
> > > > > > "Daniel Morgan" <damorgan@x.was hington.edu> wrote in message
> > > > > > news:1064018434 .923612@yasure. ..
> > > > > > > Larry Edelstein wrote:[/color][/color]
>[color=green][color=darkred]
> > > > > > > Is this really going to change anyone's mind? Do you really[/color][/color]
> believe what[color=green][color=darkred]
> > > > > > > someone uses as a reference platform is going to make the CFO of[/color][/color]
> a[color=green][color=darkred]
> > > > > > > company write a big check? Change their infrastructure? Migrate[/color][/color]
> their[color=green][color=darkred]
> > > > > > > existing applications? Get a major university to start offering[/color][/color]
> courses?[color=green][color=darkred]
> > > > > > > Maybe they use it as a reference platform because they were cut[/color][/color]
> a[color=green][color=darkred]
> > > > > > > sweetheart deal? How can anyone possibly know what decision was[/color][/color]
> made on[color=green][color=darkred]
> > > > > > > the 17th hole after a few martinis and a pair of tickets to the[/color][/color]
> World[color=green][color=darkred]
> > > > > > > Series or the SuperBowl?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > How terribly cynical of you, Daniel![/color]
> >[/color]
>
> Larry,
> While Peter's problem might be a canard(probably is), maybe he does not
> understand what you mean.
>
> Peter,
> What Larry is trying to say is that you need to provide more information.
> If you went to a medical Dr and said I have pain and did not give any
> further information, such as location, then the Dr. would not be able to do
> much for you. So can you tell us what select statement crashes DB2 in your
> environment. Could you also tell us what Operating System DB2 is running on
> and if possible the version of DB2? What would be very nice is what steps
> you have to perform to cause this crash. If you can't even tell us these
> things then it calls into question your integrity.
> Jim[/color]

[Andrew Hamm]

Re: Company thought DB2 will be better than Oracle.

OK - THAT'S ENOUGH!!!

This BS has been going on for nearly 2 weeks. Don't you have to go mow the
lawn or something? Put the keyboard down, get your hand off it (I'm not
talking about the mouse) and get outside into the real world for a change.

Shut-T.F.up !!!

Don't you know The Golden Rule of Netnews? "Arguing on the Internet is like
running in the Special Olympics - even if you win, you are still retarded"

[Jim Kennedy]

Re: Company thought DB2 will be better than Oracle.

Peter is full of it. Into the kill file
"Peter" <peter_and_john 2003@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:396cd6da.0 309230557.42d58 03c@posting.goo gle.com...[color=blue]
> I work for a big financial company and I can understand Larry and you.
> To give you the select statement and DB2 release number and platforms
> detail will violate my employment agreement. They are moving the
> critical DB2/UNIX application to OS/390.
>
> I have seen it twice once on AIX and second time on LINUX system.
> Let us start using DB2 UDB as in-house DBA and you will see yourself
> disappearance of DB2 instance. It is not developers fault but
> as work around you have to blame development group.
>
>
>
> Peter
>
>
>
>
> "Jim Kennedy" <kennedy-down_with_spamm ers@no_spam.com cast.net> wrote in[/color]
message news:<aPNbb.548 237$YN5.371362@ sccrnsc01>...[color=blue][color=green]
> > "Larry Edelstein" <lsedels@us.ibm .com> wrote in message
> > news:3F6F3671.3 E92F3D5@us.ibm. com...[color=darkred]
> > > Peter,
> > >
> > > I'm not even sure what you're trying to say.
> > >
> > > No one ever said anything about consultants. When you have a problem[/color][/color][/color]
....[color=blue][color=green]
> > especially a serious one like the one you[color=darkred]
> > > describe ... you open up a case with IBM and find out what it takes to[/color][/color][/color]
fix[color=blue][color=green]
> > it![color=darkred]
> > >
> > > Peter ... several people on this newsgroup have offered to help get[/color][/color][/color]
this[color=blue][color=green]
> > escalated for you ... but you have not[color=darkred]
> > > provided any additional information. Please don't make it sound like[/color][/color][/color]
IBM[color=blue][color=green]
> > has not listened to you or isn't willing to[color=darkred]
> > > do anything about this.
> > >
> > > I am very sorry ... but as I said ... I am going to have to assume[/color][/color][/color]
that[color=blue][color=green]
> > this didn't really happen. This will be my[color=darkred]
> > > last post responding to you, unless you can provide some more details[/color]
> > and/or more information.[color=darkred]
> > >
> > > Larry Edelstein
> > >
> > > Peter wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi Larry!
> > > >
> > > > There is a difference between in-house DBA and seeing the response[/color][/color][/color]
of[color=blue][color=green]
> > every[color=darkred]
> > > > select Statement on production and being highly paid IBM on-call[/color]
> > consultant.[color=darkred]
> > > > No company will contact IBM consultant for db2start.
> > > >
> > > > I wish you should have taken it like Bill Gates took new Windows[/color][/color][/color]
release[color=blue][color=green]
> > crash[color=darkred]
> > > > in a big conference. He immediately admitted developers have to fix[/color][/color][/color]
the[color=blue][color=green]
> > code.[color=darkred]
> > > >
> > > > Peter
> > > >
> > > > Larry Edelstein <lsedels@us.ibm .com> wrote in message[/color]
> > news:<3F6C831C. F45A9D85@us.ibm .com>...[color=darkred]
> > > > > Peter ... I have worked with many customers for more than two[/color][/color][/color]
years[color=blue][color=green]
> > who have never experienced this problem.[color=darkred]
> > > > >
> > > > > You are still not providing any specifics or details on this. What[/color][/color][/color]
are[color=blue][color=green]
> > you afraid of? At this point, I must[color=darkred]
> > > > > assume that this never happened. I'm sorry. It doesn't take much[/color][/color][/color]
to[color=blue][color=green]
> > provide evidence.[color=darkred]
> > > > >
> > > > > Larry Edelstein
> > > > >
> > > > > Peter wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Hi Larry!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Regarding your comment on continue to trash DB2, I wish you[/color][/color][/color]
should[color=blue][color=green]
> > not[color=darkred]
> > > > > > take it in negative way. I find same problem in DB2 as in OS/2.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I have worked on OS/2 and technically it is far superior than[/color]
> > Microsoft[color=darkred]
> > > > > > Windows. It did have same issue of all of sudden crashed problem[/color]
> > that was[color=darkred]
> > > > > > resolved in few years. Unfortunately MS already had the market[/color]
> > before that.[color=darkred]
> > > > > >
> > > > > > If you find my info is incorrect, I am just asking you to work[/color][/color][/color]
on[color=blue][color=green]
> > one[color=darkred]
> > > > > > install of DB2 for 2 years. You will see instance disappearance[/color][/color][/color]
and[color=blue][color=green]
> > when[color=darkred]
> > > > > > you type db2start; it starts as if nothing has happened. It[/color][/color][/color]
simply[color=blue][color=green]
> > forgets[color=darkred]
> > > > > > and forgives it. I have never seen database starting like that[/color][/color][/color]
and[color=blue][color=green]
> > forgetting[color=darkred]
> > > > > > why it crashed all of sudden in production. It is good and bad[/color][/color][/color]
both.[color=blue][color=green]
> > As[color=darkred]
> > > > > > a DBA you have to start instance again only and blame poor[/color]
> > developers[color=darkred]
> > > > > > for wrong SQL statements. Poor guy only did select on a table[/color][/color][/color]
with[color=blue][color=green][color=darkred]
> > > > > > a simple where clause. I have been asked to give query details;[/color]
> > there is[color=darkred]
> > > > > > nothing in the query other than select on one table with one[/color]
> > condition[color=darkred]
> > > > > > on where clause. Simply blame the DB2 developers as a[/color][/color][/color]
workaround.[color=blue][color=green][color=darkred]
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Peter
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "Neil Truby" <neil.truby@ard enta.com> wrote in message[/color]
> > news:<bkhah6$1q ke9$1@ID-162943.news.uni-berlin.de>...[color=darkred]
> > > > > > > "Daniel Morgan" <damorgan@x.was hington.edu> wrote in message
> > > > > > > news:1064018434 .923612@yasure. ..
> > > > > > > > Larry Edelstein wrote:[/color]
> >[color=darkred]
> > > > > > > > Is this really going to change anyone's mind? Do you really[/color]
> > believe what[color=darkred]
> > > > > > > > someone uses as a reference platform is going to make the[/color][/color][/color]
CFO of[color=blue][color=green]
> > a[color=darkred]
> > > > > > > > company write a big check? Change their infrastructure?[/color][/color][/color]
Migrate[color=blue][color=green]
> > their[color=darkred]
> > > > > > > > existing applications? Get a major university to start[/color][/color][/color]
offering[color=blue][color=green]
> > courses?[color=darkred]
> > > > > > > > Maybe they use it as a reference platform because they were[/color][/color][/color]
cut[color=blue][color=green]
> > a[color=darkred]
> > > > > > > > sweetheart deal? How can anyone possibly know what decision[/color][/color][/color]
was[color=blue][color=green]
> > made on[color=darkred]
> > > > > > > > the 17th hole after a few martinis and a pair of tickets to[/color][/color][/color]
the[color=blue][color=green]
> > World[color=darkred]
> > > > > > > > Series or the SuperBowl?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > How terribly cynical of you, Daniel!
> > >[/color]
> >
> > Larry,
> > While Peter's problem might be a canard(probably is), maybe he does not
> > understand what you mean.
> >
> > Peter,
> > What Larry is trying to say is that you need to provide more[/color][/color]
information.[color=blue][color=green]
> > If you went to a medical Dr and said I have pain and did not give any
> > further information, such as location, then the Dr. would not be able to[/color][/color]
do[color=blue][color=green]
> > much for you. So can you tell us what select statement crashes DB2 in[/color][/color]
your[color=blue][color=green]
> > environment. Could you also tell us what Operating System DB2 is[/color][/color]
running on[color=blue][color=green]
> > and if possible the version of DB2? What would be very nice is what[/color][/color]
steps[color=blue][color=green]
> > you have to perform to cause this crash. If you can't even tell us[/color][/color]
these[color=blue][color=green]
> > things then it calls into question your integrity.
> > Jim[/color][/color]

[programmer]

Re: Company thought DB2 will be better than Oracle.


"Peter" <peter_and_john 2003@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:396cd6da.0 309111138.59804 915@posting.goo gle.com...[color=blue]
> Company thought DB2 will be better than Oracle.
> The bottom line is when you do select, the system crash.
>
> I think it may take 4-5 years for DB2 to reach Oracle standard.[/color]



I know. I once had a database crash. Can't remember what I did or which
database it was but it makes you think doesn't it.

[Database Guy]

Re: Company thought DB2 will be better than Oracle.

Newsgroups: comp.databases. oracle.server
Date: 2003-09-24 16:24:22 PST


Nat wrote:
[color=blue]
>We have Oracle 8.0.5 running on a Sun 4500 with solaris 2.6 OS.
>My production database has gone down twice because of the following
>error detalied at the bottom
>
>Our Oracle version is dessuported (nothing I can do about it) so I
>would appreciate any clue of how to deal with this problem.
>I read in one posting that this error has something to do with one
>session lossing communication or something like that. From the
>documentatio n below I couldn't even figure what session or user or
>procedure caused the crash
>
>
>[/color]
Leverage this situation and follow Brian's and Oracle's advice. Use this
as an excuse to upgrade
to something that will be good for your company and good for your resume.

--
Daniel Morgan

http://www.outreach.washington.edu/ext/certificates/oad/oad_crs.asp

http://www.outreach.washington.edu/ext/certificates/aoa/aoa_crs.asp

damorgan@x.wash ington.edu
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[Database Guy]

Re: Company thought DB2 will be better than Oracle.

Newsgroups: comp.databases. oracle.server
Date: 2003-09-11 07:47:26 PST


T0GGLe wrote:
[color=blue]
>Hi,
>
>can someone please explain to me why oracle crashes on my oracle817
>cluster server (W2k) system when i change tehh sys password? The first
>time this happened was when i changed it using dba studio.
>I thought that this might be a problem with that software however I've
>just tried changing the password at the command line (sqlplus) after
>having recreated the password file and hey presto the entire system
>has crashed and won't come back up again.
>
>Now I realise that the internal account is hard coded into the system
>and needs manually putting back in, in fail safe manager, but is there
>anywhere for the sys passwrod to go?
>[/color]
You realize incorrectly. It is not.
[color=blue]
>I'm now on the phone to oracle support to try to get the system back
>up and running but this is doing my head in. For god's sake why didn't
>we use sql7 or above????????? That works!
>
>[/color]
So you'd have something to whine about. Of course MS products never
crash. Never have problems.
And everything is always perfect. It is raining in Redmond Washington at
this very second. How can that
be? How can that be? I know ... I'm there.

The crash has nothing to do with changing the password. What I'd like to
see is an actual example
of what you are doing to change that password. I suspect the real cause
is that you are not doing what
you think you are doing, not doing it the right way, or have some other
processes running your aren't
telling us about.

--
Daniel Morgan

http://www.outreach.washington.edu/ext/certificates/oad/oad_crs.asp

http://www.outreach.washington.edu/ext/certificates/aoa/aoa_crs.asp

damorgan@x.wash ington.edu
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[Whereas, if DB2 were to go wrong...]

[msspurlock]

My Take:

DB2 = Stable, but limited. Fair documentation, what there is of it.
Oracle = Excellent features, but highly unstable. Exhaustively documented, but often incorrectly.

At least two days out of every week we have to tend to Oracle 10g, trying to revive the listener or get the Enterprise Manager to work. It's getting tiresome. DB2 is mostly set it and forget it. Sure, it doesn't do everything we want it to, but at least it works reliably. In Oracle's case, the recent patch fiasco certainly doesn't help matters.