garbage collection

[Ömer KUL]

hi,
i have a garbage collection problem. i have an application writen by
vb.net, i am opening a form and in this form there is a big query. when i
open the form, it takes 80 mb memory because of the data table. when i closed
the form it is already taking 80 mb memory. where is garbage collection? i am
waiting 30 minutes but memory usage is not decreasing. what must i do?
thanks,
Ömer KUL

[Sean Hederman]

Re: garbage collection

Have a look at

http://getdotnetco.web101.discountasp.net/GdncStore/free/Articles/The%20Memory%20Mystery.htm

"Ömer KUL" <merKUL@discuss ions.microsoft. com> wrote in message
news:ADC67C47-6680-4E3E-8C50-B30A9DBF03B4@mi crosoft.com...[color=blue]
> hi,
> i have a garbage collection problem. i have an application writen by
> vb.net, i am opening a form and in this form there is a big query. when i
> open the form, it takes 80 mb memory because of the data table. when i
> closed
> the form it is already taking 80 mb memory. where is garbage collection? i
> am
> waiting 30 minutes but memory usage is not decreasing. what must i do?
> thanks,
> Ömer KUL[/color]

[Ömer KUL]

Re: garbage collection

hi Hederman,
i have read the article. thank you very much for your help. the article is
very helpful but it is not answering my question. i am opening a form and
memory usage is increasing(80 mb), after that i am closing it but memory
usage is not decreasing. whenever i open the form memory usage is increasing
80 mb and going on so... that is the problem...
thanks
Ömer KUL

"Sean Hederman":
[color=blue]
> Have a look at
> http://getdotnetco.web101.discountas...%20Mystery.htm
>
> "Ömer KUL" <merKUL@discuss ions.microsoft. com> wrote in message
> news:ADC67C47-6680-4E3E-8C50-B30A9DBF03B4@mi crosoft.com...[color=green]
> > hi,
> > i have a garbage collection problem. i have an application writen by
> > vb.net, i am opening a form and in this form there is a big query. when i
> > open the form, it takes 80 mb memory because of the data table. when i
> > closed
> > the form it is already taking 80 mb memory. where is garbage collection? i
> > am
> > waiting 30 minutes but memory usage is not decreasing. what must i do?
> > thanks,
> > Ömer KUL[/color]
>
>
>[/color]

[Sean Hederman]

Re: garbage collection

If you're not holding any references to your datasets then the CLR will free
the memory when it needs to, not on some schedule. So the point would be to
ensure that the references to your datasets are being cleared.

"Ömer KUL" <merKUL@discuss ions.microsoft. com> wrote in message
news:05032427-6FE4-41AA-A2FC-0F70DDC8B2F6@mi crosoft.com...[color=blue]
> hi Hederman,
> i have read the article. thank you very much for your help. the article is
> very helpful but it is not answering my question. i am opening a form and
> memory usage is increasing(80 mb), after that i am closing it but memory
> usage is not decreasing. whenever i open the form memory usage is
> increasing
> 80 mb and going on so... that is the problem...
> thanks
> Ömer KUL
>
> "Sean Hederman":
>[color=green]
>> Have a look at
>> http://getdotnetco.web101.discountas...%20Mystery.htm
>>
>> "Ömer KUL" <merKUL@discuss ions.microsoft. com> wrote in message
>> news:ADC67C47-6680-4E3E-8C50-B30A9DBF03B4@mi crosoft.com...[color=darkred]
>> > hi,
>> > i have a garbage collection problem. i have an application writen by
>> > vb.net, i am opening a form and in this form there is a big query. when
>> > i
>> > open the form, it takes 80 mb memory because of the data table. when i
>> > closed
>> > the form it is already taking 80 mb memory. where is garbage
>> > collection? i
>> > am
>> > waiting 30 minutes but memory usage is not decreasing. what must i do?
>> > thanks,
>> > Ömer KUL[/color]
>>
>>
>>[/color][/color]

[Rob Windsor [MVP]]

Re: garbage collection

Task Manager doesn't always show memory usage correctly. To see this follow
these steps:

- Create a new Windows Forms application
- Run it
- Check memory usage in Task Manager
- My computer shows 15,554 K
- Minimize the app
- Check memory usage in Task Manager
- My computer shows 864 K
- Restore the app
- Check memory usage in Task Manager
- My computer shows 1,784 K

Try minimizing the app after you close the form and see if the memory usage
changes.

--
Rob Windsor [MVP-VB]
G6 Consulting
Toronto, Canada

http://msmvps.com/windsor/

"Ömer KUL" <merKUL@discuss ions.microsoft. com> wrote in message
news:05032427-6FE4-41AA-A2FC-0F70DDC8B2F6@mi crosoft.com...[color=blue]
> hi Hederman,
> i have read the article. thank you very much for your help. the article is
> very helpful but it is not answering my question. i am opening a form and
> memory usage is increasing(80 mb), after that i am closing it but memory
> usage is not decreasing. whenever i open the form memory usage is
> increasing
> 80 mb and going on so... that is the problem...
> thanks
> Ömer KUL
>
> "Sean Hederman":
>[color=green]
>> Have a look at
>> http://getdotnetco.web101.discountas...%20Mystery.htm
>>
>> "Ömer KUL" <merKUL@discuss ions.microsoft. com> wrote in message
>> news:ADC67C47-6680-4E3E-8C50-B30A9DBF03B4@mi crosoft.com...[color=darkred]
>> > hi,
>> > i have a garbage collection problem. i have an application writen by
>> > vb.net, i am opening a form and in this form there is a big query. when
>> > i
>> > open the form, it takes 80 mb memory because of the data table. when i
>> > closed
>> > the form it is already taking 80 mb memory. where is garbage
>> > collection? i
>> > am
>> > waiting 30 minutes but memory usage is not decreasing. what must i do?
>> > thanks,
>> > Ömer KUL[/color]
>>
>>
>>[/color][/color]

[Willy Denoyette [MVP]]

Re: garbage collection


"Rob Windsor [MVP]" <rob.windsor.no .spam@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:OKr182IWFH A.2684@TK2MSFTN GP09.phx.gbl...[color=blue]
> Task Manager doesn't always show memory usage correctly. To see this
> follow these steps:
>
> - Create a new Windows Forms application
> - Run it
> - Check memory usage in Task Manager
> - My computer shows 15,554 K
> - Minimize the app
> - Check memory usage in Task Manager
> - My computer shows 864 K
> - Restore the app
> - Check memory usage in Task Manager
> - My computer shows 1,784 K
>
> Try minimizing the app after you close the form and see if the memory
> usage changes.[/color]


And what makes you think this isn't correct here?
The OS automatically reduces the workingset of a windows application
(any)when minimizing, this has been done since NT4 was introduced years ago.
Taskman takes it's values from the preformance counters, do you mean that
these aren't correct?

Willy.

[Willy Denoyette [MVP]]

Re: garbage collection


"Ömer KUL" <merKUL@discuss ions.microsoft. com> wrote in message
news:ADC67C47-6680-4E3E-8C50-B30A9DBF03B4@mi crosoft.com...[color=blue]
> hi,
> i have a garbage collection problem. i have an application writen by
> vb.net, i am opening a form and in this form there is a big query. when i
> open the form, it takes 80 mb memory because of the data table. when i
> closed
> the form it is already taking 80 mb memory. where is garbage collection? i
> am
> waiting 30 minutes but memory usage is not decreasing. what must i do?
> thanks,
> Ömer KUL[/color]

When there is no garbage, there is nothing to collect, that's how the GC
works, so in your case there is no garbage because you are still holding
references to your Data Tables. Please post your code if you want to get any
more help.

Willy.

[Ömer KUL]

Re: garbage collection

Hi Willy,
i am closing the form that increases the memory usage. are not the all
variables and controls on the form disposed? after now, does not the GC
collect them?
i can not send you all code, because it is an ERP packet and it is 50 mb
when zipped. i can send you code samples if you want.
thanks
Ömer KUL

"Willy Denoyette [MVP]":
[color=blue]
>
> "Ömer KUL" <merKUL@discuss ions.microsoft. com> wrote in message
> news:ADC67C47-6680-4E3E-8C50-B30A9DBF03B4@mi crosoft.com...[color=green]
> > hi,
> > i have a garbage collection problem. i have an application writen by
> > vb.net, i am opening a form and in this form there is a big query. when i
> > open the form, it takes 80 mb memory because of the data table. when i
> > closed
> > the form it is already taking 80 mb memory. where is garbage collection? i
> > am
> > waiting 30 minutes but memory usage is not decreasing. what must i do?
> > thanks,
> > Ömer KUL[/color]
>
> When there is no garbage, there is nothing to collect, that's how the GC
> works, so in your case there is no garbage because you are still holding
> references to your Data Tables. Please post your code if you want to get any
> more help.
>
> Willy.
>
>
>[/color]

[Jon Shemitz]

Re: garbage collection

Ömer KUL wrote:
[color=blue]
> i have a garbage collection problem. i have an application writen by
> vb.net, i am opening a form and in this form there is a big query. when i
> open the form, it takes 80 mb memory because of the data table. when i closed
> the form it is already taking 80 mb memory. where is garbage collection? i am
> waiting 30 minutes but memory usage is not decreasing. what must i do?[/color]

Merely waiting won't do anything - garbage collection is triggered by
allocations, not a timer.

--

https://www.midnightbeach.com

[Sean Hederman]

Re: garbage collection

"Ömer KUL" <merKUL@discuss ions.microsoft. com> wrote in message
news:AD4FD022-4283-4D01-85A9-B376FCF0BD1C@mi crosoft.com...[color=blue]
> Hi Willy,
> i am closing the form that increases the memory usage. are not the all
> variables and controls on the form disposed? after now, does not the GC
> collect them?[/color]

No, only those variables that are only referenced on the form will be
available for GC, and just because they're available doesn't mean they will
be GC'd.
[color=blue]
> i can not send you all code, because it is an ERP packet and it is 50 mb
> when zipped. i can send you code samples if you want.
> thanks
> Ömer KUL
>
> "Willy Denoyette [MVP]":
>[color=green]
>>
>> "Ömer KUL" <merKUL@discuss ions.microsoft. com> wrote in message
>> news:ADC67C47-6680-4E3E-8C50-B30A9DBF03B4@mi crosoft.com...[color=darkred]
>> > hi,
>> > i have a garbage collection problem. i have an application writen by
>> > vb.net, i am opening a form and in this form there is a big query. when
>> > i
>> > open the form, it takes 80 mb memory because of the data table. when i
>> > closed
>> > the form it is already taking 80 mb memory. where is garbage
>> > collection? i
>> > am
>> > waiting 30 minutes but memory usage is not decreasing. what must i do?
>> > thanks,
>> > Ã-mer KUL[/color]
>>
>> When there is no garbage, there is nothing to collect, that's how the GC
>> works, so in your case there is no garbage because you are still holding
>> references to your Data Tables. Please post your code if you want to get
>> any
>> more help.
>>
>> Willy.
>>
>>
>>[/color][/color]

[Sean Hederman]

Re: garbage collection

"Sean Hederman" <email.jpg@codi ngsanity.blogsp ot.com> wrote in message
news:d66otk$l3b $1@ctb-nnrp2.saix.net. ..[color=blue]
> No, only those variables that are only referenced on the form will be
> available for GC, and just because they're available doesn't mean they
> will be GC'd.[/color]

right away

[Nick Malik [Microsoft]]

Re: garbage collection

Hi Omer,
[color=blue]
> i can not send you all code, because it is an ERP packet and it is 50 mb
> when zipped. i can send you code samples if you want.
> thanks[/color]


Typically we ask that you post only the code snippets that you believe are
causing your problem or which form a basis for you to believe that the code
"should" work. In this case, it would be helpful if you would post the
calls that fetch the data, and enough information for us to know where the
references are stored for the data (on the stack or on the heap). Also, it
would be helpful if you would post the code that occurs when you opened and
closed the form.

Notes:

80Mb is a very large amount of data. Is there any way you can reduce the
amount of data that has to be returned by being more explicit in your
queries? There is no reasonable way for me to believe that you are actually
presenting 80Mb worth of data to the user... so clearly you are returning
some data that you don't need.


--
--- Nick Malik [Microsoft]
MCSD, CFPS, Certified Scrummaster
http://blogs.msdn.com/nickmalik

Disclaimer: Opinions expressed in this forum are my own, and not
representative of my employer.
I do not answer questions on behalf of my employer. I'm just a
programmer helping programmers.
--
"Ömer KUL" <merKUL@discuss ions.microsoft. com> wrote in message
news:AD4FD022-4283-4D01-85A9-B376FCF0BD1C@mi crosoft.com...[color=blue]
> Hi Willy,
> i am closing the form that increases the memory usage. are not the all
> variables and controls on the form disposed? after now, does not the GC
> collect them?
> i can not send you all code, because it is an ERP packet and it is 50 mb
> when zipped. i can send you code samples if you want.
> thanks
> Ömer KUL
>
> "Willy Denoyette [MVP]":
>[color=green]
>>
>> "Ömer KUL" <merKUL@discuss ions.microsoft. com> wrote in message
>> news:ADC67C47-6680-4E3E-8C50-B30A9DBF03B4@mi crosoft.com...[color=darkred]
>> > hi,
>> > i have a garbage collection problem. i have an application writen by
>> > vb.net, i am opening a form and in this form there is a big query. when
>> > i
>> > open the form, it takes 80 mb memory because of the data table. when i
>> > closed
>> > the form it is already taking 80 mb memory. where is garbage
>> > collection? i
>> > am
>> > waiting 30 minutes but memory usage is not decreasing. what must i do?
>> > thanks,
>> > Ã-mer KUL[/color]
>>
>> When there is no garbage, there is nothing to collect, that's how the GC
>> works, so in your case there is no garbage because you are still holding
>> references to your Data Tables. Please post your code if you want to get
>> any
>> more help.
>>
>> Willy.
>>
>>
>>[/color][/color]

[Cor Ligthert]

Re: garbage collection

Omar,

I found the replys from Willy and Sean very clear. Now that there is a new
message added, I will try to explain their messages something more.

When you have done in by instance (I see not the code you use therefore in
VBNet)

In form1
Private myDatatable as Datatable
dim frm as new Form2
frm.datatablefr m2 = myDatatable
frm Show

And you have in your Form2
datatablefrm2 = new datatable.

Than the memory used by that datatable will released by the GC as soon as
there are no references any more in that datatable and set to nothing in
form1 (or that both forms are closed)

It is a strange way of coding by the way, however this can give the effect
you are talking about.

I hope this gives an idea

Cor

[Ömer KUL]

Re: garbage collection

hi Willy,
i am using a variable that declared as datatable. i get data from query and
set the datatable. after i used the datatable i dispose it but the memory
usage is not decreasing. the datatable gets about 80 mb memory...
if you give me your e-mail i can send your code part.
thanks for your helps.
Ömer KUL

"Willy Denoyette [MVP]":
[color=blue]
>
> "Ömer KUL" <merKUL@discuss ions.microsoft. com> wrote in message
> news:ADC67C47-6680-4E3E-8C50-B30A9DBF03B4@mi crosoft.com...[color=green]
> > hi,
> > i have a garbage collection problem. i have an application writen by
> > vb.net, i am opening a form and in this form there is a big query. when i
> > open the form, it takes 80 mb memory because of the data table. when i
> > closed
> > the form it is already taking 80 mb memory. where is garbage collection? i
> > am
> > waiting 30 minutes but memory usage is not decreasing. what must i do?
> > thanks,
> > Ömer KUL[/color]
>
> When there is no garbage, there is nothing to collect, that's how the GC
> works, so in your case there is no garbage because you are still holding
> references to your Data Tables. Please post your code if you want to get any
> more help.
>
> Willy.
>
>
>[/color]

[Cor Ligthert]

Re: garbage collection

Omer,

Disposing a datatable does almost nothing, however using clear can help you
with the datatable and with the dataset.

http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/de...cleartopic.asp

When that does not help, you can as quick fix as well try the
dataset.Tables[x].Remove;
in the closing method of that form.

I hope this helps,

Cor