.NET as an HTML Editor

**Cor** · Jul 21 '05, 11:21 AM

Re: .NET as an HTML Editor

Hi Howard,

I love the IDE as HTML editor.
It shows so fast edited pages. (But I avoid the designer mode).

I know you are not a Rookie, but did you know you can set a lot of HTML
settings that are automatic off (and sometimes disturbing) in the text
editor parts from the Options?

Cor

**John Timney \(Microsoft MVP\)** · Jul 21 '05, 11:21 AM

Re: .NET as an HTML Editor

try web matrix

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"Howard Kaikow" <kaikow@standar ds.com> wrote in message
news:uVNlrrCyDH A.2148@TK2MSFTN GP12.phx.gbl...[color=blue]
> Since MSFT did not include FrontPage 2003 in Office 2003 Pro, I needed to
> look elsewhere for an HTML Editor.
>
> Word won't do because, even in filtered mode, it puts needless crap in the
> HTML.
>
> I figured I'd give the HTML Editor in .NET a shot.
> Well, it is rather buggy.
>
> I opened a standard (according to HTML Tidy) HTML file, inserted a space,
> then deleted a space, then tried to save. .NET issued a message[/color]
complaining[color=blue]
> that it was unable to format due to a particular line.
>
> When I looked at the HTML, .NET had changed a line and screwed it up.
>
> And .NET complained about another line further down, I manually corrected
> those errors and then noticed that .NET had squiggly lines under things[/color]
such[color=blue]
> as the summary attribute for the table tag.
>
> Not to mention that the online Help is so tedious to use, it is of no use[/color]
to[color=blue]
> me.
>
>
> --
> http://www.standards.com/; See Howard Kaikow's web site.
>
>[/color]

**Howard Kaikow** · Jul 21 '05, 11:22 AM

Re: .NET as an HTML Editor

I looked at the options and did not find anything useful.

It seems that the designer mode depends on a defined schema.
I want just a vanilla schema.

I also noticed tat there are no menus/options for automatically entering
HTML tags such as <h1>.

Of course, what I want may be there, but the online help is just not useful
as it is too tedious to try to find anything, even if you know what you are
looking for.

Also, the HTML generated is very poor, e.g., it often omits </li> tags.

--
http://www.standards.com/; See Howard Kaikow's web site.
"Cor" <non@non.com> wrote in message
news:%23eOKIYIy DHA.1688@TK2MSF TNGP10.phx.gbl. ..[color=blue]
> Hi Howard,
>
> I love the IDE as HTML editor.
> It shows so fast edited pages. (But I avoid the designer mode).
>
> I know you are not a Rookie, but did you know you can set a lot of HTML
> settings that are automatic off (and sometimes disturbing) in the text
> editor parts from the Options?
>
> Cor
>
>[/color]

**Howard Kaikow** · Jul 21 '05, 11:22 AM

Re: .NET as an HTML Editor

What is "web matrix?"
Is it a component of .NET?

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"John Timney (Microsoft MVP)" <timneyj@despam med.com> wrote in message
news:OMubidMyDH A.3744@TK2MSFTN GP11.phx.gbl...[color=blue]
> try web matrix
>
> --
> Regards
>
> John Timney (Microsoft ASP.NET MVP)
> ----------------------------------------------
> <shameless_auth or_plug>
> Professional .NET for Java Developers with C#
> ISBN:1-861007-91-4
> Professional Windows Forms
> ISBN: 1861005547
> Professional JSP 2nd Edition
> ISBN: 1861004958
> Professional JSP
> ISBN: 1861003625
> Beginning JSP Web Development
> ISBN: 1861002092
> </shameless_autho r_plug>
> ----------------------------------------------
>
> "Howard Kaikow" <kaikow@standar ds.com> wrote in message
> news:uVNlrrCyDH A.2148@TK2MSFTN GP12.phx.gbl...[color=green]
> > Since MSFT did not include FrontPage 2003 in Office 2003 Pro, I needed[/color][/color]
to[color=blue][color=green]
> > look elsewhere for an HTML Editor.
> >
> > Word won't do because, even in filtered mode, it puts needless crap in[/color][/color]
the[color=blue][color=green]
> > HTML.
> >
> > I figured I'd give the HTML Editor in .NET a shot.
> > Well, it is rather buggy.
> >
> > I opened a standard (according to HTML Tidy) HTML file, inserted a[/color][/color]
space,[color=blue][color=green]
> > then deleted a space, then tried to save. .NET issued a message[/color]
> complaining[color=green]
> > that it was unable to format due to a particular line.
> >
> > When I looked at the HTML, .NET had changed a line and screwed it up.
> >
> > And .NET complained about another line further down, I manually[/color][/color]
corrected[color=blue][color=green]
> > those errors and then noticed that .NET had squiggly lines under things[/color]
> such[color=green]
> > as the summary attribute for the table tag.
> >
> > Not to mention that the online Help is so tedious to use, it is of no[/color][/color]
use[color=blue]
> to[color=green]
> > me.
> >
> >
> > --
> > http://www.standards.com/; See Howard Kaikow's web site.
> >
> >[/color]
>
>[/color]

**Cor** · Jul 21 '05, 11:22 AM

Re: .NET as an HTML Editor

Hi Howard,

I use it as an editor, not as a designer.

With the expirience I have now, we agree in that part.

Although I did not very much investigate that.

Cor
[color=blue]
> I looked at the options and did not find anything useful.
> It seems that the designer mode depends on a defined schema.
> I want just a vanilla schema.
> I also noticed tat there are no menus/options for automatically entering
> HTML tags such as <h1>.
> Of course, what I want may be there, but the online help is just not[/color]
useful[color=blue]
> as it is too tedious to try to find anything, even if you know what you[/color]
are[color=blue]
> looking for.
> Also, the HTML generated is very poor, e.g., it often omits </li> tags.[/color]

**Cor** · Jul 21 '05, 11:22 AM

Re: .NET as an HTML Editor

Hi Howard,

I almost forgot this,

One of the major reasons that I like it asHTML editor is, that it is very
easy to integrate XML, JavaScript, VBScript, CSS etc. while editing with
VS.studio.net

Cor

**Chris Dunaway** · Jul 21 '05, 11:23 AM

Re: .NET as an HTML Editor

On Tue, 23 Dec 2003 04:49:43 -0500, Howard Kaikow wrote:
[color=blue]
> What is "web matrix?"
> Is it a component of .NET?[/color]

It's a free tool. Here is the link:

ASP.NET Core, an open-source web development framework | .NET

http://www.asp.net/webmatrix/

Build web apps and services that run on Windows, Linux, and macOS using C#, HTML, CSS, and JavaScript. Get started for free on Windows, Linux, or macOS.

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Chris

To send me an E-mail, remove the underscores and lunchmeat from my E-Mail
address.

**Howard Kaikow** · Jul 21 '05, 11:24 AM

Re: .NET as an HTML Editor

Thanx, just downloaded.

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"Chris Dunaway" <dunawayc@_lunc hmeat_sbcglobal .net> wrote in message
news:paaojg4ue5 av.1s38h27y6g4x f$.dlg@40tude.n et...[color=blue]
> On Tue, 23 Dec 2003 04:49:43 -0500, Howard Kaikow wrote:
>[color=green]
> > What is "web matrix?"
> > Is it a component of .NET?[/color]
>
> It's a free tool. Here is the link:
>
> http://www.asp.net/webmatrix/
>
> --
> Chris
>
> To send me an E-mail, remove the underscores and lunchmeat from my E-Mail
> address.[/color]

**Howard Kaikow** · Jul 21 '05, 11:24 AM

Re: .NET as an HTML Editor

I only need bare essentials of HTML.

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"Cor" <non@non.com> wrote in message
news:%23Y7zGOUy DHA.384@TK2MSFT NGP12.phx.gbl.. .[color=blue]
> Hi Howard,
>
> I use it as an editor, not as a designer.
>
> With the expirience I have now, we agree in that part.
>
> Although I did not very much investigate that.
>
>
> Cor
>[color=green]
> > I looked at the options and did not find anything useful.
> > It seems that the designer mode depends on a defined schema.
> > I want just a vanilla schema.
> > I also noticed tat there are no menus/options for automatically entering
> > HTML tags such as <h1>.
> > Of course, what I want may be there, but the online help is just not[/color]
> useful[color=green]
> > as it is too tedious to try to find anything, even if you know what you[/color]
> are[color=green]
> > looking for.
> > Also, the HTML generated is very poor, e.g., it often omits </li> tags.[/color]
>
>[/color]

**Howard Kaikow** · Jul 21 '05, 11:24 AM

Re: .NET as an HTML Editor

Web Matrix may fill my needs, but I need to find documentation.
It already committed one NoNo.

I have an HTML file that contains the following line:

<p align="justify" >Copyright © 2003-2004 by Howard Kaikow. All rights
reserved.</p>

Web Matrix stripped out the © when I opened the file, that's not good.
The file size increased from 27KB to 31KB.
I printed both the original and the WebMatrix version as PDF files and
compared the PDF.
Other than the missing © , the content was not changed.

--
http://www.standards.com/; See Howard Kaikow's web site.
"Howard Kaikow" <kaikow@standar ds.com> wrote in message
news:%23OgzNXiy DHA.2032@TK2MSF TNGP10.phx.gbl. ..[color=blue]
> Thanx, just downloaded.
>
> --
> http://www.standards.com/; See Howard Kaikow's web site.
> "Chris Dunaway" <dunawayc@_lunc hmeat_sbcglobal .net> wrote in message
> news:paaojg4ue5 av.1s38h27y6g4x f$.dlg@40tude.n et...[color=green]
> > On Tue, 23 Dec 2003 04:49:43 -0500, Howard Kaikow wrote:
> >[color=darkred]
> > > What is "web matrix?"
> > > Is it a component of .NET?[/color]
> >
> > It's a free tool. Here is the link:
> >
> > http://www.asp.net/webmatrix/
> >
> > --
> > Chris
> >
> > To send me an E-mail, remove the underscores and lunchmeat from my[/color][/color]
E-Mail[color=blue][color=green]
> > address.[/color]
>
>[/color]

**Howard Kaikow** · Jul 21 '05, 11:26 AM

Re: .NET as an HTML Editor

My limited experience, these past few daze, with web matrix have convinced
me that web matrix is too buggy to be used as an HTML editor. It
periodically gets inventive and does weird things to the HTML source.

--
http://www.standards.com/; See Howard Kaikow's web site.
"Howard Kaikow" <kaikow@standar ds.com> wrote in message
news:O6zqIAjyDH A.1660@TK2MSFTN GP09.phx.gbl...[color=blue]
> Web Matrix may fill my needs, but I need to find documentation.
> It already committed one NoNo.
>
> I have an HTML file that contains the following line:
>
> <p align="justify" >Copyright © 2003-2004 by Howard Kaikow. All rights
> reserved.</p>
>
> Web Matrix stripped out the © when I opened the file, that's not good.
> The file size increased from 27KB to 31KB.
> I printed both the original and the WebMatrix version as PDF files and
> compared the PDF.
> Other than the missing © , the content was not changed.
>
> --
> http://www.standards.com/; See Howard Kaikow's web site.
> "Howard Kaikow" <kaikow@standar ds.com> wrote in message
> news:%23OgzNXiy DHA.2032@TK2MSF TNGP10.phx.gbl. ..[color=green]
> > Thanx, just downloaded.
> >
> > --
> > http://www.standards.com/; See Howard Kaikow's web site.
> > "Chris Dunaway" <dunawayc@_lunc hmeat_sbcglobal .net> wrote in message
> > news:paaojg4ue5 av.1s38h27y6g4x f$.dlg@40tude.n et...[color=darkred]
> > > On Tue, 23 Dec 2003 04:49:43 -0500, Howard Kaikow wrote:
> > >
> > > > What is "web matrix?"
> > > > Is it a component of .NET?
> > >
> > > It's a free tool. Here is the link:
> > >
> > > http://www.asp.net/webmatrix/
> > >
> > > --
> > > Chris
> > >
> > > To send me an E-mail, remove the underscores and lunchmeat from my[/color][/color]
> E-Mail[color=green][color=darkred]
> > > address.[/color]
> >
> >[/color]
>
>[/color]

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