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  • news.microsoft.com

    #1

    New APIs

    Hi,

    When and where will we be able to download these new namespaces?


    Tanks.


  • Nicholas Paldino [.NET/C# MVP]

    #2
    Re: New APIs

    Which new namespaces are you talking about?

    Also, if they are from Microsoft, they usually don't announce release
    dates until the last minute.


    --
    - Nicholas Paldino [.NET/C# MVP]
    - mvp@spam.guard. caspershouse.co m

    "news.microsoft .com" <discussion@dis cussion.microso ft.com> wrote in message
    news:u8BLDrgoDH A.2416@TK2MSFTN GP10.phx.gbl...[color=blue]
    > Hi,
    >
    > When and where will we be able to download these new namespaces?
    >
    >
    > Tanks.
    >
    >[/color]


    Comment

    • news.microsoft.com

      #3
      Re: New APIs

      The longhorn ones that are documented on the longhorn.msdn.m icrosoft.com .




      "Nicholas Paldino [.NET/C# MVP]" <mvp@spam.guard .caspershouse.c om> wrote in
      message news:ujGl26goDH A.2188@TK2MSFTN GP11.phx.gbl...[color=blue]
      > Which new namespaces are you talking about?
      >
      > Also, if they are from Microsoft, they usually don't announce release
      > dates until the last minute.
      >
      >
      > --
      > - Nicholas Paldino [.NET/C# MVP]
      > - mvp@spam.guard. caspershouse.co m
      >
      > "news.microsoft .com" <discussion@dis cussion.microso ft.com> wrote in[/color]
      message[color=blue]
      > news:u8BLDrgoDH A.2416@TK2MSFTN GP10.phx.gbl...[color=green]
      > > Hi,
      > >
      > > When and where will we be able to download these new namespaces?
      > >
      > >
      > > Tanks.
      > >
      > >[/color]
      >
      >[/color]


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      • Nicholas Paldino [.NET/C# MVP]

        #4
        Re: New APIs

        I would guess that they are not going to be released for a long time.
        If it is in longhorn, then I would expect it to be distributed when longhorn
        is shipped.


        --
        - Nicholas Paldino [.NET/C# MVP]
        - mvp@spam.guard. caspershouse.co m

        "news.microsoft .com" <discussion@dis cussion.microso ft.com> wrote in message
        news:u7lVBEhoDH A.2732@TK2MSFTN GP11.phx.gbl...[color=blue]
        > The longhorn ones that are documented on the longhorn.msdn.m icrosoft.com .
        >
        >
        >
        >
        > "Nicholas Paldino [.NET/C# MVP]" <mvp@spam.guard .caspershouse.c om> wrote[/color]
        in[color=blue]
        > message news:ujGl26goDH A.2188@TK2MSFTN GP11.phx.gbl...[color=green]
        > > Which new namespaces are you talking about?
        > >
        > > Also, if they are from Microsoft, they usually don't announce[/color][/color]
        release[color=blue][color=green]
        > > dates until the last minute.
        > >
        > >
        > > --
        > > - Nicholas Paldino [.NET/C# MVP]
        > > - mvp@spam.guard. caspershouse.co m
        > >
        > > "news.microsoft .com" <discussion@dis cussion.microso ft.com> wrote in[/color]
        > message[color=green]
        > > news:u8BLDrgoDH A.2416@TK2MSFTN GP10.phx.gbl...[color=darkred]
        > > > Hi,
        > > >
        > > > When and where will we be able to download these new namespaces?
        > > >
        > > >
        > > > Tanks.
        > > >
        > > >[/color]
        > >
        > >[/color]
        >
        >[/color]


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        • news.microsoft.com

          #5
          Re: New APIs

          Well, people are crying for the functionality thats missing and this is NOT
          dependant on LH. System.IO.Ports for one and others. I dont need the WinFS
          and Avalon stuff. Why the other stuff should beheld back because of LH is
          just bad. Sure hold the LH specific stuff but not the other classes.


          "Nicholas Paldino [.NET/C# MVP]" <mvp@spam.guard .caspershouse.c om> wrote in
          message news:uCZcYFhoDH A.2500@TK2MSFTN GP10.phx.gbl...[color=blue]
          > I would guess that they are not going to be released for a long time.
          > If it is in longhorn, then I would expect it to be distributed when[/color]
          longhorn[color=blue]
          > is shipped.
          >
          >
          > --
          > - Nicholas Paldino [.NET/C# MVP]
          > - mvp@spam.guard. caspershouse.co m
          >
          > "news.microsoft .com" <discussion@dis cussion.microso ft.com> wrote in[/color]
          message[color=blue]
          > news:u7lVBEhoDH A.2732@TK2MSFTN GP11.phx.gbl...[color=green]
          > > The longhorn ones that are documented on the longhorn.msdn.m icrosoft.com[/color][/color]
          ..[color=blue][color=green]
          > >
          > >
          > >
          > >
          > > "Nicholas Paldino [.NET/C# MVP]" <mvp@spam.guard .caspershouse.c om> wrote[/color]
          > in[color=green]
          > > message news:ujGl26goDH A.2188@TK2MSFTN GP11.phx.gbl...[color=darkred]
          > > > Which new namespaces are you talking about?
          > > >
          > > > Also, if they are from Microsoft, they usually don't announce[/color][/color]
          > release[color=green][color=darkred]
          > > > dates until the last minute.
          > > >
          > > >
          > > > --
          > > > - Nicholas Paldino [.NET/C# MVP]
          > > > - mvp@spam.guard. caspershouse.co m
          > > >
          > > > "news.microsoft .com" <discussion@dis cussion.microso ft.com> wrote in[/color]
          > > message[color=darkred]
          > > > news:u8BLDrgoDH A.2416@TK2MSFTN GP10.phx.gbl...
          > > > > Hi,
          > > > >
          > > > > When and where will we be able to download these new namespaces?
          > > > >
          > > > >
          > > > > Tanks.
          > > > >
          > > > >
          > > >
          > > >[/color]
          > >
          > >[/color]
          >
          >[/color]


          Comment

          • Robert Fuchs

            #6
            Re: New APIs

            > I would guess that they are not going to be released for a long time.[color=blue]
            > If it is in longhorn, then I would expect it to be distributed when longhorn
            > is shipped.[/color]

            and this won't be before 2006.

            regards, Robert

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            • Thomas Tomiczek \(MVP\)

              #7
              Re: New APIs

              Ok, "news.microsoft .com" (I really love it - look, guy, aht about behaving
              al ittle and entering your name? Can not be SO complicated to use a
              newsreader),

              what do you want to download?

              API's er definition are not downloadable.

              Do you want the documentation?

              Do you want the assemblies?

              Do you want an installer that installs the new version?

              In the last case - please uznderstand that it wil ltake string 2004 (!)
              until you have access to an FIRST BETA. Currently there is only a very early
              alpha and only for "serious deveoplers", as defined by them either visitnig
              the PDC or having a MSDN Universal subscription.

              Thomas Tomiczek
              THONA Software & Consulting Ltd.
              (Microsoft MVP C#/.NET)

              "news.microsoft .com" <discussion@dis cussion.microso ft.com> wrote in message
              news:u7lVBEhoDH A.2732@TK2MSFTN GP11.phx.gbl...[color=blue]
              > The longhorn ones that are documented on the longhorn.msdn.m icrosoft.com .
              >
              >
              >
              >
              > "Nicholas Paldino [.NET/C# MVP]" <mvp@spam.guard .caspershouse.c om> wrote[/color]
              in[color=blue]
              > message news:ujGl26goDH A.2188@TK2MSFTN GP11.phx.gbl...[color=green]
              > > Which new namespaces are you talking about?
              > >
              > > Also, if they are from Microsoft, they usually don't announce[/color][/color]
              release[color=blue][color=green]
              > > dates until the last minute.
              > >
              > >
              > > --
              > > - Nicholas Paldino [.NET/C# MVP]
              > > - mvp@spam.guard. caspershouse.co m
              > >
              > > "news.microsoft .com" <discussion@dis cussion.microso ft.com> wrote in[/color]
              > message[color=green]
              > > news:u8BLDrgoDH A.2416@TK2MSFTN GP10.phx.gbl...[color=darkred]
              > > > Hi,
              > > >
              > > > When and where will we be able to download these new namespaces?
              > > >
              > > >
              > > > Tanks.
              > > >
              > > >[/color]
              > >
              > >[/color]
              >
              >[/color]


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              • news.microsoft.com

                #8
                Re: New APIs

                Tell that to msdn.microsoft. com for adding a name, this is what theyre web
                reader adds.


                "Thomas Tomiczek (MVP)" <t.tomiczek@tho na-consulting.com> wrote in message
                news:%230G4ZUho DHA.976@tk2msft ngp13.phx.gbl.. .[color=blue]
                > Ok, "news.microsoft .com" (I really love it - look, guy, aht about behaving
                > al ittle and entering your name? Can not be SO complicated to use a
                > newsreader),
                >
                > what do you want to download?
                >
                > API's er definition are not downloadable.
                >
                > Do you want the documentation?
                >
                > Do you want the assemblies?
                >
                > Do you want an installer that installs the new version?
                >
                > In the last case - please uznderstand that it wil ltake string 2004 (!)
                > until you have access to an FIRST BETA. Currently there is only a very[/color]
                early[color=blue]
                > alpha and only for "serious deveoplers", as defined by them either[/color]
                visitnig[color=blue]
                > the PDC or having a MSDN Universal subscription.
                >
                > Thomas Tomiczek
                > THONA Software & Consulting Ltd.
                > (Microsoft MVP C#/.NET)
                >
                > "news.microsoft .com" <discussion@dis cussion.microso ft.com> wrote in[/color]
                message[color=blue]
                > news:u7lVBEhoDH A.2732@TK2MSFTN GP11.phx.gbl...[color=green]
                > > The longhorn ones that are documented on the longhorn.msdn.m icrosoft.com[/color][/color]
                ..[color=blue][color=green]
                > >
                > >
                > >
                > >
                > > "Nicholas Paldino [.NET/C# MVP]" <mvp@spam.guard .caspershouse.c om> wrote[/color]
                > in[color=green]
                > > message news:ujGl26goDH A.2188@TK2MSFTN GP11.phx.gbl...[color=darkred]
                > > > Which new namespaces are you talking about?
                > > >
                > > > Also, if they are from Microsoft, they usually don't announce[/color][/color]
                > release[color=green][color=darkred]
                > > > dates until the last minute.
                > > >
                > > >
                > > > --
                > > > - Nicholas Paldino [.NET/C# MVP]
                > > > - mvp@spam.guard. caspershouse.co m
                > > >
                > > > "news.microsoft .com" <discussion@dis cussion.microso ft.com> wrote in[/color]
                > > message[color=darkred]
                > > > news:u8BLDrgoDH A.2416@TK2MSFTN GP10.phx.gbl...
                > > > > Hi,
                > > > >
                > > > > When and where will we be able to download these new namespaces?
                > > > >
                > > > >
                > > > > Tanks.
                > > > >
                > > > >
                > > >
                > > >[/color]
                > >
                > >[/color]
                >
                >[/color]


                Comment

                • Robert Fuchs

                  #9
                  Re: New APIs

                  > ...[color=blue]
                  > In the last case - please uznderstand that it wil ltake string 2004 (!)
                  > until you have access to an FIRST BETA. Currently there is only a very early
                  > alpha and only for "serious deveoplers", as defined by them either visitnig
                  > the PDC or having a MSDN Universal subscription.[/color]

                  thanx for indicating that I'm a serious developer just because I have a MSDN Universal subscripting ;-)

                  Although not having attended the PDC, I learned a lot from all the bloggers, especially that there will be a lot of new stuff in
                  Whidbey, and this is due next year.

                  regards, Robert


                  Comment

                  • news.microsoft.com

                    #10
                    Re: New APIs

                    So we can maybe expect the non LH namespaces to appear in the 2004 realease
                    of the framework?


                    "Robert Fuchs" <me@privacy.net > wrote in message
                    news:bo5ogn$17a 3u6$1@ID-209832.news.uni-berlin.de...[color=blue][color=green]
                    > > ...
                    > > In the last case - please uznderstand that it wil ltake string 2004 (!)
                    > > until you have access to an FIRST BETA. Currently there is only a very[/color][/color]
                    early[color=blue][color=green]
                    > > alpha and only for "serious deveoplers", as defined by them either[/color][/color]
                    visitnig[color=blue][color=green]
                    > > the PDC or having a MSDN Universal subscription.[/color]
                    >
                    > thanx for indicating that I'm a serious developer just because I have a[/color]
                    MSDN Universal subscripting ;-)[color=blue]
                    >
                    > Although not having attended the PDC, I learned a lot from all the[/color]
                    bloggers, especially that there will be a lot of new stuff in[color=blue]
                    > Whidbey, and this is due next year.
                    >
                    > regards, Robert
                    >
                    >[/color]


                    Comment

                    • Thomas Tomiczek \(MVP\)

                      #11
                      Re: New APIs


                      "news.microsoft .com" <discussion@dis cussion.microso ft.com> wrote in message
                      news:%23HxOCbho DHA.2000@TK2MSF TNGP12.phx.gbl. ..[color=blue]
                      > So we can maybe expect the non LH namespaces to appear in the 2004[/color]
                      realease[color=blue]
                      > of the framework?[/color]

                      Yes, if they are aprt of thWhidbey functionality.

                      Go up on the web and search what is iin for whidbey.

                      Thomas Tomiczek
                      THONA Software & Consulting Ltd.
                      (Microsoft MVP C#/.NET)
                      [color=blue]
                      >
                      >
                      > "Robert Fuchs" <me@privacy.net > wrote in message
                      > news:bo5ogn$17a 3u6$1@ID-209832.news.uni-berlin.de...[color=green][color=darkred]
                      > > > ...
                      > > > In the last case - please uznderstand that it wil ltake string 2004[/color][/color][/color]
                      (!)[color=blue][color=green][color=darkred]
                      > > > until you have access to an FIRST BETA. Currently there is only a very[/color][/color]
                      > early[color=green][color=darkred]
                      > > > alpha and only for "serious deveoplers", as defined by them either[/color][/color]
                      > visitnig[color=green][color=darkred]
                      > > > the PDC or having a MSDN Universal subscription.[/color]
                      > >
                      > > thanx for indicating that I'm a serious developer just because I have a[/color]
                      > MSDN Universal subscripting ;-)[color=green]
                      > >
                      > > Although not having attended the PDC, I learned a lot from all the[/color]
                      > bloggers, especially that there will be a lot of new stuff in[color=green]
                      > > Whidbey, and this is due next year.
                      > >
                      > > regards, Robert
                      > >
                      > >[/color]
                      >
                      >[/color]


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                      • Thomas Tomiczek \(MVP\)

                        #12
                        Re: New APIs


                        "Robert Fuchs" <me@privacy.net > wrote in message
                        news:bo5ogn$17a 3u6$1@ID-209832.news.uni-berlin.de...[color=blue][color=green]
                        > > ...
                        > > In the last case - please uznderstand that it wil ltake string 2004 (!)
                        > > until you have access to an FIRST BETA. Currently there is only a very[/color][/color]
                        early[color=blue][color=green]
                        > > alpha and only for "serious deveoplers", as defined by them either[/color][/color]
                        visitnig[color=blue][color=green]
                        > > the PDC or having a MSDN Universal subscription.[/color]
                        >
                        > thanx for indicating that I'm a serious developer just because I have a[/color]
                        MSDN Universal subscripting ;-)

                        Dont cry to me - go to your local MS representative and tell them. It was
                        their decision.

                        The "serious developer" is meant sarcastic - I really dont understand why
                        they dont allow ocopying of the DVD's and put this into th broad public.

                        I mean, it IS anyway, thanks to Kazaa etc., and people are just waiting for
                        the stuff.

                        Thomas Tomiczek
                        THONA Software & Consulting Ltd.
                        (Microsoft MVP C#/.NET)


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                        • Nicholas Paldino [.NET/C# MVP]

                          #13
                          Re: New APIs

                          I have to admit, I find the whole "serious developer" part amusing (only
                          because I think the definition is ludicrous, to be honest).

                          For the record, bits were given out at the PDC (and they didn't ask you
                          if you were a "serious developer" or not) to all attendees.

                          MSDN subscribers have not gotten alpha bits of whidbey either. It would
                          be listed as part of the manifest on the website for the subscriptions.

                          There were select groups of people that were exposed to the alpha bits,
                          which were not allowed to speak about them until the announcement at the
                          PDC. I had the alpha bits, for example. The critera for that is up to
                          Microsoft (and I don't think they ask if you are a "serious developer" in
                          order to meet their criteria).

                          --
                          - Nicholas Paldino [.NET/C# MVP]
                          - mvp@spam.guard. caspershouse.co m

                          "Robert Fuchs" <me@privacy.net > wrote in message
                          news:bo5ogn$17a 3u6$1@ID-209832.news.uni-berlin.de...[color=blue][color=green]
                          > > ...
                          > > In the last case - please uznderstand that it wil ltake string 2004 (!)
                          > > until you have access to an FIRST BETA. Currently there is only a very[/color][/color]
                          early[color=blue][color=green]
                          > > alpha and only for "serious deveoplers", as defined by them either[/color][/color]
                          visitnig[color=blue][color=green]
                          > > the PDC or having a MSDN Universal subscription.[/color]
                          >
                          > thanx for indicating that I'm a serious developer just because I have a[/color]
                          MSDN Universal subscripting ;-)[color=blue]
                          >
                          > Although not having attended the PDC, I learned a lot from all the[/color]
                          bloggers, especially that there will be a lot of new stuff in[color=blue]
                          > Whidbey, and this is due next year.
                          >
                          > regards, Robert
                          >
                          >[/color]


                          Comment

                          • Robert Fuchs

                            #14
                            Re: New APIs

                            > The "serious developer" is meant sarcastic - I really dont understand why[color=blue]
                            > they dont allow ocopying of the DVD's and put this into th broad public.
                            >
                            > I mean, it IS anyway, thanks to Kazaa etc., and people are just waiting for
                            > the stuff.[/color]

                            OK, I can get it anyway, if I want, because I indeed have the universal subscription.
                            But you are right, they should spread it all over the world...

                            I also don't understand, why MS wants US$ 499,- for the PDC DVD with the WMVs and PowerPoint slides of the sessions.
                            IMHO they should sell this just for the cost of shipment, this was the best act of promotion they could do...

                            regards, Robert

                            Comment

                            • Chris Dunaway

                              #15
                              Re: New APIs

                              On Mon, 3 Nov 2003 08:47:56 -0500, Nicholas Paldino [.NET/C# MVP] wrote:
                              [color=blue]
                              > I would guess that they are not going to be released for a long time.
                              > If it is in longhorn, then I would expect it to be distributed when longhorn
                              > is shipped.[/color]

                              Some of the namespaces documented should be part of the 1.2 Framework.
                              There are some that are longhorn specific, and naturally they would not be
                              usable until longhorn is released.


                              --
                              Chris

                              To send me an E-mail, remove the underscores and lunchmeat from my E-Mail
                              address.

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