ViewState vs. Database

[=?Utf-8?B?TUNN?=]

I'm sure the answer to my question varies depending on the situation, but I
am looking for a general "best practice".

If I have an asp.net application and I load certain data from a database,
should I use ViewState to store and reload the data, or should I load the
data from the database on each postback?

Assume for the sake of this question that I only care about performance, I
don't care about ease of programming.

[Steven Cheng [MSFT]]

RE: ViewState vs. Database

Hi,

From your description, you're wondering tradeoff between storeing database
records in ASP.NET page's viewstate and query them in every request,
correct?

Based on my understanding, if you're using Databound control(such as
Gridview, DataGrid) to display data queried from database, after you
perform databinding, the viewstate will automatically store those necessary
info for the Gridview/DataGrid to display each rows in sequential requests.
However, the database table based structure is not persisted
automatically. Therefore , I'm wondering what you want to do or what's the
reason that you may need to cache/store the entire database table (e.g.
datatable/dataset) into Viewstate?

For general consideration, I think you can consider the following factors:

1. ViewState is only used for store data which need to reuse between the
same page's multiple post. If you request the page(via HTTP GET) again, the
viewstate(store d in previous request) is no longer available. For data
that need to be persisted between multiple page or requests(not only
postback), I think Session State and Application Cache is better.

2. For impaction, since viewstate is persisted as an html hidden field in
page's html source, if the data you want to store is very large, it will
surely increase your page's response content size and that'll make the page
display or postback slowly for low bandwidth clients(for internet
scenaros). And if you cache large data in SessionState or Application
Cache, that will not impact response stream size, but if that is used
frequently, the server-side memory will have some pressure.

3. If the bottleneck is not at the web application and backend database
server(performi ng data accessing operations such as query data), I
recommend you query the data from database in every request where you need
to display the data. But if the data is large and really static or
unchangable, you can consider using Application Cache to cache them.

#Using the ASP.NET Application Cache to Make Your Applications Scream

http://www.developer.com/net/net/article.php/1477771

#ASP.NET Caching Overview

http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms178597.aspx

Sincerely,

Steven Cheng

Microsoft MSDN Online Support Lead


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>From: =?Utf-8?B?TUNN?= <MCM@newsgroup. nospam>
>Subject: ViewState vs. Database
>Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2008 18:54:00 -0700

>
>I'm sure the answer to my question varies depending on the situation, but

I

>am looking for a general "best practice".
>
>If I have an asp.net application and I load certain data from a database,
>should I use ViewState to store and reload the data, or should I load the
>data from the database on each postback?
>
>Assume for the sake of this question that I only care about performance, I
>don't care about ease of programming.
>
>

[=?Utf-8?B?TUNN?=]

RE: ViewState vs. Database

From your description, you're wondering tradeoff between storeing database

records in ASP.NET page's viewstate and query them in every request,
correct?

Yes.

Based on my understanding, if you're using Databound control(such as
Gridview, DataGrid)

Not using datagrid. Using custom display controls. I can choose to
enable/disable viewstate.

3. If the bottleneck is not at the web application and backend database
server(performi ng data accessing operations such as query data), I
recommend you query the data from database in every request where you need
to display the data. But if the data is large and really static or
unchangable, you can consider using Application Cache to cache them.

That is my point. I don't know where my bottleneck is yet. I'm looking for a
"best practice". Something that works in most scenarios. I can choose to
enable view state and only hit the database once - then reuse the data for
multiple postbacks - this will obviously create a larger html response to the
client. Or I can choose to keep the page size smaller, but hit my database on
each postback - this will be more taxing on the server of course. As a
general rule - which is better? And why?

-------------------

#Using the ASP.NET Application Cache to Make Your Applications Scream

http://www.developer.com/net/net/article.php/1477771

>
#ASP.NET Caching Overview

http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms178597.aspx

>
Sincerely,
>
Steven Cheng
>
Microsoft MSDN Online Support Lead
>
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From: =?Utf-8?B?TUNN?= <MCM@newsgroup. nospam>
Subject: ViewState vs. Database
Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2008 18:54:00 -0700

>

I'm sure the answer to my question varies depending on the situation, but

I

am looking for a general "best practice".

If I have an asp.net application and I load certain data from a database,
should I use ViewState to store and reload the data, or should I load the
data from the database on each postback?

Assume for the sake of this question that I only care about performance, I
don't care about ease of programming.

>
>

[Steven Cheng [MSFT]]

RE: ViewState vs. Database

Hi MMC,

Thanks for your quick response.

For the bottleneck issue, I suggest you try the following things:

1. ASP.NET's output trace can print out the time each event finished or any
output statement's time, and you can write out some custom statement in
each event and lookup the time slot in the trace.

2. Visual studio 2005/2008 provide performance profiling tools that can
help us profile application(inc lude desktop and web apps)'s performance.
such as which part takes most time or which part is called most frequently:

#Analyzing Application Performance

http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/z9z62c29(VS.80).aspx

#Visual Studio Profiler Team Blog

http://blogs.msdn.com/profiler/

this is helpful to detect potential bottlenecks in many cases.

For your further question "As a general rule - which is better? And why?",
here is my opinion for your reference:

1. If database server is powerful enough to support frequent query/update
processing or such operations are not quite frequent, I'll always do the
query instead of caching the data. Since that can save webserver memory.

2. If data is quite large and operations are so frequent that may impact
database server, I'll first consider caching data at server-side (such as
in memory cache) rather than use page's viewstate. The reason is as below:

** given anytime, for an application, user experience is the most
important, large page size is certainly big problem for client user
experience.

** also, large page content also impact server memory since such large
data(in form field) is post back to server and write down to client in
every request, so means ASP.NET runtime need to load it into memory
everytime processing page request.

How do you think?

Sincerely,

Steven Cheng

Microsoft MSDN Online Support Lead


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>From: =?Utf-8?B?TUNN?= <MCM@newsgroup. nospam>
>References: <DB321895-A729-496F-B9B5-423029159B7B@mi crosoft.com>

<lzALYqj4IHA.40 56@TK2MSFTNGHUB 02.phx.gbl>

>Subject: RE: ViewState vs. Database
>Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2008 23:15:00 -0700

40.244.149

>X-Tomcat-NG: microsoft.publi c.dotnet.genera l
>

>From your description, you're wondering tradeoff between storeing

database

>records in ASP.NET page's viewstate and query them in every request,
>correct?

>
>Yes.
>

>Based on my understanding, if you're using Databound control(such as
>Gridview, DataGrid)

>
>Not using datagrid. Using custom display controls. I can choose to
>enable/disable viewstate.
>

>3. If the bottleneck is not at the web application and backend database
>server(perform ing data accessing operations such as query data), I
>recommend you query the data from database in every request where you

need

>to display the data. But if the data is large and really static or
>unchangable, you can consider using Application Cache to cache them.

>
>That is my point. I don't know where my bottleneck is yet. I'm looking for

a

>"best practice". Something that works in most scenarios. I can choose to
>enable view state and only hit the database once - then reuse the data for
>multiple postbacks - this will obviously create a larger html response to

the

>client. Or I can choose to keep the page size smaller, but hit my database

on

>each postback - this will be more taxing on the server of course. As a
>general rule - which is better? And why?
>
>-------------------
>

>#Using the ASP.NET Application Cache to Make Your Applications Scream
>http://www.developer.com/net/net/article.php/1477771
>>
>#ASP.NET Caching Overview
>http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms178597.aspx
>>
>Sincerely,
>>
>Steven Cheng
>>
>Microsoft MSDN Online Support Lead
>>
>>
>Delighting our customers is our #1 priority. We welcome your comments

and

>suggestions about how we can improve the support we provide to you.

Please

>feel free to let my manager know what you think of the level of service
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>>
>>
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>X-WBNR-Posting-Host: 207.46.19.168
>From: =?Utf-8?B?TUNN?= <MCM@newsgroup. nospam>
>Subject: ViewState vs. Database
>Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2008 18:54:00 -0700

>>

>
>I'm sure the answer to my question varies depending on the situation,

but

>I

>am looking for a general "best practice".
>
>If I have an asp.net application and I load certain data from a

database,

>should I use ViewState to store and reload the data, or should I load

the

>data from the database on each postback?
>
>Assume for the sake of this question that I only care about

performance, I

>don't care about ease of programming.
>
>

>>
>>

>

[clintonG]

Re: ViewState vs. Database

The "best practice" as you will find if you search the web and verify what I
advise is to disable ViewState for every control in the page that is not
absolutely necessary to maintain state in the page. Similarly, disable
ViewState at the page level for all pages that are not critical to maintain
state.

For example the use of a Wizard control with the Previous button will
maintain state and the data entered into the previous step will remain
displayed and available as it is carried back and forth from the server with
every postback. That is usually desired when using this control. Other
situations you have to use your judgment.

This is the best practice you asked about.

"MCM" <MCM@newsgroup. nospamwrote in message
news:DB321895-A729-496F-B9B5-423029159B7B@mi crosoft.com...

I'm sure the answer to my question varies depending on the situation, but
I
am looking for a general "best practice".
>
If I have an asp.net application and I load certain data from a database,
should I use ViewState to store and reload the data, or should I load the
data from the database on each postback?
>
Assume for the sake of this question that I only care about performance, I
don't care about ease of programming.
>

[=?Utf-8?B?TUNN?=]

RE: ViewState vs. Database

1. If database server is powerful enough to support frequent query/update

processing or such operations are not quite frequent, I'll always do the
query instead of caching the data. Since that can save webserver memory.

So from a performance perspective, saving webserver memory is more important
that reducing the load on the db server?

2. If data is quite large and operations are so frequent that may impact
database server, I'll first consider caching data at server-side (such as
in memory cache) rather than use page's viewstate.

This is an interesting idea. But this seems to contradict #1. So the
question is still where to I want to place the heaviest load - web or db
server?

--------------------------

** given anytime, for an application, user experience is the most
important, large page size is certainly big problem for client user
experience.
>
** also, large page content also impact server memory since such large
data(in form field) is post back to server and write down to client in
every request, so means ASP.NET runtime need to load it into memory
everytime processing page request.
>
How do you think?
>
Sincerely,
>
Steven Cheng
>
Microsoft MSDN Online Support Lead
>
>
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suggestions about how we can improve the support we provide to you. Please
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>
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>
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From: =?Utf-8?B?TUNN?= <MCM@newsgroup. nospam>
References: <DB321895-A729-496F-B9B5-423029159B7B@mi crosoft.com>

<lzALYqj4IHA.40 56@TK2MSFTNGHUB 02.phx.gbl>

Subject: RE: ViewState vs. Database
Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2008 23:15:00 -0700

40.244.149

X-Tomcat-NG: microsoft.publi c.dotnet.genera l

From your description, you're wondering tradeoff between storeing

database

records in ASP.NET page's viewstate and query them in every request,
correct?

Yes.

Based on my understanding, if you're using Databound control(such as
Gridview, DataGrid)

Not using datagrid. Using custom display controls. I can choose to
enable/disable viewstate.

3. If the bottleneck is not at the web application and backend database
server(performi ng data accessing operations such as query data), I
recommend you query the data from database in every request where you

need

to display the data. But if the data is large and really static or
unchangable, you can consider using Application Cache to cache them.

That is my point. I don't know where my bottleneck is yet. I'm looking for

a

"best practice". Something that works in most scenarios. I can choose to
enable view state and only hit the database once - then reuse the data for
multiple postbacks - this will obviously create a larger html response to

the

client. Or I can choose to keep the page size smaller, but hit my database

on

each postback - this will be more taxing on the server of course. As a
general rule - which is better? And why?

-------------------

#Using the ASP.NET Application Cache to Make Your Applications Scream

http://www.developer.com/net/net/article.php/1477771

>
#ASP.NET Caching Overview

http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms178597.aspx

>
Sincerely,
>
Steven Cheng
>
Microsoft MSDN Online Support Lead
>
>
Delighting our customers is our #1 priority. We welcome your comments

and

suggestions about how we can improve the support we provide to you.

Please

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X-WBNR-Posting-Host: 207.46.19.168
From: =?Utf-8?B?TUNN?= <MCM@newsgroup. nospam>
Subject: ViewState vs. Database
Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2008 18:54:00 -0700
>

I'm sure the answer to my question varies depending on the situation,

but

I
am looking for a general "best practice".

If I have an asp.net application and I load certain data from a

database,

should I use ViewState to store and reload the data, or should I load

the

data from the database on each postback?

Assume for the sake of this question that I only care about

performance, I

don't care about ease of programming.


>
>

>
>

[Steven Cheng [MSFT]]

RE: ViewState vs. Database

Thanks for your reply MCM,

Not absolute. At least I would prefer that. However, for a specific
application, it much depends on the actual cost of each stage( web client
to server, webserver, server to database server..). And the best way is to
do some profiling and get some idea of the actual cost or bottleneck and do
optimize against the critical point.

Sincerely,

Steven Cheng

Microsoft MSDN Online Support Lead


Delighting our customers is our #1 priority. We welcome your comments and
suggestions about how we can improve the support we provide to you. Please
feel free to let my manager know what you think of the level of service
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>References: <DB321895-A729-496F-B9B5-423029159B7B@mi crosoft.com>

<lzALYqj4IHA.40 56@TK2MSFTNGHUB 02.phx.gbl>
<26F3D2C0-3938-4A43-9AC5-25180A287D40@mi crosoft.com>
<uEmi0kn4IHA.13 40@TK2MSFTNGHUB 02.phx.gbl>

>Subject: RE: ViewState vs. Database
>Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 10:47:02 -0700

>

>1. If database server is powerful enough to support frequent

query/update

>processing or such operations are not quite frequent, I'll always do the
>query instead of caching the data. Since that can save webserver memory.

>
>So from a performance perspective, saving webserver memory is more

important

>that reducing the load on the db server?
>

>2. If data is quite large and operations are so frequent that may impact
>database server, I'll first consider caching data at server-side (such

as

>in memory cache) rather than use page's viewstate.

>
>This is an interesting idea. But this seems to contradict #1. So the
>question is still where to I want to place the heaviest load - web or db
>server?
>
>--------------------------
>

>** given anytime, for an application, user experience is the most
>important, large page size is certainly big problem for client user
>experience.
>>
>** also, large page content also impact server memory since such large
>data(in form field) is post back to server and write down to client in
>every request, so means ASP.NET runtime need to load it into memory
>everytime processing page request.
>>
>How do you think?
>>
>Sincerely,
>>
>Steven Cheng
>>
>Microsoft MSDN Online Support Lead
>>
>>
>Delighting our customers is our #1 priority. We welcome your comments

and

>suggestions about how we can improve the support we provide to you.

Please

>feel free to let my manager know what you think of the level of service
>provided. You can send feedback directly to my manager at:
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[Steven Cheng [MSFT]]

RE: ViewState vs. Database

Hi MCM,

How are you doing?

Have you got any further ideas on this or have you determined which
approach to use? If there is anything else need help, please feel free to
post here.

Sincerely,

Steven Cheng
Microsoft MSDN Online Support Lead


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>From: stcheng@online. microsoft.com (Steven Cheng [MSFT])
>Organization : Microsoft
>Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 02:09:59 GMT
>Subject: RE: ViewState vs. Database

>
>Thanks for your reply MCM,
>
>Not absolute. At least I would prefer that. However, for a specific
>application, it much depends on the actual cost of each stage( web client
>to server, webserver, server to database server..). And the best way is

to

>do some profiling and get some idea of the actual cost or bottleneck and

do

>optimize against the critical point.
>
>Sincerely,
>
>Steven Cheng
>
>Microsoft MSDN Online Support Lead
>
>
>Delighting our customers is our #1 priority. We welcome your comments and
>suggestions about how we can improve the support we provide to you. Please
>feel free to let my manager know what you think of the level of service
>provided. You can send feedback directly to my manager at:
>msdnmg@microso ft.com.
>
>--------------------
>

>>From: =?Utf-8?B?TUNN?= <MCM@newsgroup. nospam>
>>References: <DB321895-A729-496F-B9B5-423029159B7B@mi crosoft.com>

><lzALYqj4IHA.4 056@TK2MSFTNGHU B02.phx.gbl>
><26F3D2C0-3938-4A43-9AC5-25180A287D40@mi crosoft.com>
><uEmi0kn4IHA.1 340@TK2MSFTNGHU B02.phx.gbl>

>>Subject: RE: ViewState vs. Database
>>Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 10:47:02 -0700

>

>>

>>1. If database server is powerful enough to support frequent

>query/update

>>processing or such operations are not quite frequent, I'll always do

the

>>query instead of caching the data. Since that can save webserver memory.

>>
>>So from a performance perspective, saving webserver memory is more

>important

>>that reducing the load on the db server?
>>

>>2. If data is quite large and operations are so frequent that may

impact

>>database server, I'll first consider caching data at server-side (such

>as

>>in memory cache) rather than use page's viewstate.

>>
>>This is an interesting idea. But this seems to contradict #1. So the
>>question is still where to I want to place the heaviest load - web or db
>>server?
>>

[=?Utf-8?B?TUNN?=]

RE: ViewState vs. Database

Well, I decided for the best possible user performance, I need to disable
ViewState as much as possible to keep the html smaller. The slowest part of
the network is the outbound data transfer to the client - much slower that
the gig traffic on the internal network. However, from a cost perspective,
building out a SQL cluster is more expensive than adding load balanced web
servers. So rather than making extra db calls, I'm going to try and cache
data on the webserver. This will of course mean a strain on RAM for the
webserver, but that seems like the best performance to cost ratio I can come
up with.

"Steven Cheng [MSFT]" wrote:

Hi MCM,
>
How are you doing?
>
Have you got any further ideas on this or have you determined which
approach to use? If there is anything else need help, please feel free to
post here.
>
Sincerely,
>
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>
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From: stcheng@online. microsoft.com (Steven Cheng [MSFT])
Organization: Microsoft
Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 02:09:59 GMT
Subject: RE: ViewState vs. Database

>

Thanks for your reply MCM,

Not absolute. At least I would prefer that. However, for a specific
application, it much depends on the actual cost of each stage( web client
to server, webserver, server to database server..). And the best way is

to

do some profiling and get some idea of the actual cost or bottleneck and

do

optimize against the critical point.

Sincerely,

Steven Cheng

Microsoft MSDN Online Support Lead


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>From: =?Utf-8?B?TUNN?= <MCM@newsgroup. nospam>
>References: <DB321895-A729-496F-B9B5-423029159B7B@mi crosoft.com>

<lzALYqj4IHA.40 56@TK2MSFTNGHUB 02.phx.gbl>
<26F3D2C0-3938-4A43-9AC5-25180A287D40@mi crosoft.com>
<uEmi0kn4IHA.13 40@TK2MSFTNGHUB 02.phx.gbl>

>Subject: RE: ViewState vs. Database
>Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 10:47:02 -0700

>
>1. If database server is powerful enough to support frequent

query/update

>processing or such operations are not quite frequent, I'll always do

the

>query instead of caching the data. Since that can save webserver memory.
>
>So from a performance perspective, saving webserver memory is more

important

>that reducing the load on the db server?
>
>2. If data is quite large and operations are so frequent that may

impact

>database server, I'll first consider caching data at server-side (such

as

>in memory cache) rather than use page's viewstate.
>
>This is an interesting idea. But this seems to contradict #1. So the
>question is still where to I want to place the heaviest load - web or db
>server?
>

>
>

[Steven Cheng [MSFT]]

RE: ViewState vs. Database

Thanks for your followup.

I'm glad that you've made the decision. If there is anything else we can
help in the future, welcome to post here.

Sincerely,

Steven Cheng

Microsoft MSDN Online Support Lead


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>Subject: RE: ViewState vs. Database
>Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 01:59:33 -0700

>Well, I decided for the best possible user performance, I need to disable
>ViewState as much as possible to keep the html smaller. The slowest part

of

>the network is the outbound data transfer to the client - much slower that
>the gig traffic on the internal network. However, from a cost perspective,
>building out a SQL cluster is more expensive than adding load balanced web
>servers. So rather than making extra db calls, I'm going to try and cache
>data on the webserver. This will of course mean a strain on RAM for the
>webserver, but that seems like the best performance to cost ratio I can

come

>up with.
>
>"Steven Cheng [MSFT]" wrote:
>

>Hi MCM,
>>
>How are you doing?
>>
>Have you got any further ideas on this or have you determined which
>approach to use? If there is anything else need help, please feel free

to

>post here.
>>
>Sincerely,
>>
>Steven Cheng
>Microsoft MSDN Online Support Lead
>>
>>
>Delighting our customers is our #1 priority. We welcome your comments

and

>suggestions about how we can improve the support we provide to you.

Please

>feel free to let my manager know what you think of the level of service
>provided. You can send feedback directly to my manager at:
>msdnmg@microsof t.com.
>>
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>>

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rights.

>>
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>>

>From: stcheng@online. microsoft.com (Steven Cheng [MSFT])
>Organization : Microsoft
>Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 02:09:59 GMT
>Subject: RE: ViewState vs. Database

>>

>
>Thanks for your reply MCM,
>
>Not absolute. At least I would prefer that. However, for a specific
>application, it much depends on the actual cost of each stage( web

client

>to server, webserver, server to database server..). And the best way

is

>to

>do some profiling and get some idea of the actual cost or bottleneck

and

>do

>optimize against the critical point.
>
>Sincerely,
>
>Steven Cheng
>
>Microsoft MSDN Online Support Lead
>
>
>Delighting our customers is our #1 priority. We welcome your comments

and

>suggestions about how we can improve the support we provide to you.

Please

>feel free to let my manager know what you think of the level of service
>provided. You can send feedback directly to my manager at:
>msdnmg@microso ft.com.
>
>--------------------
>
>>From: =?Utf-8?B?TUNN?= <MCM@newsgroup. nospam>
>>References: <DB321895-A729-496F-B9B5-423029159B7B@mi crosoft.com>
><lzALYqj4IHA.4 056@TK2MSFTNGHU B02.phx.gbl>
><26F3D2C0-3938-4A43-9AC5-25180A287D40@mi crosoft.com>
><uEmi0kn4IHA.1 340@TK2MSFTNGHU B02.phx.gbl>
>>Subject: RE: ViewState vs. Database
>>Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 10:47:02 -0700
>
>>
>>1. If database server is powerful enough to support frequent
>query/update
>>processing or such operations are not quite frequent, I'll always do

>the

>>query instead of caching the data. Since that can save webserver

memory.

>>
>>So from a performance perspective, saving webserver memory is more
>important
>>that reducing the load on the db server?
>>
>>2. If data is quite large and operations are so frequent that may

>impact

>>database server, I'll first consider caching data at server-side

(such

>as
>>in memory cache) rather than use page's viewstate.
>>
>>This is an interesting idea. But this seems to contradict #1. So the
>>question is still where to I want to place the heaviest load - web or

db

>>server?
>>

>>
>>

>