Academic vs Pro Licencing

[Matt Burland]

Re: Academic vs Pro Licencing

The only thing my EULA says about the academic version is this:

13. ACADEMIC EDITION SOFTWARE. To use Software identified as "Academic
Edition" or "AE," you must be a "Qualified Educational User." For
qualification-related questions, please contact the Microsoft Sales
Information Center/One Microsoft Way/Redmond, WA 98052-6399 or the Microsoft
subsidiary serving your country.

Which might imply that you have to continue to be a "Qualified Educational
User" to keep using it, but I'm pretty sure that I read somewhere that you
were allowed to continue using the software after graduation, but I can't
remember where I saw that. If I find it again, I'll post it, unless somebody
more qualified can answer the question in the meantime.

"Kory Postma" <kory_p@NOhotSP AMmail.com> wrote in message
news:63652259c0 31d3376d1a6dc06 6816f4f@news.te ranews.com...[color=blue]
> Well do you have the EULA from the academic version? Could you post
> it here?
> Kory
>
> On Mon, 17 Nov 2003 09:28:04 -0500, "Matt Burland"
> <anonymous@disc ussions.microso ft.com> wrote:
>[color=green]
> >I'm pretty sure you can still use it, but I'd certainly like the[/color][/color]
definitive[color=blue][color=green]
> >answer on that one. IIRC the deal with all the on campus Microsoft[/color][/color]
freebies[color=blue][color=green]
> >was that you were allowed to continue using them after you graduate. I
> >assume Microsoft are hoping you've got into the habit of upgrading by[/color][/color]
then[color=blue][color=green]
> >and will be willing to start paying for upgrades.
> >
> >
> >"Kory Postma" <kory_p@NOhotSP AMmail.com> wrote in message
> >news:ed3b4d945 abe9abd9835aa04 1da34759@news.t eranews.com...[color=darkred]
> >> Well here is another question then. I'm a student and say I bought a
> >> copy of it and then in another year I graduate and am no longer a
> >> student. Can I still use the software? According to some EULAs I
> >> think the answer would be no. Any information about this?
> >> Kory (actually a MSDN pro subscriber)
> >>
> >> On Thu, 13 Nov 2003 20:59:34 -0600, "Peter van der Goes"
> >> <p_vandergoes@m ars.cox.net> wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >> >"Dino Chiesa [Microsoft]" <dinoch@online. microsoft.com> wrote in[/color][/color][/color]
message[color=blue][color=green][color=darkred]
> >> >news:uskJP0hqD HA.2632@TK2MSFT NGP09.phx.gbl.. .
> >> >> In reply to the original request,
> >> >>
> >> >> MS provides a special pricing of Visual Studio to academic customers
> >> >without
> >> >> restricting the commercial use of apps produced with the tool. In[/color][/color][/color]
other[color=blue][color=green][color=darkred]
> >> >> words, a customer, if they meet the requirements for the academic[/color]
> >license,[color=darkred]
> >> >> can license the academic edition of VS, can build apps with it, and[/color][/color][/color]
can[color=blue][color=green][color=darkred]
> >> >sell
> >> >> those apps for commercial purposes.
> >> >>
> >> >> -Dino
> >> >>
> >> >> --
> >> >> Dino Chiesa
> >> >> Microsoft Developer Division
> >> >> d i n o c h @ o n l i n e . m i c r o s o f t . c o m
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >Dino,
> >> >Thank you very much for stepping in with a first-hand authoritative[/color]
> >answer![color=darkred]
> >> >The quote from George Conard should have been enough, but your[/color][/color][/color]
statement[color=blue][color=green]
> >is[color=darkred]
> >> >the definitive closer.
> >>[/color]
> >[/color]
>[/color]

[Matt Burland]

Re: Academic vs Pro Licencing

Just found something else on MS site
(http://www.microsoft.com/education/d...id=ca3faq#19):

Q20. What happens when students graduate? Can they legally keep the software
on their personal machines?

----------------------------------------------------------------------------
----
A. Yes. Upon graduation, students licensed under the Student Option are
granted perpetual use rights for the selected Campus Agreement products.

You will be responsible for ensuring that graduating students with perpetual
use rights receive a Student License Confirmation (Exhibit "1" to the
Subscription Enrollment) upon leaving the institution. Your institution must
have a Student Option agreement in place at the time of the student
graduates in order to distribute the Student License Confirmation.

Example: A university enters into a Campus Agreement on August 1, 2001. It
signs up for the Student Option and orders Office CDs for students. In
January 2002, 100 students graduate. These students are legally licensed to
keep the software on their personal machines when they graduate. If the
university decides not to renew its Campus Agreement Student Option on
August 1, 2002, all remaining students must remove the software from their
machines at the institution's liability. If the university has not renewed
the Agreement and students graduate after August 1, 2002, they do not
legally own the software license(s) and must remove it from their machines.

So, if I'm understanding this correctly, if the university still has the
campus agreement with MS when the student graduates, the student can keep
the software. But if the university fails to renew the agreement, everybody
on campus must remove the software from their computers, but I think people
who have already graduated before that are still okay. It makes sense since
technically the students usually do pay for the software through their
"computer and technology" fee (or whatever any given university chooses to
call it). On the other hand, I'm not sure where you get a "Student License
Confirmation"?

"Matt Burland" <anonymous@disc ussions.microso ft.com> wrote in message
news:e%23OWn8Rr DHA.3320@tk2msf tngp13.phx.gbl. ..[color=blue]
> The only thing my EULA says about the academic version is this:
>
> 13. ACADEMIC EDITION SOFTWARE. To use Software identified as "Academic
> Edition" or "AE," you must be a "Qualified Educational User." For
> qualification-related questions, please contact the Microsoft Sales
> Information Center/One Microsoft Way/Redmond, WA 98052-6399 or the[/color]
Microsoft[color=blue]
> subsidiary serving your country.
>
> Which might imply that you have to continue to be a "Qualified Educational
> User" to keep using it, but I'm pretty sure that I read somewhere that you
> were allowed to continue using the software after graduation, but I can't
> remember where I saw that. If I find it again, I'll post it, unless[/color]
somebody[color=blue]
> more qualified can answer the question in the meantime.
>
> "Kory Postma" <kory_p@NOhotSP AMmail.com> wrote in message
> news:63652259c0 31d3376d1a6dc06 6816f4f@news.te ranews.com...[color=green]
> > Well do you have the EULA from the academic version? Could you post
> > it here?
> > Kory
> >
> > On Mon, 17 Nov 2003 09:28:04 -0500, "Matt Burland"
> > <anonymous@disc ussions.microso ft.com> wrote:
> >[color=darkred]
> > >I'm pretty sure you can still use it, but I'd certainly like the[/color][/color]
> definitive[color=green][color=darkred]
> > >answer on that one. IIRC the deal with all the on campus Microsoft[/color][/color]
> freebies[color=green][color=darkred]
> > >was that you were allowed to continue using them after you graduate. I
> > >assume Microsoft are hoping you've got into the habit of upgrading by[/color][/color]
> then[color=green][color=darkred]
> > >and will be willing to start paying for upgrades.
> > >
> > >
> > >"Kory Postma" <kory_p@NOhotSP AMmail.com> wrote in message
> > >news:ed3b4d945 abe9abd9835aa04 1da34759@news.t eranews.com...
> > >> Well here is another question then. I'm a student and say I bought a
> > >> copy of it and then in another year I graduate and am no longer a
> > >> student. Can I still use the software? According to some EULAs I
> > >> think the answer would be no. Any information about this?
> > >> Kory (actually a MSDN pro subscriber)
> > >>
> > >> On Thu, 13 Nov 2003 20:59:34 -0600, "Peter van der Goes"
> > >> <p_vandergoes@m ars.cox.net> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> >
> > >> >"Dino Chiesa [Microsoft]" <dinoch@online. microsoft.com> wrote in[/color][/color]
> message[color=green][color=darkred]
> > >> >news:uskJP0hqD HA.2632@TK2MSFT NGP09.phx.gbl.. .
> > >> >> In reply to the original request,
> > >> >>
> > >> >> MS provides a special pricing of Visual Studio to academic[/color][/color][/color]
customers[color=blue][color=green][color=darkred]
> > >> >without
> > >> >> restricting the commercial use of apps produced with the tool. In[/color][/color]
> other[color=green][color=darkred]
> > >> >> words, a customer, if they meet the requirements for the academic
> > >license,
> > >> >> can license the academic edition of VS, can build apps with it,[/color][/color][/color]
and[color=blue]
> can[color=green][color=darkred]
> > >> >sell
> > >> >> those apps for commercial purposes.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> -Dino
> > >> >>
> > >> >> --
> > >> >> Dino Chiesa
> > >> >> Microsoft Developer Division
> > >> >> d i n o c h @ o n l i n e . m i c r o s o f t . c o m
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >Dino,
> > >> >Thank you very much for stepping in with a first-hand authoritative
> > >answer!
> > >> >The quote from George Conard should have been enough, but your[/color][/color]
> statement[color=green][color=darkred]
> > >is
> > >> >the definitive closer.
> > >>
> > >[/color]
> >[/color]
>
>[/color]

[Matt Burland]

Re: Academic vs Pro Licencing

Just found something else on MS site
(http://www.microsoft.com/education/d...id=ca3faq#19):

Q20. What happens when students graduate? Can they legally keep the software
on their personal machines?

----------------------------------------------------------------------------
----
A. Yes. Upon graduation, students licensed under the Student Option are
granted perpetual use rights for the selected Campus Agreement products.

You will be responsible for ensuring that graduating students with perpetual
use rights receive a Student License Confirmation (Exhibit "1" to the
Subscription Enrollment) upon leaving the institution. Your institution must
have a Student Option agreement in place at the time of the student
graduates in order to distribute the Student License Confirmation.

Example: A university enters into a Campus Agreement on August 1, 2001. It
signs up for the Student Option and orders Office CDs for students. In
January 2002, 100 students graduate. These students are legally licensed to
keep the software on their personal machines when they graduate. If the
university decides not to renew its Campus Agreement Student Option on
August 1, 2002, all remaining students must remove the software from their
machines at the institution's liability. If the university has not renewed
the Agreement and students graduate after August 1, 2002, they do not
legally own the software license(s) and must remove it from their machines.

So, if I'm understanding this correctly, if the university still has the
campus agreement with MS when the student graduates, the student can keep
the software. But if the university fails to renew the agreement, everybody
on campus must remove the software from their computers, but I think people
who have already graduated before that are still okay. It makes sense since
technically the students usually do pay for the software through their
"computer and technology" fee (or whatever any given university chooses to
call it). On the other hand, I'm not sure where you get a "Student License
Confirmation"?

"Matt Burland" <anonymous@disc ussions.microso ft.com> wrote in message
news:e%23OWn8Rr DHA.3320@tk2msf tngp13.phx.gbl. ..[color=blue]
> The only thing my EULA says about the academic version is this:
>
> 13. ACADEMIC EDITION SOFTWARE. To use Software identified as "Academic
> Edition" or "AE," you must be a "Qualified Educational User." For
> qualification-related questions, please contact the Microsoft Sales
> Information Center/One Microsoft Way/Redmond, WA 98052-6399 or the[/color]
Microsoft[color=blue]
> subsidiary serving your country.
>
> Which might imply that you have to continue to be a "Qualified Educational
> User" to keep using it, but I'm pretty sure that I read somewhere that you
> were allowed to continue using the software after graduation, but I can't
> remember where I saw that. If I find it again, I'll post it, unless[/color]
somebody[color=blue]
> more qualified can answer the question in the meantime.
>
> "Kory Postma" <kory_p@NOhotSP AMmail.com> wrote in message
> news:63652259c0 31d3376d1a6dc06 6816f4f@news.te ranews.com...[color=green]
> > Well do you have the EULA from the academic version? Could you post
> > it here?
> > Kory
> >
> > On Mon, 17 Nov 2003 09:28:04 -0500, "Matt Burland"
> > <anonymous@disc ussions.microso ft.com> wrote:
> >[color=darkred]
> > >I'm pretty sure you can still use it, but I'd certainly like the[/color][/color]
> definitive[color=green][color=darkred]
> > >answer on that one. IIRC the deal with all the on campus Microsoft[/color][/color]
> freebies[color=green][color=darkred]
> > >was that you were allowed to continue using them after you graduate. I
> > >assume Microsoft are hoping you've got into the habit of upgrading by[/color][/color]
> then[color=green][color=darkred]
> > >and will be willing to start paying for upgrades.
> > >
> > >
> > >"Kory Postma" <kory_p@NOhotSP AMmail.com> wrote in message
> > >news:ed3b4d945 abe9abd9835aa04 1da34759@news.t eranews.com...
> > >> Well here is another question then. I'm a student and say I bought a
> > >> copy of it and then in another year I graduate and am no longer a
> > >> student. Can I still use the software? According to some EULAs I
> > >> think the answer would be no. Any information about this?
> > >> Kory (actually a MSDN pro subscriber)
> > >>
> > >> On Thu, 13 Nov 2003 20:59:34 -0600, "Peter van der Goes"
> > >> <p_vandergoes@m ars.cox.net> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> >
> > >> >"Dino Chiesa [Microsoft]" <dinoch@online. microsoft.com> wrote in[/color][/color]
> message[color=green][color=darkred]
> > >> >news:uskJP0hqD HA.2632@TK2MSFT NGP09.phx.gbl.. .
> > >> >> In reply to the original request,
> > >> >>
> > >> >> MS provides a special pricing of Visual Studio to academic[/color][/color][/color]
customers[color=blue][color=green][color=darkred]
> > >> >without
> > >> >> restricting the commercial use of apps produced with the tool. In[/color][/color]
> other[color=green][color=darkred]
> > >> >> words, a customer, if they meet the requirements for the academic
> > >license,
> > >> >> can license the academic edition of VS, can build apps with it,[/color][/color][/color]
and[color=blue]
> can[color=green][color=darkred]
> > >> >sell
> > >> >> those apps for commercial purposes.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> -Dino
> > >> >>
> > >> >> --
> > >> >> Dino Chiesa
> > >> >> Microsoft Developer Division
> > >> >> d i n o c h @ o n l i n e . m i c r o s o f t . c o m
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >Dino,
> > >> >Thank you very much for stepping in with a first-hand authoritative
> > >answer!
> > >> >The quote from George Conard should have been enough, but your[/color][/color]
> statement[color=green][color=darkred]
> > >is
> > >> >the definitive closer.
> > >>
> > >[/color]
> >[/color]
>
>[/color]

[Peter van der Goes]

Re: Academic vs Pro Licencing


"Matt Burland" <anonymous@disc ussions.microso ft.com> wrote in message
news:e%23OWn8Rr DHA.3320@tk2msf tngp13.phx.gbl. ..[color=blue]
> The only thing my EULA says about the academic version is this:
>
> 13. ACADEMIC EDITION SOFTWARE. To use Software identified as "Academic
> Edition" or "AE," you must be a "Qualified Educational User." For
> qualification-related questions, please contact the Microsoft Sales
> Information Center/One Microsoft Way/Redmond, WA 98052-6399 or the[/color]
Microsoft[color=blue]
> subsidiary serving your country.
>
> Which might imply that you have to continue to be a "Qualified Educational
> User" to keep using it, but I'm pretty sure that I read somewhere that you
> were allowed to continue using the software after graduation, but I can't
> remember where I saw that. If I find it again, I'll post it, unless[/color]
somebody[color=blue]
> more qualified can answer the question in the meantime.
>[/color]
Matt, thank you for taking the trouble to quote the pertinent section of the
EULA, which provides the point of contact if the reader needs clarification.

--
Peter - [MVP - .NET Academic]

[Peter van der Goes]

Re: Academic vs Pro Licencing


"Matt Burland" <anonymous@disc ussions.microso ft.com> wrote in message
news:e%23OWn8Rr DHA.3320@tk2msf tngp13.phx.gbl. ..[color=blue]
> The only thing my EULA says about the academic version is this:
>
> 13. ACADEMIC EDITION SOFTWARE. To use Software identified as "Academic
> Edition" or "AE," you must be a "Qualified Educational User." For
> qualification-related questions, please contact the Microsoft Sales
> Information Center/One Microsoft Way/Redmond, WA 98052-6399 or the[/color]
Microsoft[color=blue]
> subsidiary serving your country.
>
> Which might imply that you have to continue to be a "Qualified Educational
> User" to keep using it, but I'm pretty sure that I read somewhere that you
> were allowed to continue using the software after graduation, but I can't
> remember where I saw that. If I find it again, I'll post it, unless[/color]
somebody[color=blue]
> more qualified can answer the question in the meantime.
>[/color]
Matt, thank you for taking the trouble to quote the pertinent section of the
EULA, which provides the point of contact if the reader needs clarification.

--
Peter - [MVP - .NET Academic]

[Peter van der Goes]

Re: Academic vs Pro Licencing


"Kory Postma" <kory_p@NOhotSP AMmail.com> wrote in message
news:63652259c0 31d3376d1a6dc06 6816f4f@news.te ranews.com...[color=blue]
> Well do you have the EULA from the academic version? Could you post
> it here?
> Kory
>[/color]
Matt has posted the applicable section of the EULA as provided with the
retail boxed product. If you have further questions, I'd suggest writing a
letter to Microsoft, using the address provided, as the best way to get the
answers you seek.

--
Peter - [MVP - .NET Academic]

[Peter van der Goes]

Re: Academic vs Pro Licencing


"Kory Postma" <kory_p@NOhotSP AMmail.com> wrote in message
news:63652259c0 31d3376d1a6dc06 6816f4f@news.te ranews.com...[color=blue]
> Well do you have the EULA from the academic version? Could you post
> it here?
> Kory
>[/color]
Matt has posted the applicable section of the EULA as provided with the
retail boxed product. If you have further questions, I'd suggest writing a
letter to Microsoft, using the address provided, as the best way to get the
answers you seek.

--
Peter - [MVP - .NET Academic]