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  • Tom Serface
    #1

    VS Launch

    I attended the VS Launch in San Francisco yesterday. To be fair, the launch
    was shared with SQL Server 2005 and BizTalk 2006, but I was mostly
    interested in Visual Studio. Most of the special talks were centered around
    using VS with SQL and BizTalk as expected, but I got a chance to talk to
    lots of experts and I came away with a couple of impressions:

    1. I can't wait to start using VS 2005 as a C++ programming. The
    improvements to MFC and the IDE are worth the price of upgrade imo.
    2. I think Team System looks very promising and I went from not really
    understanding it to thinking I need to convice our company to invest in it.
    3. Net 2.0 really looks incredibly promising. There have been tons of
    improvements.
    4. I don't think I'll invest time in WinForms. I think I'll just keep using
    MFC and start investing in WPF (WinFX and eventually Windows Vista).

    There were a lot of people there. Several people I talked to in lines
    didn't even know why they were there, but just heard Microsoft was having a
    party and wanted free-stuff. Others were very well informed and I had
    several interesting conversations during the day. It was a long day and
    after waiting for over 1/2 an hour in line to get a few bites of cheese we
    decided we'd call it a day and left before the big party last evening.

    One really exciting piece of news: You can download and use Visual Studio
    Express for C#, VB, J#, or C++ for a year absolutely free. This is a great
    way to get a look at the new IDE, etc.

    http://msdn.microsoft.com/vstudio/express/default.aspx

    You can also get SQL 2005 Express for the same, um, price, although there
    doesn't seem to be a time limit on that one. My hats off to Micrsoft for
    helping younger people, those with lower financial ability, and college
    students to get copies of this valuable software for free. Good stuff.

    Tom



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    • Nishant Sivakumar
      #2
      Re: VS Launch

      I think it's awesome of Microsoft to give the Express editions for free -
      it'll help a lot of students who can't afford the professional editions.

      --
      Regards,
      Nish [VC++ MVP]


      "Tom Serface" <tserface@msn.c om> wrote in message
      news:upnQCtI5FH A.1464@tk2msftn gp13.phx.gbl...[color=blue]
      >I attended the VS Launch in San Francisco yesterday. To be fair, the
      >launch was shared with SQL Server 2005 and BizTalk 2006, but I was mostly
      >interested in Visual Studio. Most of the special talks were centered
      >around using VS with SQL and BizTalk as expected, but I got a chance to
      >talk to lots of experts and I came away with a couple of impressions:
      >
      > 1. I can't wait to start using VS 2005 as a C++ programming. The
      > improvements to MFC and the IDE are worth the price of upgrade imo.
      > 2. I think Team System looks very promising and I went from not really
      > understanding it to thinking I need to convice our company to invest in
      > it.
      > 3. Net 2.0 really looks incredibly promising. There have been tons of
      > improvements.
      > 4. I don't think I'll invest time in WinForms. I think I'll just keep
      > using MFC and start investing in WPF (WinFX and eventually Windows Vista).
      >
      > There were a lot of people there. Several people I talked to in lines
      > didn't even know why they were there, but just heard Microsoft was having
      > a party and wanted free-stuff. Others were very well informed and I had
      > several interesting conversations during the day. It was a long day and
      > after waiting for over 1/2 an hour in line to get a few bites of cheese we
      > decided we'd call it a day and left before the big party last evening.
      >
      > One really exciting piece of news: You can download and use Visual Studio
      > Express for C#, VB, J#, or C++ for a year absolutely free. This is a
      > great way to get a look at the new IDE, etc.
      >
      > http://msdn.microsoft.com/vstudio/express/default.aspx
      >
      > You can also get SQL 2005 Express for the same, um, price, although there
      > doesn't seem to be a time limit on that one. My hats off to Micrsoft for
      > helping younger people, those with lower financial ability, and college
      > students to get copies of this valuable software for free. Good stuff.
      >
      > Tom
      >
      >
      >[/color]


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        • Tom Serface
          #3
          Re: VS Launch

          I think so too and I also think it is a gutsy move. They've tried giving
          way (almost) down level versions, but that always seemed cheesy to me. I
          think making this move is going to really help encourage students of all
          ages to try the products and hopefully they learn lifelong skills ... from a
          marketing perspective they will eventually be the cause of a sale no doubt.

          Tom

          "Nishant Sivakumar" <nish@nospam.as ianetindia.com> wrote in message
          news:upjIvaK5FH A.2624@TK2MSFTN GP14.phx.gbl...[color=blue]
          >I think it's awesome of Microsoft to give the Express editions for free -
          >it'll help a lot of students who can't afford the professional editions.
          >
          > --
          > Regards,
          > Nish [VC++ MVP][/color]


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            • Peter Oliphant
              #4
              Re: VS Launch

              Sounds like a worthwhile seminar to go to... : )

              In regards to the 'free' copy of VS.NET Express, I'd like to point out the
              following quote from their FAQ page:

              " 11. You said "free for one year" - what does that mean, exactly? Will you
              be charging for this later?
              We originally announced pricing of Visual Studio Express at US$49. We are
              now offering Visual Studio Express for free, as a limited-in-time
              promotional offer, until November 6, 2006. Note that we are also offering
              SQL Server 2005 Express Edition as a free download, and that this offer is
              not limited to the same promotional pricing period as Visual Studio
              Express."

              Now, how does the above at all answer the question "Will you be charging for
              this later?". That is, what EXACTLY happens on Nov 6, 2006? Does it stop
              working? Does it require an upgrade? Does it require purchasing a license? I
              get a bit 'annoyed' by FAQ's that present a question I'm interested in and
              then don't answer it...! (hehe)

              [==P==]



              "Tom Serface" <tserface@msn.c om> wrote in message
              news:upnQCtI5FH A.1464@tk2msftn gp13.phx.gbl...[color=blue]
              >I attended the VS Launch in San Francisco yesterday. To be fair, the
              >launch was shared with SQL Server 2005 and BizTalk 2006, but I was mostly
              >interested in Visual Studio. Most of the special talks were centered
              >around using VS with SQL and BizTalk as expected, but I got a chance to
              >talk to lots of experts and I came away with a couple of impressions:
              >
              > 1. I can't wait to start using VS 2005 as a C++ programming. The
              > improvements to MFC and the IDE are worth the price of upgrade imo.
              > 2. I think Team System looks very promising and I went from not really
              > understanding it to thinking I need to convice our company to invest in
              > it.
              > 3. Net 2.0 really looks incredibly promising. There have been tons of
              > improvements.
              > 4. I don't think I'll invest time in WinForms. I think I'll just keep
              > using MFC and start investing in WPF (WinFX and eventually Windows Vista).
              >
              > There were a lot of people there. Several people I talked to in lines
              > didn't even know why they were there, but just heard Microsoft was having
              > a party and wanted free-stuff. Others were very well informed and I had
              > several interesting conversations during the day. It was a long day and
              > after waiting for over 1/2 an hour in line to get a few bites of cheese we
              > decided we'd call it a day and left before the big party last evening.
              >
              > One really exciting piece of news: You can download and use Visual Studio
              > Express for C#, VB, J#, or C++ for a year absolutely free. This is a
              > great way to get a look at the new IDE, etc.
              >
              > http://msdn.microsoft.com/vstudio/express/default.aspx
              >
              > You can also get SQL 2005 Express for the same, um, price, although there
              > doesn't seem to be a time limit on that one. My hats off to Micrsoft for
              > helping younger people, those with lower financial ability, and college
              > students to get copies of this valuable software for free. Good stuff.
              >
              > Tom
              >
              >
              >[/color]


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                • brengarne
                  #5
                  Re: VS Launch

                  If you Download and regiser your version before Nov 6 2006 then you
                  legally own a licenced product and dont need to pay (except if you
                  choose to upgrade later).

                  They put a clarification of this on a FAQ somewhere but I cant remember
                  where I saw it.


                  Also interesting to note is that you can download the PSDK for VC++
                  Express and with a few config changes all the MFC features come alive,
                  so there is very little functional difference betwene this and the paid
                  version (mostly just fluff)

                  http://msdn.microsoft.com/vstudio/ex...k/default.aspx

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                    • Tom Serface
                      #6
                      Re: VS Launch

                      Correct. The goal is to get it out there. I think they put the time limit
                      so they can revisit how this works and change it if they want. I wouldn't
                      be surprised if the time limit got extended, but you never know. Better to
                      download now rather that test that theory.

                      Tom

                      "brengarne" <david@davies.n et> wrote in message
                      news:1131678082 .239582.295580@ g49g2000cwa.goo glegroups.com.. .[color=blue]
                      > If you Download and regiser your version before Nov 6 2006 then you
                      > legally own a licenced product and dont need to pay (except if you
                      > choose to upgrade later).
                      >
                      > They put a clarification of this on a FAQ somewhere but I cant remember
                      > where I saw it.
                      >
                      >
                      > Also interesting to note is that you can download the PSDK for VC++
                      > Express and with a few config changes all the MFC features come alive,
                      > so there is very little functional difference betwene this and the paid
                      > version (mostly just fluff)
                      >
                      > http://msdn.microsoft.com/vstudio/ex...k/default.aspx
                      >[/color]


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