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  • theintrepidfox@hotmail.com

    Mimarsinan InstallAWARE - Read before you buy!

    Dear Group

    My personal review of MimarSinan InstallAWARE Studio 2005 SE as a
    courtesy for everyone considering evaluating or buying this product.
    There are many reviews out there praising the products features so I
    thought I may add my own review, information collected while creating a
    project in a live environment.

    I've to say, at first glance this product has a lot to offer and seems
    to be a better choice than InstallShield Professional which I evaluated
    at the same time. InstallAWARE's pricing is also very competitive.

    On overall, this is a product with some quirks. One will get used to
    them quickly. I appreciate that no produt is perfect and apprecite when
    a software vendor takes a greater emphasis on robustness rather than
    the UI and I hope that this product becomes more UI compliant as a user
    would expect over the years to come.
    It's most powerful feature are with no doubt the script editor as well
    as the flexibility in designing dialogs.

    However, I've reservations and serious concerns about the level of
    support being available and having received and if I had this known
    before I certainly would not recommend this product despite its
    features and price unless there's reassurance by MimarSinan that they
    will improve in this matter.

    The company seems to consist of only its founder, Sinan Karaca. At
    least that is my impression as all support emails I receive come from
    his email address. This raises concerns what the situation will be if
    that only person becomes ill.

    Another disappointing experience was the quality of support received.
    As I mentioned, as a developer I appreciate that no software is perfect
    as long as this is backed up by keen and pro-active support striving to
    resolve any issues.[color=blue]
    >From my emails to support I didn't get the impression that the company[/color]
    is actually too interested and an 'error by trial' policy seems to be
    in place. I could tolerate this for complex problems and sure would try
    this myself before contacting support but if it was in fact the company
    founder who provided me with this level of support regarding issues
    that seem to be obviously a malfunction in their application then I
    start wondering how much they really appreciate their customers apart
    from just paying for the product.

    Before you contact support one might however consult the InstallAWARE
    Help or Support Forum. Help provides basic information to most common
    questions but I found that many object properties which I came across
    on a regular basis are not listed. One of the biggest drawbacks after
    support in my opinion. Consulting the support forum did not yield more
    answers to my questions apart from not very detailed replies or the
    information that this has never been reported before and therefore must
    not be the products fault.

    In general, most issues seem to be the customers problem and any of my
    suggestions that it migt indeed a problem with the product and any
    offered assistance in investigating this issue further were turned down
    by InstallAWARE with the response that I can either pay for
    professional consultancy or that I can find the answer in going through
    their sample applications. May I point out that I never expected them
    to do my project for me and as having worked in support myself very
    well know what falls in the category consultancy/training or support.

    Not satisfiying but tolerable if the sample I'm directed to actually
    had addressed my problem. However, in one instance for a Button.click
    event a Checkbox.Value sample was suggested.

    Summed up, InstallAWARE support email responses might be quick, on
    average instant to 8hrs but the quality of support, the help and online
    forum has to be questioned.

    Just as final point to add, one might stick to email requests as any
    call to the company I made was answered by an answering machine and the
    one request for a callback was never returned. Despite InstallAWARE
    providing the option of phone support on their website.
    I might also add, that I tried both numbers, the one in San Francisco,
    California and the one in Turkey which can be found on the MirmarSinan
    website during the countries respective business hours.

    I hope that this is informative to anyone considerating or using
    InstallAWARE. I certainly will keep you updated should I have more
    information in the future and let you know of any improvements I
    notice. Please note that my case might be just an exception and I
    invite everyone to try for themselves.

    Best Regards,

    Martin N Feuersteiner
    Invent2b - Innovative Property Business Solutions

  • mimarsinan@gmail.com

    #2
    Re: Mimarsinan InstallAWARE - Read before you buy!

    Dear Martin

    Unfortunately, we do not have a free service that builds and debugs
    setups for our customers at this time.

    Since you seemed to be unable to invest any time into the product (as
    evidenced by the gross misunderstandin g of some of the support emails
    you were sent), we thought outsourcing your setup might be the right
    thing for your time constraints. I am sorry if it was inappropriate to
    suggest our consulting services for you.

    Seeing that you do not appreciate our prompt support replies, we will
    withdraw the courtesy of free support that was extended to you three
    months after your 30-day support period had already expired.

    Sincerely,
    Sinan

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    • John Timney \(ASP.NET MVP\)

      #3
      Re: Mimarsinan InstallAWARE - Read before you buy!

      I'm not sure if your response was worse than Martins post or not.

      He was actually fairly complementary of your product. However - his now
      very valid criticism of your support approach appears to have been more than
      justifed in your unprofessional response.

      Regards

      John Timney
      ASP.NET MVP
      Microsoft Regional Director

      <mimarsinan@gma il.com> wrote in message
      news:1128888731 .306340.275380@ o13g2000cwo.goo glegroups.com.. .[color=blue]
      > Dear Martin
      >
      > Unfortunately, we do not have a free service that builds and debugs
      > setups for our customers at this time.
      >
      > Since you seemed to be unable to invest any time into the product (as
      > evidenced by the gross misunderstandin g of some of the support emails
      > you were sent), we thought outsourcing your setup might be the right
      > thing for your time constraints. I am sorry if it was inappropriate to
      > suggest our consulting services for you.
      >
      > Seeing that you do not appreciate our prompt support replies, we will
      > withdraw the courtesy of free support that was extended to you three
      > months after your 30-day support period had already expired.
      >
      > Sincerely,
      > Sinan
      >[/color]


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      • mimarsinan@gmail.com

        #4
        Re: Mimarsinan InstallAWARE - Read before you buy!

        My reply to Martin may have been a bit harsh, but it is intended to be
        so: Our customers receive near instant pre and post purchase support.
        Sometimes this is seen as license to abuse the support system, and can
        rapidly evolve into a situation wherein the customer expects
        InstallAware to code and test their setups for them.

        No installer vendor will do this. On that note, I would also encourage
        you to try and find installer vendors who provide free support, well
        beyond the end of the support contract, and do it in 24 hours
        consistently (save 8 hours, or instantly, as Martin himself admits).

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        • mimarsinan@gmail.com

          #5
          Re: Mimarsinan InstallAWARE - Read before you buy!

          My reply to Martin may have been a bit harsh, but it is intended to be
          so: Our customers receive near instant pre and post purchase support.
          Sometimes this is seen as license to abuse the support system, and can
          rapidly evolve into a situation wherein the customer expects
          InstallAware to code and test their setups for them.

          No installer vendor will do this. On that note, I would also encourage
          you to try and find installer vendors who provide free support, well
          beyond the end of the support contract, and do it in 24 hours
          consistently (save 8 hours, or instantly, as Martin himself admits).

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          • theintrepidfox@hotmail.com

            #6
            Re: Mimarsinan InstallAWARE - Read before you buy!

            Dear Sinan


            May I first post the reply of yours you sent to me and graciously
            allowed me to ammend to this post so everyone can form their objective
            opinion.
            I'll comment on your reply to my post following this.


            From: Sinan Karaca [mailto:sin...@m imarsinan.com]
            Sent: 09 October 2005 20:38
            To: 'M N Feuersteiner'
            Subject: RE: For your attention

            Martin


            You are entitled to your views, and publicly sharing them.


            Unfortunately, your post, and nothing else that I can conceive of, will

            cause me (or any other person working at InstallAware) to spoonfeed
            you.


            If you still have questions - review the license agreement you accepted

            when
            installing the product, specifically the section on support.


            Please feel free to add this email message to the end of your post, I
            would
            be happy for others to see it as well.


            Sincerely,
            Sinan


            --- Message End

            [color=blue]
            >Unfortunatel y, we do not have a free service that builds and debugs
            >setups for our customers at this time.[/color]


            At no time did I ask you to build or debug a project for me. The case
            is that I actually offered you a project for reference to investigate
            an obvious bug in InstallAWARE.

            [color=blue]
            >Since you seemed to be unable to invest any time into the product (as
            >evidenced by the gross misunderstandin g of some of the support emails
            >you were sent), we thought outsourcing your setup might be the right
            >thing for your time constraints. I am sorry if it was inappropriate to
            >suggest our consulting services for you.[/color]


            May you please post details of my gross misunderstandin g with your
            software as I believe that lack of information in help files as well as

            bugs do not justify your choice of words. I'm happy for you to post my
            messages in full and give you permission to do so. May in return will
            you grant me permission to publish your replies to those requests so an

            objective view for other users is maintained?

            [color=blue]
            >Seeing that you do not appreciate our prompt support replies, we will
            >withdraw the courtesy of free support that was extended to you three
            >months after your 30-day support period had already expired.[/color]


            As you may have seen in my original post, at no time have I disregarded

            the speed of replies to requests and actually have thanked you and
            pointed out that fact in emails to you. However, the quality of support

            was not satisfactionary in my opinion.
            You may withdraw support at your discretion but strongly believe that
            the initial 30-Day period for the company to which I''ve recommended
            your product and who has made a purchase has not ended yet. I'll check
            this with them.


            I hope you will be pleased that I've passed my spoonfeed age a couple
            of years ago but if something is just not working I'll start crying and

            hope that its put right.


            All I can say dear Sinan, I'm grateful for you entering into this
            dialog but sense some hostility in your reply. Maybe this is just my
            perception but certainly not one most customers will appreciate.


            Anyway, I'd be grateful if you can comment on the other points of my
            post such as the content of the help file and the answering machine
            when calling the corporate number. Do you have a receptionist?


            Best Regards,


            Martin

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            • theintrepidfox@hotmail.com

              #7
              Re: Mimarsinan InstallAWARE - Read before you buy!

              Dear Sinan

              I fully understand and share your view that customers often take
              advantage of support and expect free training or coding.
              However, I never asked you to do so but offered my project as a
              reference to you for investigating a bug without expecting to being
              returned to me in working order. That was simply a curtesy on my side
              to improve your product for the future as I think it's great in
              functionality but needs some work done.
              This is different and for a developer and someone who has obviously
              been in the business I'd expect that you can see this distinction.

              May I also mention that I sent you requests for a company which has
              actually purchased your product and now has problems meeting client
              deadlines because of infunctionaliti es in InstallAWARE which were
              apraised as great features on your website.
              These include problems with .avi files, problems with .bmp files,
              problems with .fla files and patching products and objects missing or
              displaying incorrectly.
              I appreciate that I might have asked you questions besides these issues
              but that was purely because the support forum and help didn't provide
              an answer. Otherwise I had not contacted you.

              Believe me, I've spent more than enough time evaluating InstallAWARE
              and think you are not in a position to criticise me for being to
              careless trying to get the project in question to work. May I just say,
              without sounding full of myself that I've a sound background in .NET
              development, Software Quality Assurance and technical authoring and now
              what standards I can expect.And I'm not alone as two other very
              experienced developers share my views.

              May I repeat myself and say that InstallAWARE is an excellent product
              being put at a lower rank because of the support and Help File content.
              I can understand and know by myself that building up a company is not
              easy and I am sure that you must have all hands full and only can
              concentrate on the most pressing issues, that is placing the product in
              the market. But please don't make the same mistake so much other
              companies made and had to learn the hard way. That support is as
              important as the product itself. I'm happy to work with you on this if
              you can accept objective criticism rather then to reject it.

              Now, putting everything aside, are you willing to work with me on the
              issues that are obviously a malfunction in InstallAWARE and sort them
              out, not only for your customers satisfaction but for the benefit of
              your product?

              Beast Regards,

              Martin
              Invent2b - Innovative Property Business Solutions

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              • Andrew  Neillans

                #8
                Re: Mimarsinan InstallAWARE - Read before you buy!

                Hi Martin,

                I think you are being a little harsh; I've been using InstallAware for
                some time (over a year now), and haven't had major difficulties.
                Granted, some parts of the documentation could do with some improvement
                (at least, that was true for the pre-2005 edition, I haven't looked a
                the help in the 2005 edition yet - haven't needed to!), however,
                whenever I have had a question I've either posted on the support
                forums, or e-mailed the InstallAware support team - I've always had an
                informed response, that has given me direction in looking for a
                solution.

                I've only found a 'bug' with IA once, and after submitting a small
                example project (not a full project, but one that was cut down to only
                show the bug in its own right), it was rapidly fixed - and a new build
                made available. I think if you are able to create a very simple example
                of the error your are receiving, in a new project, with no (or little)
                additional code, you will find the IA team willing to investigate - I
                am sure you can understand from a software developers point of view, it
                is better to be given a small case that simply shows the problem,
                instead of working through a large project looking for the cause.

                Unfortunately I can not comment on the telephone support issue you
                mention - I personally stick to e-mail / web based support, as
                calling abroad from the UK soon adds up!! Maybe it was an issue brought
                up due to time differences?

                Regards,

                Andy Neillans

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                • John Timney \( MVP \)

                  #9
                  Re: Mimarsinan InstallAWARE - Read before you buy!

                  Sinan,

                  Dont get me wrong, I'm not criticising you product or your support
                  approach - only your reply. I dont think a public forum is the correct
                  place to air this type of dispute. You would be better off taking this to a
                  private discussion, or not responding at all rather than make your company
                  look bad.

                  --
                  Regards

                  John Timney
                  ASP.NET MVP
                  Microsoft Regional Director

                  <mimarsinan@gma il.com> wrote in message
                  news:1128897949 .834438.167150@ g47g2000cwa.goo glegroups.com.. .[color=blue]
                  > My reply to Martin may have been a bit harsh, but it is intended to be
                  > so: Our customers receive near instant pre and post purchase support.
                  > Sometimes this is seen as license to abuse the support system, and can
                  > rapidly evolve into a situation wherein the customer expects
                  > InstallAware to code and test their setups for them.
                  >
                  > No installer vendor will do this. On that note, I would also encourage
                  > you to try and find installer vendors who provide free support, well
                  > beyond the end of the support contract, and do it in 24 hours
                  > consistently (save 8 hours, or instantly, as Martin himself admits).
                  >[/color]


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