Date and Time

[shapper]

Hello,

Is there any function to convert a Date/Time from UTC to the user
client zone and back from user client zone to UTC?

I want to store Date/Time in UTC in the database but display it in
local use Date/Time.

Thanks,
Miguel

[Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn]

Re: Date and Time

shapper wrote:

Is there any function to convert a Date/Time from UTC to the user
client zone and back from user client zone to UTC?

Probably yes. Please define "UTC" and "user client zone".


PointedEars
--
Anyone who slaps a 'this page is best viewed with Browser X' label on
a Web page appears to be yearning for the bad old days, before the Web,
when you had very little chance of reading a document written on another
computer, another word processor, or another network. -- Tim Berners-Lee

[Dr J R Stockton]

Re: Date and Time

On Sep 4, 10:37 pm, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedE...@we b.de>
wrote:

shapper wrote:

Is there any function to convert a Date/Time from UTC to the user
client zone and back from user client zone to UTC?

>
Probably yes.  Please define "UTC" and "user client zone".

Is that ignorance or merely perversity? UTC is a standard term, and
can be found in ISO/IEC 16262 with which you should be familiar (31
times, as a "word"; others as part of a method name). And "user
client zone" makes aense in English, thogh "zone" must be talen as
"region" and not "Time Zone" to be accurate.

OP : see in/via <URL:http://www.merlyn.demo n.co.uk/js-dates.htmand a
Date Object Methods reference as there cited.

--
(c) John Stockton, near London, UK. Posting with Google.
Mail: J.R.""""""""@ph ysics.org or (better) via Home Page at
Web: <URL:http://www.merlyn.demo n.co.uk/>
FAQish topics, acronyms, links, etc.; Date, Delphi, JavaScript, ...

[Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn]

Re: Date and Time

Dr J R Stockton wrote:

Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:

>shapper wrote:

>>Is there any function to convert a Date/Time from UTC to the user
>>client zone and back from user client zone to UTC?

>Probably yes. Please define "UTC" and "user client zone".

>
Is that ignorance or merely perversity?

It is a request.

UTC is a standard term, and can be found in ISO/IEC 16262 with which you
should be familiar [...]

It matters which UTC and "user client zone" format is used here.


PointedEars
--
Use any version of Microsoft Frontpage to create your site.
(This won't prevent people from viewing your source, but no one
will want to steal it.)
-- from <http://www.vortex-webdesign.com/help/hidesource.htm>

[Steve]

Re: Date and Time

On Sep 5, 11:57 am, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedE...@we b.de>
wrote:

Dr J R Stockton wrote:

Is that ignorance or merely perversity?

>
It is a request.
>

I don't think you two realize how embarrassing your little tiff is to
the rest of us. Please grow up, both of you.

Steve.

[Evertjan.]

Re: Date and Time

Steve wrote on 05 sep 2008 in comp.lang.javas cript:

On Sep 5, 11:57 am, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedE...@we b.de>
wrote:

>Dr J R Stockton wrote:

>

Is that ignorance or merely perversity?

>>
>It is a request.
>>

>
I don't think you two realize how embarrassing your little tiff is to
the rest of us. Please grow up, both of you.

Nonsense, only your own actions can be embarrasing on Usenet.


--
Evertjan.
The Netherlands.
(Please change the x'es to dots in my emailaddress)

[Steve]

Re: Date and Time

On Sep 5, 10:46 pm, "Evertjan." <exjxw.hannivo. ..@interxnl.net wrote:

Steve wrote on 05 sep 2008 in comp.lang.javas cript:
>

On Sep 5, 11:57 am, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedE...@we b.de>
wrote:

Dr J R Stockton wrote:

>

Is that ignorance or merely perversity?

>

It is a request.

>

I don't think you two realize how embarrassing your little tiff is to
the rest of us. Please grow up, both of you.

>
Nonsense, only your own actions can be embarrasing on Usenet.
>

Hmmmm? OK, if you say so :-)

[Dr J R Stockton]

Re: Date and Time

In comp.lang.javas cript message <48C1028D.50704 02@PointedEars. de>, Fri,
5 Sep 2008 11:57:33, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@we b.de>
posted:

>Dr J R Stockton wrote:

>Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:

>>shapper wrote:
>>>Is there any function to convert a Date/Time from UTC to the user
>>>client zone and back from user client zone to UTC?
>>Probably yes. Please define "UTC" and "user client zone".

>>
>Is that ignorance or merely perversity?

>
>It is a request.
>

>UTC is a standard term, and can be found in ISO/IEC 16262 with which you
>should be familiar [...]

>
>It matters which UTC and "user client zone" format is used here.

You wrote nothing about "format". You should answer more slowly,
allowing yourself time to think more about the question and your
possible answers.

The OP may, but does not necessarily, want to convert between strings;
my first thought was of converting, for example, the result of
new Date(Y_UTC, ... , s_UTC)
to what would have been given by
new Date(Date.UTC(Y _UTC, ... , s_UTC))
and/or /vice versa/.

--
(c) John Stockton, nr London UK. ?@merlyn.demon. co.uk BP7, Delphi 3 & 2006.
<URL:http://www.merlyn.demo n.co.uk/TP/BP/Delphi/&c., FAQqy topics & links;
<URL:http://www.bancoems.co m/CompLangPascalD elphiMisc-MiniFAQ.htmclpd mFAQ;
NOT <URL:http://support.codegea r.com/newsgroups/>: news:borland.* Guidelines

[Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn]

Re: Date and Time

Dr J R Stockton wrote:

Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn posted:

>Dr J R Stockton wrote:

>>Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
>>>shapper wrote:
>>>>Is there any function to convert a Date/Time from UTC to the user
>>>>client zone and back from user client zone to UTC?
>>>Probably yes. Please define "UTC" and "user client zone".
>>Is that ignorance or merely perversity?

>It is a request.
>>

>>UTC is a standard term, and can be found in ISO/IEC 16262 with which you
>>should be familiar [...]

>It matters which UTC and "user client zone" format is used here.

>
[...]
The OP may, but does not necessarily, want to convert between strings;
[...]

Therefore I asked.


PointedEars
--
Prototype.js was written by people who don't know javascript for people
who don't know javascript. People who don't know javascript are not
the best source of advice on designing systems that use javascript.
-- Richard Cornford, cljs, <f806at$ail$1$8 300dec7@news.de mon.co.uk>

[shapper]

Re: Date and Time

On Sep 6, 5:54 pm, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedE...@we b.de>
wrote:

Dr J R Stockton wrote:
>
>
>

Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn posted:

Dr J R Stockton wrote:
>Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
>>shapper wrote:
>>>Is there any function to convert a Date/Time from UTC to the user
>>>client zone and back from user client zone to UTC?
>>Probably yes.  Please define "UTC" and "user client zone".
>Is that ignorance or merely perversity?
It is a request.

>

>UTC is a standard term, and can be found in ISO/IEC 16262 with which you
>should be familiar [...]
It matters which UTC and "user client zone" format is used here.

>

[...]
The OP may, but does not necessarily, want to convert between strings;
[...]

>
Therefore I asked.
>
PointedEars
--
Prototype.js was written by people who don't know javascript for people
who don't know javascript. People who don't know javascript are not
the best source of advice on designing systems that use javascript.
  -- Richard Cornford, cljs, <f806at$ail$1$8 300d...@news.de mon.co.uk>

Hello,

I have seen this happening, a few times with me, both in CSS and
Javascript groups.

A discussion starts for nothing ... I will say what I usually say. Go
to the beach and relax ... :-)

Anyway, back to what is important. First of all let me say that I am
not Javascript expert. My problem is:

On my MVC application I have a few web pages with forms which has
inputs for date and time on the following format:

"2008-09-14 23:05:37"

On my database I save all dates and times in UTC (http://www.iso.org/
iso/date_and_time_f ormat) format.

However I need to:

1. Convert the UTC Date/Time in a form input to the Time Zone of the
user.
This should be done after the form is loaded so the value is there.

2. Convert the Date/Time string inserted by the user from its TimeZone
to UTC and replace it in the input when the form is submitted.
This way on my server side code I will get the correct Date/Time to
insert in the database.

I know this can't be done on the server side. On the server side I am
not able to get the Local Time Zone. Only UTC.

Note: When I say conversion I mean that in UTC 2008-09-13 23:10:40
might be 2008-09-14 02:10:40 ...

Thanks,
Miguel

[Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn]

Re: Date and Time

shapper wrote:

On my MVC application I have a few web pages with forms which has
inputs for date and time on the following format:
>
"2008-09-14 23:05:37"

Which is the "user client zone" value, I presume? OK.

On my database I save all dates and times in UTC (http://www.iso.org/
iso/date_and_time_f ormat) format.

And I asked you to define that. In particular, how do you store UTC in your
database? There are a number of ways, including the number of milliseconds
since epoch, several time formats, and one of the standard UTC formats.

The time format you are using determines what would be the best approach to
convert from and to it.

However I need to:
>
1. Convert the UTC Date/Time in a form input to the Time Zone of the
user. This should be done after the form is loaded so the value
is there.
>
2. Convert the Date/Time string inserted by the user from its TimeZone
to UTC and replace it in the input when the form is submitted.
This way on my server side code I will get the correct Date/Time to
insert in the database.
>
I know this can't be done on the server side. On the server side I am
not able to get the Local Time Zone. Only UTC.

So, what have you tried already?

Note: When I say conversion I mean that in UTC 2008-09-13 23:10:40
might be 2008-09-14 02:10:40 ...

It is not helpful, though.


PointedEars
--
Anyone who slaps a 'this page is best viewed with Browser X' label on
a Web page appears to be yearning for the bad old days, before the Web,
when you had very little chance of reading a document written on another
computer, another word processor, or another network. -- Tim Berners-Lee

[Dr J R Stockton]

Re: Date and Time

In comp.lang.javas cript message <fbfd9f68-c963-48df-9bb0-4a07a4bc19ab@y3
8g2000hsy.googl egroups.com>, Sat, 6 Sep 2008 16:16:21, shapper
<mdmoura@gmail. composted:

>Therefore I asked.
>>
>PointedEars

Not comprehensibly, though; so it does not count.

>I have seen this happening, a few times with me, both in CSS and
>Javascript groups.

Then you should have learned by now to trim quotes, especially sigs.

>On my MVC application I have a few web pages with forms which has
>inputs for date and time on the following format:
>
>"2008-09-14 23:05:37"

Unspecified time zone; inadequate data. Assumed local.

>1. Convert the UTC Date/Time in a form input to the Time Zone of the
>user.
This should be done after the form is loaded so the value is there.

RegExp substitute - to /, append " UTC", read with new date(String).
You can show it with the non-UTC methods, and you can generate a numeric
offset indication from getTimezoneOffs et. Offset abbreviations cannot
be generated, and cannot (apart from GMT & UTC) be read cross-browser.

>2. Convert the Date/Time string inserted by the user from its TimeZone
>to UTC and replace it in the input when the form is submitted.

Read it with new Date and no offset indication; use the UTC methods to
generate the reply string, followed by " UTC" or "Z" or numeric form for
clarity.

This way on my server side code I will get the correct Date/Time to
>insert in the database.
>
>I know this can't be done on the server side. On the server side I am
>not able to get the Local Time Zone. Only UTC.
>
>Note: When I say conversion I mean that in UTC 2008-09-13 23:10:40
>might be 2008-09-14 02:10:40 ...

Which parts of that are not demonstrated in <URL:http://www.merlyn.demon
..co.uk/js-dates.htmff.?

Note that it will be more efficient, user-side, to transmit/receive
date/times as milliseconds from UTC 1970.0 - and if server-side can
handle that, it will be efficient there too.


Which gives me an opportunity to ask how this might put in valid PHP?
PSEUDOCODE :
var Now = new Date( <?php echo +new Date() ?) // possibly


It's a good idea to read the newsgroup c.l.j and its FAQ. See below.

--
(c) John Stockton, nr London UK. ?@merlyn.demon. co.uk IE7 FF2 Op9 Sf3
news:comp.lang. javascript FAQ <URL:http://www.jibbering.c om/faq/index.html>.
<URL:http://www.merlyn.demo n.co.uk/js-index.htmjscr maths, dates, sources.
<URL:http://www.merlyn.demo n.co.uk/TP/BP/Delphi/jscr/&c, FAQ items, links.

[Bart Van der Donck]

Re: Date and Time

shapper wrote:

On my MVC application I have a few web pages with forms which has
inputs for date and time on the following format:
>
"2008-09-14 23:05:37"
>
On my database I save all dates and times in UTC (http://www.iso.org/
iso/date_and_time_f ormat) format.
>
However I need to:
>
1. Convert the UTC Date/Time in a form input to the Time Zone of the
user.
   This should be done after the form is loaded so the value is there..
>
2. Convert the Date/Time string inserted by the user from its TimeZone
to UTC and replace it in the input when the form is submitted.
   This way on my server side code I will get the correct Date/Time to
insert in the database.

Local date to UTC:

var L = '2008-11-30 00:48:07';
alert((new Date(L.replace(/-/g,'/'))).toUTCStrin g());

UTC to local date:

var U = '2008-06-21 22:18:36';
alert((new Date((U+' UTC').replace(/-/g,'/'))).toLocaleSt ring());

Note that there might be different daylight saving times.
'toUTCString()' or 'toGMTString()' is probably a matter of preference.
For the conversion of date strings back into 'YYYY-MM-DD HH:MM:SS',
please see:

http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.javascript/browse_frm/thread/c7277c9f91b3fb0/

Hope this helps,

--
Bart

[Bart Van der Donck]

Re: Date and Time

Bart Van der Donck wrote:

'toUTCString()' or 'toGMTString()' is probably a matter of preference.

It appears that 'toUTCString' is better.

http://developer.mozilla.org/En/Core_JavaScript_1.5_Reference/Global_Objects/Date/ToGMTString

http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/a34ehb82(VS.85).aspx

--
Bart

[Dr J R Stockton]

Re: Date and Time

In comp.lang.javas cript message <fd03bf9e-0f47-4cff-990d-afc13269ef1c@2g
2000hsn.googleg roups.com>, Tue, 9 Sep 2008 10:26:01, Bart Van der Donck
<bart@nijlen.co mposted:

>Bart Van der Donck wrote:
>

>'toUTCString() ' or 'toGMTString()' is probably a matter of preference.

>
>It appears that 'toUTCString' is better.
>
>http://developer.mozilla.org/En/Core...ence/Global_Ob
>jects/Date/ToGMTString
>http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/libr...82(VS.85).aspx

ISO/IEC 16262 is more authoritative. It says that (initially) both
names refer to the same routine, but prefers the UTC name. However,
since UTC has Leap Seconds while GMT and JavaScript do not, toGMTString
is etymologically the better name, at least for Firefox.

The second quoted link has information which in my IE7 is false, though
it is true in FF2.0.0.16. In both browsers, the "two methods" do appear
to be one method with two names. However, the IE7 method clearly
differs from the FF2 method.

A coder should, if reading the results of such a method, allow for the
possibility of getting either GMT or UTC.

The OP should be aware that the standard requires the current-day Summer
Time rules to be applied, so a US date of 31 March should be deemed to
be in Winter Time, even if in 2006 ... or in BC 123456,

--
(c) John Stockton, nr London, UK. ?@merlyn.demon. co.uk Turnpike v6.05.
Web <URL:http://www.merlyn.demo n.co.uk/- w. FAQish topics, links, acronyms
PAS EXE etc : <URL:http://www.merlyn.demo n.co.uk/programs/- see 00index.htm
Dates - miscdate.htm moredate.htm js-dates.htm pas-time.htm critdate.htm etc.