Fullscreen

[Goldie]

Hi,
I am pretty poor at JavaScript so if this is a stupid question I apologise
in advance.

I am wanting to make the index.html page of a site open the browser up in
Full screen mode.

I understand I can do this when the viewer clicks a link to the page but I
want it to happen when the viewer comes to the site by either typing the
address in or a link from another source.

Is it possible?

All I want the browser to do is open up full screen like when the F11 button
is pressed in IE so if they wish to reduce the screen they still can get to
the top bar.

I am aware the behaviour of Netscape and other browsers could be different.
But I am tailoring this site to IE.

Any help is greatly appreciated.

TIA

Goldie

[David Dorward]

Re: Fullscreen

Goldie wrote:
[color=blue]
> I am wanting to make the index.html page of a site open the browser up in
> Full screen mode.[/color]

Why?! WHY?! Argh!

http://www.stud.tu-ilmenau.de/~thla-in/scripts/fullscreen.jpg

[color=blue]
> I understand I can do this when the viewer clicks a link to the page but I
> want it to happen when the viewer comes to the site by either typing the
> address in or a link from another source.
>
> Is it possible?[/color]

No
[color=blue]
> All I want the browser to do is open up full screen like when the F11
> button is pressed in IE so if they wish to reduce the screen they still
> can get to the top bar.[/color]

If the user wants that, then the user can press F11.
[color=blue]
> I am aware the behaviour of Netscape and other browsers could be
> different. But I am tailoring this site to IE.[/color]

How shortsighted.

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David Dorward <http://dorward.me.uk/>

[Goldie]

Re: Fullscreen

So basically what your saying in as few words as a caveman knows is I am not
allowed to have any rules?


Goldie


"David Dorward" <dorward@yahoo. com> wrote in message
news:bupn0r$b2r $3$8302bc10@new s.demon.co.uk.. .[color=blue]
> Goldie wrote:
>[color=green]
> > I am wanting to make the index.html page of a site open the browser up[/color][/color]
in[color=blue][color=green]
> > Full screen mode.[/color]
>
> Why?! WHY?! Argh!
>
> http://www.stud.tu-ilmenau.de/~thla-...fullscreen.jpg
>[color=green]
> > I understand I can do this when the viewer clicks a link to the page but[/color][/color]
I[color=blue][color=green]
> > want it to happen when the viewer comes to the site by either typing the
> > address in or a link from another source.
> >
> > Is it possible?[/color]
>
> No
>[color=green]
> > All I want the browser to do is open up full screen like when the F11
> > button is pressed in IE so if they wish to reduce the screen they still
> > can get to the top bar.[/color]
>
> If the user wants that, then the user can press F11.
>[color=green]
> > I am aware the behaviour of Netscape and other browsers could be
> > different. But I am tailoring this site to IE.[/color]
>
> How shortsighted.
>
> --
> David Dorward <http://dorward.me.uk/>[/color]

[Randy Webb]

Re: Fullscreen

Goldie wrote:
[color=blue]
> So basically what your saying in as few words as a caveman knows is I am not
> allowed to have any rules?[/color]

http://webtips.dan.info/force.html

And you should read the group FAQ, with regards to posting, quoting, and
snipping.




--
Randy
Chance Favors The Prepared Mind

[David Dorward]

Re: Fullscreen

Goldie wrote:

I suggest you learn how to use Usenet:

http://www.allmyfaqs.com/faq.pl?How_to_post

[color=blue]
> So basically what your saying in as few words as a caveman knows is I am
> not allowed to have any rules?[/color]

Rules? Do you consider: "Nobody is allowed to look at website unless their
window covers their entire desktop, no matter what their preferences are,
no matter how stupid it looks, no matter how hard it makes the site to
actually use!" the sort of 'rule' that makes any sense whatsoever?

--
David Dorward <http://dorward.me.uk/>

[kaeli]

Re: Fullscreen

In article <CTZPb.393$9v4. 159@news-binary.blueyond er.co.uk>, "Goldie"
<andrew.goldste in(SPAM)@virgin .net> enlightened us with...[color=blue]
> So basically what your saying in as few words as a caveman knows is I am not
> allowed to have any rules?
>[/color]

Sure. But they would be best if they followed convention.
And that convention is generally "don't piss off your users". heh

Fullscreen is one of the few things people do that make me either turn
off script or never visit the site again.
Then again, I now use NN/Mozilla and have my settings set so that you
simply can't do that to me. Nor can you open popups I didn't ask for or
change my status bar. :)

And requiring IE means your user also has to have Windows. F*** the Unix
and Mac people, eh?
Thanks a lot.

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~kaeli~
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[Goldie]

Re: Fullscreen

But some people are uneducated and think that browsing using a 17" screen
and actually using 10" of it is the way that the browsing experience is
supposed to be.
Why buy a big monitor and not use the screen?
Do you Kaeli have 14" portable TV in your front room or a bigger screen?

Not a great deal of new users may know the fullscreen mode and if it is
given to them then perhaps they will use it in future?

I mean come on what are you expecting the toolbars to do? change?
They just sit there doing nothing until you need them.

If I can get back to the first point I made.
I am wanting to do this to a website. I have not said that I will be
publishing this site on the net.
I may very well be using it as an example for other new users.

I am also aware of the Usenet
So the smartass's who think sitting behind a clever comment is big are
shallower than their mates give them abuse for being.

Goldie

[Brian Genisio]

Re: Fullscreen

Goldie wrote:
[color=blue]
> But some people are uneducated and think that browsing using a 17" screen
> and actually using 10" of it is the way that the browsing experience is
> supposed to be.
> Why buy a big monitor and not use the screen?
> Do you Kaeli have 14" portable TV in your front room or a bigger screen?
>[/color]

I don't even have a TV in my front room, and the only TV I do have is
17". Not a very good point.
[color=blue]
> Not a great deal of new users may know the fullscreen mode and if it is
> given to them then perhaps they will use it in future?
>
> I mean come on what are you expecting the toolbars to do? change?
> They just sit there doing nothing until you need them.
>
> If I can get back to the first point I made.
> I am wanting to do this to a website. I have not said that I will be
> publishing this site on the net.
> I may very well be using it as an example for other new users.
>
> I am also aware of the Usenet
> So the smartass's who think sitting behind a clever comment is big are
> shallower than their mates give them abuse for being.
>
> Goldie[/color]

Eeek... I am shocked at what I am hearing. I use a 21 inch monitor,
running at 1600x1200. Do you have any clue what fullscreen mode looks
like on a screen that big? It looks terrible. No one designs to that
standard, because most people don't use it.

Instead, my browser window is only ever about half of my screen in both
directions, utilizing 1/4 of my actual screen. I can use the internet,
write code, debug my application, and check my mail... all with
visibility to all windows.

If my windows are covered, I consider it a problem.

I understand, that sometimes a program requirement makes it so you have
to do something like this... and in that case, you do what you are being
paid to do... but if you ask a question about it on a newsgroup, you
_will_ get opinions that you might not like, because doing something
like this is not of convention.

Crazy talk...

Brian

[Michael Winter]

Re: Fullscreen

On Fri, 23 Jan 2004 16:30:34 -0000, Goldie
<andrew.goldste in(SPAM)@virgin .net> wrote:
[color=blue]
> But some people are uneducated and think that browsing using a 17" screen
> and actually using 10" of it is the way that the browsing experience is
> supposed to be.
> Why buy a big monitor and not use the screen?
> Do you Kaeli have 14" portable TV in your front room or a bigger screen?
>
> Not a great deal of new users may know the fullscreen mode and if it is
> given to them then perhaps they will use it in future?[/color]

Then educate your users, but never force something upon them.

If you think your page must be viewed fullscreen, then mention it
somewhere, discreetly, and describe on a separate page how it might be
done in wide variety of browsers. You should also explain the need to do
it; "Because it looks better" is not good enough. Without a good reason, a
website should look acceptable at any reasonable resolution.

Mike

--
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M.Winter@blueyo nder.co.invalid (replace ".invalid" with ".uk" to reply)

[Ivan Marsh]

Re: Fullscreen

On Fri, 23 Jan 2004 16:30:34 +0000, Goldie wrote:
[color=blue]
> But some people are uneducated and think that browsing using a 17" screen
> and actually using 10" of it is the way that the browsing experience is
> supposed to be.[/color]

That's an amazingly stupid assumption.

#1 on the don't screw with my browser bill of rights:

DO NOT RESIZE MY BROWSER.

Please put the URL of all the websites you work on so I can block them
with my firewall.


--
i.m.
The USA Patriot Act is the most unpatriotic act in American history.

[Randy Webb]

Re: Fullscreen

Goldie wrote:[color=blue]
> But some people are uneducated and think that browsing using a 17" screen
> and actually using 10" of it is the way that the browsing experience is
> supposed to be.
> Why buy a big monitor and not use the screen?
> Do you Kaeli have 14" portable TV in your front room or a bigger screen?[/color]

I can not speak for everyone, nor will I try. As for me personally, I
have dual monitors, one is a 17" the other is a 19". One is set to
1240x768, the other is set at 800x600 resolution. I did not spend the
money to get my system set up that way to have a webdesigner come along
and decide that all that space was just for them. As a result of that,
you can *not* resize the size of my browsers. Any of them.

Can you please explain how you multi-task when some obnoxious
webdesigner blows it into fullscreen mode? And yes, I know how to do it
but I shouldn't be forced to change in order for your website to work
the way you want it, quite the contrary.
[color=blue]
> Not a great deal of new users may know the fullscreen mode and if it is
> given to them then perhaps they will use it in future?[/color]

Put a note on your page "To see this page fullscreen, make it full
screen". You are underestimating the intelligence of your users to do
otherwise.
[color=blue]
> I mean come on what are you expecting the toolbars to do? change?
> They just sit there doing nothing until you need them.[/color]

Obviously, you are unaware that fullscreen does more than remove the
toolbars. Now, you have taken a "new user" and removed (in Windows), the
Start Menu/taskbar and you have totally confused the very people you are
attempting to cater to.
[color=blue]
> If I can get back to the first point I made.
> I am wanting to do this to a website. I have not said that I will be
> publishing this site on the net.
> I may very well be using it as an example for other new users.[/color]

Then you will ultimately fail.
[color=blue]
> I am also aware of the Usenet
> So the smartass's who think sitting behind a clever comment is big are
> shallower than their mates give them abuse for being.[/color]

And the top of the day to you too.

--
Randy
Chance Favors The Prepared Mind

[Lee]

Re: Fullscreen

SPAM said:[color=blue]
>
>But some people are uneducated and think that browsing using a 17" screen
>and actually using 10" of it is the way that the browsing experience is
>supposed to be.
>Why buy a big monitor and not use the screen?[/color]

So I can use my screen for more than one thing at a time.
[color=blue]
>Not a great deal of new users may know the fullscreen mode and if it is
>given to them then perhaps they will use it in future?[/color]

Why not also turn their speakers up full blast? Maybe there
are some new users who don't know how loud they will go.
[color=blue]
>If I can get back to the first point I made.
>I am wanting to do this to a website. I have not said that I will be
>publishing this site on the net.
>I may very well be using it as an example for other new users.[/color]

That's probably the worst reason you could suggest:

"I'm not going to do something stupid myself, I just want
to show people who don't know any better how to do it."
[color=blue]
>I am also aware of the Usenet
>So the smartass's who think sitting behind a clever comment is big are
>shallower than their mates give them abuse for being.[/color]

The fact that at least half a dozen people have told you that you're
wrong, and nobody has come to your defense, should provide a clue.

[kaeli]

Re: Fullscreen

In article <K_bQb.4647$9v4 .2096@news-binary.blueyond er.co.uk>, "Goldie"
<andrew.goldste in(SPAM)@virgin .net> enlightened us with...[color=blue]
> But some people are uneducated and think that browsing using a 17" screen
> and actually using 10" of it is the way that the browsing experience is
> supposed to be.[/color]

Who the hell do you think you are telling me how MY browsing experience
should be?

Some of us actually know how to multitask and have large screens so we
can see several things going on at once. In fact, some people have two
screens, though I'm not one of them.
[color=blue]
> Why buy a big monitor and not use the screen?[/color]

Why do you assume the only thing I use it for is to have a web browser
open? In fact, why do you even assume I'm at home and it's my monitor,
neither of which are the case?
[color=blue]
> Do you Kaeli have 14" portable TV in your front room or a bigger screen?
>[/color]

Actually, no. What business is it of yours? Would you like to take that
up with fullscreen, too?
[color=blue]
> Not a great deal of new users may know the fullscreen mode and if it is
> given to them then perhaps they will use it in future?
>[/color]

The people who don't know about it won't know how to get out of it. I
can tell you for a fact that my Mother (bless her un-computer-savvy
soul) would have no clue how to do a thing once in fullscreen, then
she'd be calling me asking what she did wrong. She did the last time
some moron did that to her browser.
[color=blue]
> I mean come on what are you expecting the toolbars to do? change?[/color]

You expect that taking over my entire window will please me? If I wanted
that, I'd ask for it.
[color=blue]
> I am also aware of the Usenet
> So the smartass's who think sitting behind a clever comment is big are
> shallower than their mates give them abuse for being.
>[/color]

That made a lot of sense.
So, you have no decent argument and decide to fall back on name calling.
How mature.
And the plural of smartass is smartasses.

Good day.

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~kaeli~
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[Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn]

Re: Fullscreen

David Dorward wrote:
[color=blue]
> Goldie wrote:[color=green]
>> I am wanting to make the index.html page of a site open the browser up in
>> Full screen mode.[/color]
>
> Why?! WHY?! Argh!
>
> http://www.stud.tu-ilmenau.de/~thla-...fullscreen.jpg[/color]

Full ACK :)

Please use <http://pointedears.de. vu/scripts/fullscreen.jpg> instead,
for the university account is volatile. Note: The original is linked in
dcljs-FFQ <http://praast.de/ffq/abfrage/#monitor> (see "Fullscreen über
2 Monitore") and the image's author allowed to copy it.


PointedEars

[twe3lve]

Re: Fullscreen

David Dorward wrote:[color=blue]
> [B]Goldie wrote:
>
>
> Why?! WHY?! Argh!
>
> I need to open a full screen window because I'm building a touc
> screen application. There's no keyboard. There's no mouse. It'
> amazingly hard to hit the tiny little buttons that you need to hit i
> order to do anything on a browser. This application has to be designe
> for absolute idiots, people who will mess up the whole computer if yo
> give them half a chance. These are people who don't know what
> browser is. They don't know what the Internet is. And they don'
> care. I need to open a full screen window because the bloody desig
> of the entire system requires it. That's why[/color]
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twe3lv