Window (toolbar) control help needed.

[Chris]

Hi

I have designed my website to fit my standard windows.

I use a javascript scroller that nescitates the removal of the browser
scroll bars. However if a user has an extra toolbar open in his browser
like a google or yahoo toolbar or a links toolbar it pushes the content down
and slightly out of view. I don't want to use a pop up window with
toolbars=0 as this is often blocked by software. What I would like is to
open the frameset page I am using in the same window as my start page. but
to somehow hide all toobars etc Standard Buttons, and Address bar, and
include the status bar.

Is there a way to do this?

My page is www.stonesurrounds.com

The problem area is apparent in our fire surround gallery link using an 800
x 600 resolution with all toolbars.

Please take a look. Any help would be much appreciated.

Chris

[Grant Wagner]

Re: Window (toolbar) control help needed.

Chris wrote:
[color=blue]
> Hi
>
> I have designed my website to fit my standard windows.[/color]

That's your first mistake. Your standard windows are not necessarily my choice
for the proper size, shape or chrome for a browser window. I configure my
browser the way I like, please do not attempt to change it.
[color=blue]
> I use a javascript scroller that nescitates the removal of the browser
> scroll bars.[/color]

There are many browsers where your code does not do what you expect, there are
browsers where your code does not run, and there are browsers where your code
does nothing.
[color=blue]
> However if a user has an extra toolbar open in his browser
> like a google or yahoo toolbar or a links toolbar it pushes the content down
> and slightly out of view.[/color]

I can also rearrange my toolbars in any number of ways, and use small or large
icons, and text labels or no text labels. It's my browser, I'll configure it the
way I want.

Of course Mozilla Firebird doesn't have anything like what you're you're talking
about.
[color=blue]
> I don't want to use a pop up window with
> toolbars=0 as this is often blocked by software. What I would like is to
> open the frameset page I am using in the same window as my start page. but
> to somehow hide all toobars etc Standard Buttons, and Address bar, and
> include the status bar.[/color]

Can not be done.
[color=blue]
> Is there a way to do this?[/color]

No.
[color=blue]
> My page is www.stonesurrounds.com[/color]

I visited it with Netscape 4.78, clicked Fire Surround Gallery, got:

Bad Request

Your browser sent a request that this server could not understand.

The request line contained invalid characters following the protocol string.


Apache/1.3.29 Server at cheshirestone.d svr.co.uk Port 80

I guess you don't want me as a customer, I'll shop elsewhere, thanks.
[color=blue]
> The problem area is apparent in our fire surround gallery link using an 800
> x 600 resolution with all toolbars.[/color]

I visited your site with Mozilla Firebird and clicked Fire Surround Gallery. I
got a horizontal scrolling thing I couldn't control to speed up, slow down, or
quickly get to what I wanted.

I guess you don't want me as a customer, I'll shop elsewhere, thanks.
[color=blue]
> Please take a look. Any help would be much appreciated.[/color]

You're a business, have you never heard the phrase "the customer is always
right"? On the Web, the page viewer is always right. If I want to view your site
using lynx (a text-only, command line browser) I should be able to, and obtain
enough information to make a purchase.

If I decide to visit your site with Mozilla Firebird, I should be able to
navigate your site and obtain enough information to make a purchase.

Stop assuming everyone visiting your site is using Internet Explorer, and stop
trying to control your audience's viewing habits. If you ran TV ads, would you
want them to be able to adjust the volume, contrast and tint on my TV too?

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*

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* Internet Explorer DOM Reference available at:
*
http://msdn.microsoft.com/workshop/a...ence_entry.asp

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* http://www.mozilla.org/docs/dom/domref/
* Tips for upgrading JavaScript for Netscape 7 / Mozilla
* http://www.mozilla.org/docs/web-deve...upgrade_2.html

[DU]

Re: Window (toolbar) control help needed.

Chris wrote:[color=blue]
> Hi
>
> I have designed my website to fit my standard windows.
>[/color]

Let me guess. You're using a Nokia 6600 or other mobile device
implementing a "Small Screen Rendering" reformat of webpages? You're
using MSN-TV which imposes a 544px horizontal limitation of the screen?

http://developer.msntv.com/Develop/HTML.asp

You have a 23 inch monitor screen? You have dual monitor screen?
[color=blue]
> I use a javascript scroller that nescitates the removal of the browser
> scroll bars.[/color]

Great! So if the user has javascript support disabled, he won't be able
to scroll at all to reach clipped content.

However if a user has an extra toolbar open in his browser[color=blue]
> like a google or yahoo toolbar or a links toolbar it pushes the content down
> and slightly out of view.[/color]

So according to you, the problem is the user having extra browser
toolbar(s) like a Site Navigation bar or a prefs bar, right?

I don't want to use a pop up window with[color=blue]
> toolbars=0 as this is often blocked by software.[/color]

Yep! Mozilla users can edit an user.js file which will sterilize for
good script attempts via window.open() calls with:

user_pref("dom. disable_window_ open_feature.to olbar", true);
user_pref("dom. disable_window_ open_feature.lo cation", true);
user_pref("dom. disable_window_ open_feature.di rectories", true);
user_pref("dom. disable_window_ open_feature.pe rsonalbar", true);
user_pref("dom. disable_window_ open_feature.me nubar", true);
user_pref("dom. disable_window_ open_feature.sc rollbars", true);
user_pref("dom. disable_window_ open_feature.re sizable", true);
user_pref("dom. disable_window_ open_feature.st atus", true);
user_pref("layo ut.frames.force _resizability", true);

.... while MSIE users can rely on proxomitron to neutralize such script
attempts.


What I would like is to[color=blue]
> open the frameset page I am using in the same window as my start page. but
> to somehow hide all toobars etc Standard Buttons, and Address bar, and
> include the status bar.
>
> Is there a way to do this?
>
> My page is www.stonesurrounds.com
>[/color]

Yes. Create a new browser. Because all other browser manufacturers
converge (or already agree) on assuring that the users should have the
ultimate power and absolute veto power over presence of chrome toolbars.
Already NS 7.x, Opera 7.x, Mozilla-based browsers (and 15 other
derivatives) all give the users absolute power over presence of such
chrome toolbars (via user.js file), not to scripts.
[color=blue]
> The problem area is apparent in our fire surround gallery link using an 800
> x 600 resolution with all toolbars.
>[/color]

Or you could design your webpage in a manner where screen size and
screen resolution will not be a factor at all; where your webpage will
be entirely scalable.

Liquid Web Design: Build it right and it will work no matter what the
container.

http://www.digital-web.com/tutorials/tutorial_1999-10.shtml

Dynamic vs. Fixed: A Proposal for Peace at the Table

http://www.webtechniques.com/archives/1999/10/desi/

[color=blue]
> Please take a look. Any help would be much appreciated.
>
> Chris
>
>[/color]

Glad I could help. :)

DU

[Fabian]

Re: Window (toolbar) control help needed.

Chris hu kiteb:
[color=blue]
> Hi
>
> I have designed my website to fit my standard windows.[/color]
....[color=blue]
> My page is www.stonesurrounds.com[/color]

I had a look using *my* standard windows, and half of your web site fell
off the right edge of the screen, with no way to scroll across to see
it. Thi is using IE6.

Hint: manipulating the gui (as opposed to the web page content) is
ALWAYS a bad idea.
[color=blue]
> The problem area is apparent in our fire surround gallery link using
> an 800 x 600 resolution with all toolbars.[/color]

It is apparent on your front page too.


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