Hasn't some genius developed something that can spit out usefull information given...

**George Hester** · Jul 20 '05, 09:35 AM

Re: Hasn't some genius developed something that can spit out usefull information given...

A genius I ain't. Tried the textarea suggestion. This resulted in goop in
a textarea. The rest since there was no example I'm still lost. Thanks
though.

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**George Hester** · Jul 20 '05, 09:35 AM

Re: Hasn't some genius developed something that can spit out usefull information given...

A genius I ain't. Tried the textarea suggestion. This resulted in goop in
a textarea. The rest since there was no example I'm still lost. Thanks
though.

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**David Dorward** · Jul 20 '05, 09:35 AM

Re: Hasn't some genius developed something that can spit out usefull information given...

George Hester wrote:

Please direct your attention towards:
http://www.allmyfaqs.com/faq.pl?How_to_post (and you can add 'can cause sig
trimmers to trim quoted material becuase it is under the sig indicator')
[color=blue]
> A genius I ain't. Tried the textarea suggestion. This resulted in goop
> in
> a textarea. The rest since there was no example I'm still lost. Thanks
> though.[/color]

The rest, presumably, being "Use the Mozilla DOM Inspector, right click on
the tree, then pick the obvious menu item"?

Its a bit difficult to give an example of that... at least short of having
screen shots with big arrows drawn over them.

This should help though:

mozilla dom inspector - Google Suche

http://www.google.com/search?q=mozilla+dom+inspector

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**David Dorward** · Jul 20 '05, 09:35 AM

Re: Hasn't some genius developed something that can spit out usefull information given...

George Hester wrote:

Please direct your attention towards:
http://www.allmyfaqs.com/faq.pl?How_to_post (and you can add 'can cause sig
trimmers to trim quoted material becuase it is under the sig indicator')
[color=blue]
> A genius I ain't. Tried the textarea suggestion. This resulted in goop
> in
> a textarea. The rest since there was no example I'm still lost. Thanks
> though.[/color]

The rest, presumably, being "Use the Mozilla DOM Inspector, right click on
the tree, then pick the obvious menu item"?

Its a bit difficult to give an example of that... at least short of having
screen shots with big arrows drawn over them.

This should help though:

mozilla dom inspector - Google Suche

http://www.google.com/search?q=mozilla+dom+inspector

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David Dorward http://dorward.me.uk/

**George Hester** · Jul 20 '05, 09:35 AM

Re: Hasn't some genius developed something that can spit out usefull information given...

I'll look into it. What's this about?

George Hester wrote:

Please direct your attention towards:
http://www.allmyfaqs.com/faq.pl?How_to_post (and you can add 'can cause sig
trimmers to trim quoted material becuase it is under the sig indicator')

I did not write that.

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> George Hester wrote:
>
> Please direct your attention towards:
> http://www.allmyfaqs.com/faq.pl?How_to_post (and you can add 'can cause[/color]
sig[color=blue]
> trimmers to trim quoted material becuase it is under the sig indicator')
>[color=green]
> > A genius I ain't. Tried the textarea suggestion. This resulted in goop
> > in
> > a textarea. The rest since there was no example I'm still lost. Thanks
> > though.[/color]
>
> The rest, presumably, being "Use the Mozilla DOM Inspector, right click on
> the tree, then pick the obvious menu item"?
>
> Its a bit difficult to give an example of that... at least short of having
> screen shots with big arrows drawn over them.
>
> This should help though:
> http://www.google.com/search?q=mozilla+dom+inspector
>
> --
> David Dorward http://dorward.me.uk/[/color]

**George Hester** · Jul 20 '05, 09:35 AM

Re: Hasn't some genius developed something that can spit out usefull information given...

I'll look into it. What's this about?

George Hester wrote:

Please direct your attention towards:
http://www.allmyfaqs.com/faq.pl?How_to_post (and you can add 'can cause sig
trimmers to trim quoted material becuase it is under the sig indicator')

I did not write that.

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"David Dorward" <dorward@yahoo. com> wrote in message
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> George Hester wrote:
>
> Please direct your attention towards:
> http://www.allmyfaqs.com/faq.pl?How_to_post (and you can add 'can cause[/color]
sig[color=blue]
> trimmers to trim quoted material becuase it is under the sig indicator')
>[color=green]
> > A genius I ain't. Tried the textarea suggestion. This resulted in goop
> > in
> > a textarea. The rest since there was no example I'm still lost. Thanks
> > though.[/color]
>
> The rest, presumably, being "Use the Mozilla DOM Inspector, right click on
> the tree, then pick the obvious menu item"?
>
> Its a bit difficult to give an example of that... at least short of having
> screen shots with big arrows drawn over them.
>
> This should help though:
> http://www.google.com/search?q=mozilla+dom+inspector
>
> --
> David Dorward http://dorward.me.uk/[/color]

**David Dorward** · Jul 20 '05, 09:35 AM

Re: Hasn't some genius developed something that can spit out usefull information given...

George Hester wrote:
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> George Hester wrote:
>
> Please direct your attention towards:
> http://www.allmyfaqs.com/faq.pl?How_to_post (and you can add 'can cause
> sig trimmers to trim quoted material becuase it is under the sig
> indicator')
>
> I did not write that.[/color]

No, you didn't hance the lack of "greater then" signs to indicated that it
was quoted material.

I wrote it - you should read it.

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**David Dorward** · Jul 20 '05, 09:35 AM

Re: Hasn't some genius developed something that can spit out usefull information given...

George Hester wrote:
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> George Hester wrote:
>
> Please direct your attention towards:
> http://www.allmyfaqs.com/faq.pl?How_to_post (and you can add 'can cause
> sig trimmers to trim quoted material becuase it is under the sig
> indicator')
>
> I did not write that.[/color]

No, you didn't hance the lack of "greater then" signs to indicated that it
was quoted material.

I wrote it - you should read it.

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**George Hester** · Jul 20 '05, 09:36 AM

Re: Hasn't some genius developed something that can spit out usefull information given...

fu

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**George Hester** · Jul 20 '05, 09:36 AM

Re: Hasn't some genius developed something that can spit out usefull information given...

Let me ask you something. Do you think an Internet with rules is a good
thing? Do you think there may be users of the Internet that don't know
about the rules and that do not care? One thing you might want to consider.
There is no rule maker of the Internet. There is accepted practices but
that is like ethics. It is not something you can shove down someone's
throat. Now if what I do inhibits responses to my questions then you have
achieved your ends. Namely to assert your authority over me by not
answering. To remind me of your authority does nothing. I try to make my
posts as pleasant and clear as I can. If you have a problem with that buddy
I have problems with some of the accepted practices. But I do not whine
about it. Now please instruct your children they have an obligation to you.
I do not.

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> > Please direct your attention towards:
> > http://www.allmyfaqs.com/faq.pl?How_to_post (and you can add 'can cause
> > sig trimmers to trim quoted material becuase it is under the sig
> > indicator')
> >
> > I did not write that.[/color]
>
> No, you didn't hance the lack of "greater then" signs to indicated that it
> was quoted material.
>
> I wrote it - you should read it.
>
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**George Hester** · Jul 20 '05, 09:36 AM

Re: Hasn't some genius developed something that can spit out usefull information given...

fu

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> at Sat, 9 Aug 2003 20:05:07 :-
>[color=green]
> >I'll look into it. What's this about?[/color]
>
> You were asked to look at, no doubt, in order that you would thereby
> discover what it is about.
>
> You should also look at the newsgroup FAQ; all of it, but in particular
> Section 2.3.
>
> When, or if, you conform with the proper newsgroup conventions for the
> composition of responses, you will add to the set of those prepared to
> consider technical content of your material. Those who co-operate with
> the knowledgeable will find that the knowledgeable are willing to co-
> operate with them; those who do not may end up relying on the non-
> knowledgeable.
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**George Hester** · Jul 20 '05, 09:36 AM

Re: Hasn't some genius developed something that can spit out usefull information given...

Let me ask you something. Do you think an Internet with rules is a good
thing? Do you think there may be users of the Internet that don't know
about the rules and that do not care? One thing you might want to consider.
There is no rule maker of the Internet. There is accepted practices but
that is like ethics. It is not something you can shove down someone's
throat. Now if what I do inhibits responses to my questions then you have
achieved your ends. Namely to assert your authority over me by not
answering. To remind me of your authority does nothing. I try to make my
posts as pleasant and clear as I can. If you have a problem with that buddy
I have problems with some of the accepted practices. But I do not whine
about it. Now please instruct your children they have an obligation to you.
I do not.

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> George Hester wrote:
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> > George Hester wrote:
> >
> > Please direct your attention towards:
> > http://www.allmyfaqs.com/faq.pl?How_to_post (and you can add 'can cause
> > sig trimmers to trim quoted material becuase it is under the sig
> > indicator')
> >
> > I did not write that.[/color]
>
> No, you didn't hance the lack of "greater then" signs to indicated that it
> was quoted material.
>
> I wrote it - you should read it.
>
> --
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**Lasse Reichstein Nielsen** · Jul 20 '05, 09:36 AM

Re: Hasn't some genius developed something that can spit out usefull information given...

"George Hester" <hesterloli@hot mail.com> writes:
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> Let me ask you something. Do you think an Internet with rules is a good
> thing?[/color]

Absolutely. The internet would not work without rules. Those rules are
the IP protocol family.

This is about Usenet, which is mostly running over the internet these
days (in the beginning, communication were also handled by air-mailing
8 inch tapes between continents. Usenet is older than the world wide
internet.

Here too, rules are important to make it run, and the NNTP protocol is
an example.

The rules you are referring to are probably not the technical ones,
but the social rules. It is the "best practices" for posting that hae
evolved over time, and that quite a lot of people agree are better
than the alternatives. One of these is "do not top post, and always
trim your quotes".
[color=blue]
> Do you think there may be users of the Internet that don't know
> about the rules and that do not care?[/color]

Absolutely. There are some who don't know, but do care when they are
informed. There are some that don't know, and that don't want to know.
And then there are those who knows, and who still doesn't care.

The last group is the one I personally have a problem with. They know
that many people prefer a different way of posting, but yet they post
how they want to anyway, ignoring the wishes of the intended readers.
In those cases, I have no problem treating them with the same
disregard as they treat me, and ignore their post. If I am feeling
generous, I will give them a chance and tell them that their behavior
is counterproducti ve if they want their questions answered (i.e., I
give them the benefit of the doubt and only calssify them as "don't
know", not "don't care").

I know that you know, so I must assume that you don't care. Am I
correct?
[color=blue]
> One thing you might want to consider. There is no rule maker of the
> Internet. There is accepted practices but that is like ethics. It is
> not something you can shove down someone's throat.[/color]

Orders will usually not make people change their opinion, that is
correct. The more stubborn a person is, the more entrenched they get
when their position is attacked, but almost everybody responds the
same way to some degree.
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> Now if what I do inhibits responses to my questions then you have
> achieved your ends.[/color]

If what you do has an effect, I can't see how that makes somebody else
actively achieve his ends. His ends might be achieved, but it is not
he who does it. Rather it is everybody who responds or choses not to
respond to your message, and you in particualr, who is helping
achieveing his ends.
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> Namely to assert your authority over me by not answering.[/color]

There is no authority in not answering. There is a clear message, one
that I concur with:
Write how your reader wants to read it, or risk him not to read it.
[color=blue]
> To remind me of your authority does nothing. I try to make my posts
> as pleasant and clear as I can. If you have a problem with that
> buddy I have problems with some of the accepted practices.[/color]

If you have serious problems with the accepted practices, then by all
means say so. Merely blatantly ignoring the accepted practices will
just get you blatantly ignored by those who support them, and they
are, by all counts, still the majority.

/L 'feeling generous'
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'Faith without judgement merely degrades the spirit divine.'

**David Dorward** · Jul 20 '05, 09:37 AM

Re: Hasn't some genius developed something that can spit out usefull information given...

George Hester wrote:
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> There is accepted practices[/color]

.... which you don't follow. *plonk*

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