Detecting if the client browser disabled/allows java applets ?

**Andrew Thompson** · Jul 23 '05, 03:06 PM

Re: Detecting if the client browser disabled/allows java applets ?

On Mon, 1 Nov 2004 20:30:55 +0100, Wladimir Borsov wrote:

This is not a Java question.
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> On one of my web pages[/color]

URL?
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>..there is an java applets which works fine on my computer.
> However I noticed on some other computer that the run of java applets are disabled.
> I got an error message "Classnotfo und"[/color]

There is no such thing. I will make some guesses.
These machines are..
a) Running Win
b) Using IE as a browser
c) the browsers are throwing 'ClassNotFoundE xception's
<http://www.physci.org/codes/javafaq.jsp#exa ct>
<http://www.physci.org/codes/javafaq.jsp#app letie>
d) this reports '1.1.4'
<http://www.physci.org/pc/property.jsp?pr op=java.version >
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> Is there a way to detect (with cgi resp. javascript) if java applets are allowed?[/color]

You can detect if Java is enabled using JAvascript,
but that is not the problem here.
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> I would like to show a simple picture instead of the applet pane if applets are not allowed.[/color]

Yes, to both the problem you thought you had, as well as the
problem I suspect you actually have. You need to fix both to
get the untlimate effect you want. Both can be done without
Javascript.

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**Andrew Thompson** · Jul 23 '05, 03:06 PM

Re: Detecting if the client browser disabled/allows java applets ?

On Tue, 02 Nov 2004 05:01:07 GMT, Andrew Thompson wrote:
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> This is not a Java question.[/color]

Oops! Try, "This is not a *Javascript* question".

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**Toby Inkster** · Jul 23 '05, 03:06 PM

Re: Detecting if the client browser disabled/allows java applets ?

Wladimir Borsov wrote:
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> Is there a way to detect (with cgi resp. javascript) if java applets are allowed?
> I would like to show a simple picture instead of the applet pane if applets are not allowed.[/color]

<applet ...>
<param ...>
<param ...>
<param ...>
The message here will only be shown when Java is disabled or not
supported.
</applet>

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**Andrew Thompson** · Jul 23 '05, 03:06 PM

Re: Detecting if the client browser disabled/allows java applets ?

On Tue, 02 Nov 2004 07:42:27 +0000, Toby Inkster wrote:
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> <applet ...>[/color]
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> The message here will only be shown when Java is disabled or not
> supported.
> </applet>[/color]

Wrong! The 'no applet' part of the applet element as specified
above *only* covers the situation where Java is not and never
has been installed. If Java is installed, but *disabled*, that
message will not show.

To cover that, you need to specify an 'alt' attribute, which
displays for browsers with Java installed, but disabled.

As an aside, the OP mis-diagnosed the actual problem.
The browser's concerned would not be getting any message that
included 'Classnotfound' (sic) if this was a problem with
the alt/alternate HTML parts of the applet element.
The JVM is obviously being invoked, to produce that message.

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**Harlan Messinger** · Jul 23 '05, 03:06 PM

Re: Detecting if the client browser disabled/allows java applets ?

"Wladimir Borsov" <wladimirb@gmx. net> wrote in message
news:cm62tf$a8k $04$1@news.t-online.com...[color=blue]
> On one of my web pages there is an java applets which works fine on my[/color]
computer.[color=blue]
> However I noticed on some other computer that the run of java applets are[/color]
disabled.[color=blue]
> I got an error message "Classnotfo und"
> Is there a way to detect (with cgi resp. javascript) if java applets are[/color]
allowed?[color=blue]
> I would like to show a simple picture instead of the applet pane if[/color]
applets are not allowed.

You don't really need to detect it. Anything inside of the APPLET or OBJECT
tags that you use to embed the applet (other than PARAM tags) is rendered on
browsers that aren't running Java.

<applet ...>
<param ...>
<param ...>
<img src="..." alt="..." ...>
</applet>

**Boris** · Jul 23 '05, 03:06 PM

Re: Detecting if the client browser disabled/allows java applets ?

Wladimir Borsov wrote:[color=blue]
> On one of my web pages there is an java applets which works fine on
> my computer.
> However I noticed on some other computer that the run of java applets
> are disabled.
> I got an error message "Classnotfo und"
> Is there a way to detect (with cgi resp. javascript) if java applets
> are allowed?
> I would like to show a simple picture instead of the applet pane if
> applets are not allowed.[/color]

You put whatever you want between <applet> and </applet> which is then
displayed by browsers that do not support Java (or have Java deactivated).
However the "Classnotfo und" error seems to be something different: What Java
version does your applet use? And what Java version do you have installed on
your computer?

Boris

**George Hester** · Jul 23 '05, 03:07 PM

Re: Detecting if the client browser disabled/allows java applets ?

<applet ...alt="">
<param ...>
<param ...><img src="file.gif">
</applet>

The Classnotfound error message is a different issue.

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"Wladimir Borsov" <wladimirb@gmx. net> wrote in message news:cm62tf$a8k $04$1@news.t-online.com...[color=blue]
> On one of my web pages there is an java applets which works fine on my computer.
> However I noticed on some other computer that the run of java applets are disabled.
> I got an error message "Classnotfo und"
> Is there a way to detect (with cgi resp. javascript) if java applets are allowed?
> I would like to show a simple picture instead of the applet pane if applets are not allowed.
>
> Wladimir
>[/color]

**Andrew Thompson** · Jul 23 '05, 03:07 PM

Re: Detecting if the client browser disabled/allows java applets ?

On Wed, 03 Nov 2004 12:48:48 GMT, George Hester wrote:
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> <applet ...alt="">[/color]

That provides the message "" to anybody using an UA
with Java *disabled* (think library, corporate networks,
'school' and the internet cafe*), that's a wide audience
to which to present a message of ""...

* That is simply listing the people who may not have access
to Java *even if they wanted to*, let alone the home users
who *choose* not to install the Java plug-in.

But one more time. THIS IS NOTHING TO DO WITH JS.
(apologies for shouting)

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**George Hester** · Jul 23 '05, 03:08 PM

Re: Detecting if the client browser disabled/allows java applets ?

"Andrew Thompson" <SeeMySites@www .invalid> wrote in message news:jpdia3hnlg n2.1vqml542gphq r.dlg@40tude.ne t...[color=blue]
> On Wed, 03 Nov 2004 12:48:48 GMT, George Hester wrote:
> [color=green]
> > <applet ...alt="">[/color]
>
> That provides the message "" to anybody using an UA
> with Java *disabled* (think library, corporate networks,
> 'school' and the internet cafe*), that's a wide audience
> to which to present a message of ""...
>
> * That is simply listing the people who may not have access
> to Java *even if they wanted to*, let alone the home users
> who *choose* not to install the Java plug-in.
>
> But one more time. THIS IS NOTHING TO DO WITH JS.
> (apologies for shouting)
>
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Hi Andrew. Actually I have never seen it work too well. The user wanted an image and what I provided did do
that. I try to answer the questions as they are posed. So yes alt="Hi" is supposed to present "something" to the
user when the browser is Java challenged I just never seen it work too well. The image replacement does. He
could also just insert text there as well instead of the image.

George Hester
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**Andrew Thompson** · Jul 23 '05, 03:08 PM

Re: Detecting if the client browser disabled/allows java applets ?

On Thu, 04 Nov 2004 00:50:44 GMT, George Hester wrote:
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> So yes alt="Hi" is supposed to present "something" to the
> user when the browser is Java challenged I just never seen it work too well.[/color]

I OTOH, have witnessed it working perfectly.

All indications from your posts are that you have
a) never used a browser other than IE, and..
b) do not have the first clue about how to get applets into
a web-page for a wide variety of users.

Please stop confusing the OP.

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**George Hester** · Jul 23 '05, 03:08 PM

Re: Detecting if the client browser disabled/allows java applets ?

"Andrew Thompson" <SeeMySites@www .invalid> wrote in message news:1gu9i18s5b ey6$.170caj9t8i wlv.dlg@40tude. net...[color=blue]
> On Thu, 04 Nov 2004 00:50:44 GMT, George Hester wrote:
> [color=green]
> > So yes alt="Hi" is supposed to present "something" to the
> > user when the browser is Java challenged I just never seen it work too well.[/color]
>
> I OTOH, have witnessed it working perfectly.
>
> All indications from your posts are that you have
> a) never used a browser other than IE, and..
> b) do not have the first clue about how to get applets into
> a web-page for a wide variety of users.
>
> Please stop confusing the OP.
>
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Andrew I am going to take your nasty remarks as par for the course of this newsgroup. You belong here.

Thanks.

George Hester
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**Andrew Thompson** · Jul 23 '05, 03:08 PM

Re: Detecting if the client browser disabled/allows java applets ?

On Thu, 04 Nov 2004 05:02:17 GMT, George Hester wrote:
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> Andrew I am going to take your nasty remarks as par for the course of this newsgroup.[/color]

If it slows the rate at which you deliver bogus
information about Java, that is a good thing.
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>..You belong here.[/color]

Thanks!
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> Thanks.[/color]

You're welcome, ..anytime. ;-)

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