Array streamability...?

**Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn** · Jul 23 '05, 11:58 AM

Re: Array streamability.. .?

Joakim Braun wrote:[color=blue]
> I have <select> lists with a bunch of controls to set various values related
> to each item in the <select>. So far I'm concatenating the values with a
> separator character and storing the data in the option.value of each item,
> but that's obviously an unstable and non-general purpose solution. [...]
>
> So, as it would be a bit tedious to implement the equivalent of PHP's
> "serialize( )/unserialize()" functions from scratch - anyone seen some code
> around?[/color]

Maybe you are looking for <news:40801D1E. 7020400@Pointed Ears.de>.

PointedEars

**Randy Webb** · Jul 23 '05, 11:58 AM

Re: Array streamability.. .?

Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:

<--snip-->
[color=blue]
> Maybe you are looking for <news:40801D1E. 7020400@Pointed Ears.de>.[/color]

And maybe you should start giving commonly accessible URL's? That URL
does nothing for me. Nada.

--
Randy
Chance Favors The Prepared Mind
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**Andrew Urquhart** · Jul 23 '05, 11:58 AM

Re: Array streamability.. .?

*Randy Webb* wrote:[color=blue]
> *Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn* wrote:[color=green]
>> Maybe you are looking for <news:40801D1E. 7020400@Pointed Ears.de>.[/color]
>
> And maybe you should start giving commonly accessible URL's? That URL
> does nothing for me. Nada.[/color]

Try: https://www.google.com/groups?selm=4...PointedEars.de
--
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**Lasse Reichstein Nielsen** · Jul 23 '05, 11:58 AM

Re: Array streamability.. .?

Randy Webb <hikksnotathome @aol.com> writes:
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> Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:[/color]
[color=blue][color=green]
>> Maybe you are looking for <news:40801D1E. 7020400@Pointed Ears.de>.[/color]
>
> And maybe you should start giving commonly accessible URL's? That URL
> does nothing for me. Nada.[/color]

Then your news client is not set up to recognize news: protocol URLs,
or the message it refers to is not available on the news server you
use. The URL itself is fine.

/L
--
Lasse Reichstein Nielsen - lrn@hotpop.com
DHTML Death Colors: <URL:http://www.infimum.dk/HTML/rasterTriangleD OM.html>
'Faith without judgement merely degrades the spirit divine.'

**Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn** · Jul 23 '05, 11:58 AM

Re: Array streamability.. .?

Randy Webb wrote:[color=blue]
> Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:[color=green]
>> Maybe you are looking for <news:40801D1E. 7020400@Pointed Ears.de>.[/color]
>
> And maybe you should start giving commonly accessible URL's?[/color]

Maybe you should stop using apostrophs where not needed ;-)
[color=blue]
> That URL does nothing for me. Nada.[/color]

Alas, there is no built-in support in Mozilla/5.0 for "news:" *URIs*
as of RFC 1738 (proposed standard), section 3.6, and RFC 2396 (draft
standard), section 1.3 and appendix E. However, you can (and should)
upgrade your MailNews or Thunderbird client with the Message-ID
Finder extension, not only to support the URI scheme but also, in
cooperation with Mnenhy, to allow for clickable/searchable References:

<http://messageidfinder .mozdev.org/>
<http://mnenhy.mozdev.o rg/>

Both extensions can be installed in your profile directory, so they do
not require you to be root/Administrator and they are still available
after reinstalling Mozilla/5.0.

This has been mentioned earlier here, it seems you have overlooked it.

HTH

PointedEars

**Dr John Stockton** · Jul 23 '05, 11:59 AM

Re: Array streamability.. .?

JRS: In article <19Sdnd6LscVDfH TdRVn-jw@comcast.com> , seen in
news:comp.lang. javascript, Randy Webb <hikksnotathome @aol.com> posted at
Mon, 5 Jul 2004 19:18:46 :[color=blue]
>Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
>
><--snip-->
>[color=green]
>> Maybe you are looking for <news:40801D1E. 7020400@Pointed Ears.de>.[/color]
>
>And maybe you should start giving commonly accessible URL's? That URL
>does nothing for me. Nada.[/color]

It's a valid URL, though not necessarily a usable one. Since it is more
than about 17 days old, it is no longer in my newsbase; but I had to
search the newsbase to establish that. Had he been intelligently
considerate, he would have given the date, the subject, and the
newsgroup in addition (in general, it is also worth stating the author).

Actually, he did give the date; the first field of the message-ID is its
time_t in Hex - Fri, 2004-04-16 17:51:26 GMT - but it is unreasonable to
expect readers to recognise that without js-date3.htm#UnixT .

Since no reasonable author posts more than one message in any given
second, that first field is sufficient for local uniqueness. The second
field is therefore not necessary; unless it can be shown to be useful,
it should be removed.

--
© John Stockton, Surrey, UK. ?@merlyn.demon. co.uk Turnpike v4.00 MIME. ©
Web <URL:http://www.merlyn.demo n.co.uk/> - w. FAQish topics, links, acronyms
PAS EXE etc : <URL:http://www.merlyn.demo n.co.uk/programs/> - see 00index.htm
Dates - miscdate.htm moredate.htm js-dates.htm pas-time.htm critdate.htm etc.

**Matt Kruse** · Jul 23 '05, 11:59 AM

Re: Array streamability.. .?

Dr John Stockton wrote:[color=blue][color=green][color=darkred]
>>> Maybe you are looking for <news:40801D1E. 7020400@Pointed Ears.de>.[/color]
>> And maybe you should start giving commonly accessible URL's? That URL
>> does nothing for me. Nada.[/color]
> It's a valid URL, though not necessarily a usable one.[/color]

Indeed, it might be more useful to most people in this format:

http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=40801D1E.7020400%40PointedEars.de

Or, preferrably, both.

--
Matt Kruse
Javascript Toolbox: http://www.JavascriptToolbox.com/

**Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn** · Jul 23 '05, 11:59 AM

Re: Array streamability.. .?

Matt Kruse wrote:[color=blue]
> Dr John Stockton wrote:[color=green][color=darkred]
>>>> Maybe you are looking for <news:40801D1E. 7020400@Pointed Ears.de>.
>>> And maybe you should start giving commonly accessible URL's? That URL
>>> does nothing for me. Nada.[/color]
>> It's a valid URL, though not necessarily a usable one.[/color]
>
> Indeed, it might be more useful to most people in this format:
> http://groups.google.com/groups?selm...PointedEars.de[/color]

It might not. NetNews is not the Web.
[color=blue]
> Or, preferrably, both.[/color]

Google Groups is but an archive. It does not need to reflect what is
on the news servers ("X-No-Archive: Yes" postings are an example).

So those who complain that they cannot use such URIs should get a
standards compliant user agent (and a NetNews service provider with a
reasonable expiration setting for this group -- news.inidivual. net for
example which still has the posting referred to), learn how to use
Google (Groups) or just stop whining.

You, Matt, as an Outlook Express user, should have the least problems
with news: URIs as OE has built-in support for it.

PointedEars

**Matt Kruse** · Jul 23 '05, 11:59 AM

Re: Array streamability.. .?

Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:[color=blue]
> Google Groups is but an archive. It does not need to reflect what is
> on the news servers ("X-No-Archive: Yes" postings are an example).[/color]

Yet it often reflects much more than what is on the news servers.
The referenced article was not on my news server, but it was on google
groups.

The best solution, probably, is to have people who understand how to take a
news: url and find it in google groups. ;)

--
Matt Kruse
Javascript Toolbox: http://www.JavascriptToolbox.com/

**Lasse Reichstein Nielsen** · Jul 23 '05, 11:59 AM

Re: Array streamability.. .?

"Matt Kruse" <newsgroups@mat tkruse.com> writes:
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> Indeed, it might be more useful to most people in this format:
> http://groups.google.com/groups?selm...PointedEars.de[/color]

But that's not the same URL.

I believe XNews automatically queries Google News if the message isn't
available on the news server. In any case, giving a unique
identification of the message in a standard format should be sufficient.

A news: URL is just that, the smallest uniquely identifying piece
of information in a standard format.

/L
--
Lasse Reichstein Nielsen - lrn@hotpop.com
DHTML Death Colors: <URL:http://www.infimum.dk/HTML/rasterTriangleD OM.html>
'Faith without judgement merely degrades the spirit divine.'

**Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn** · Jul 23 '05, 11:59 AM

Re: Array streamability.. .?

Matt Kruse wrote:[color=blue]
> The best solution, probably, is to have people who understand how to
> take a news: url and find it in google groups. ;)[/color]

Full ACK :)

PointedEars

**Randy Webb** · Jul 23 '05, 11:59 AM

Re: Array streamability.. .?

Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:[color=blue]
> Matt Kruse wrote:
>[color=green]
>>Dr John Stockton wrote:
>>[color=darkred]
>>>>>Maybe you are looking for <news:40801D1E. 7020400@Pointed Ears.de>.
>>>>
>>>>And maybe you should start giving commonly accessible URL's? That URL
>>>>does nothing for me. Nada.
>>>
>>>It's a valid URL, though not necessarily a usable one.[/color]
>>
>>Indeed, it might be more useful to most people in this format:
>>http://groups.google.com/groups?selm...PointedEars.de[/color]
>
>
> It might not. NetNews is not the Web.[/color]

Very true. And vice versa.
[color=blue]
>[color=green]
>>Or, preferrably, both.[/color]
>
>
> Google Groups is but an archive. It does not need to reflect what is
> on the news servers ("X-No-Archive: Yes" postings are an example).[/color]

Why anyone would want a post in c.l.j not archived is beyond me, unless
you don't want what you say to be reviewed in the future.
[color=blue]
> So those who complain that they cannot use such URIs should get a
> standards compliant user agent (and a NetNews service provider with a
> reasonable expiration setting for this group -- news.inidivual. net for
> example which still has the posting referred to), learn how to use
> Google (Groups) or just stop whining.[/color]

I have both. A "standards compliant user agent" and a NetNews service
provider with a "reasonable expiration setting". What I fail to have is
a setup the same as yours. It does NOT make mine "non-compliant". For
one to provide a URI/URL that is not "commonly accessible URI/URL" is a
fallacy that I pointed out, not whining. Learn the difference.

--
Randy
Chance Favors The Prepared Mind
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**Frederic Banaszak** · Jul 23 '05, 12:00 PM

Re: Array streamability.. .?

On Tue, 06 Jul 2004 15:47:39 +0200, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn
<PointedEars@nu rfuerspam.de> wrote:
[color=blue]
>Randy Webb wrote:[color=green]
>> Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:[color=darkred]
>>> Maybe you are looking for <news:40801D1E. 7020400@Pointed Ears.de>.[/color]
>>
>> And maybe you should start giving commonly accessible URL's?[/color]
>
>Maybe you should stop using apostrophs where not needed ;-)
>[/color]

Somebody apparently made this just for you:

http://www.angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif

And by the by, the word, in English, is apostrophe. If you are going
to be pedantic, you might as well go all the way.

--
Fred

**Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn** · Jul 23 '05, 12:00 PM

Re: Array streamability.. .?

Randy Webb wrote:[color=blue]
> Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:[color=green]
>> Matt Kruse wrote:[color=darkred]
>>> Dr John Stockton wrote:
>>>>>> Maybe you are looking for <news:40801D1E. 7020400@Pointed Ears.de>.
>>>>> And maybe you should start giving commonly accessible URL's? That URL
>>>>> does nothing for me. Nada.
>>>> It's a valid URL, though not necessarily a usable one.
>>> Indeed, it might be more useful to most people in this format:
>>> http://groups.google.com/groups?selm...PointedEars.de
>>>
>>> Or, preferrably, both.[/color]
>>
>> Google Groups is but an archive. It does not need to reflect what is
>> on the news servers ("X-No-Archive: Yes" postings are an example).[/color]
>
> Why anyone would want a post in c.l.j not archived is beyond me, unless
> you don't want what you say to be reviewed in the future.[/color]

That's the point. It is not very polite to readers, but an issue and
sometimes there are valid reasons for doing so.
[color=blue][color=green]
>>So those who complain that they cannot use such URIs should get a
>>standards compliant user agent (and a NetNews service provider with a
>>reasonable expiration setting for this group -- news.inidivual. net for
>>example which still has the posting referred to), learn how to use
>>Google (Groups) or just stop whining.[/color]
>
> I have both.[/color]

No, you have not.
[color=blue]
> A "standards compliant user agent"[/color]

If that would be the case, it would understand standardized news: URIs
by default, without any extension. Alas, that is not true for any
Mozilla/5.0 application to date. I am using e.g. Mozilla/5.0
Thunderbird for which this applies, too, so please do not blame me for
Mozilla bashing. Mozilla/5.0 MailNews/Thunderbird is good, yet its
support is incomplete and thus it cannot be considered a 100% standards
compliant client.
[color=blue]
> and a NetNews service provider with a "reasonable expiration setting"[/color]

Fine.
[color=blue]
> What I fail to have is a setup the same as yours.[/color]

Yes, you have the *default* setup which is exactly the problem here.
[color=blue]
> It does NOT make mine "non-compliant".[/color]

I have never said that.
[color=blue]
> For one to provide a URI/URL that is not "commonly accessible URI/URL"
> is a fallacy that I pointed out[/color]

It *is* a commonly accessible URI. It is standardized (you maybe want
to get informed about RFCs) and millions of Outlook Express and Google
Groups users can use it. I do not hail to OE and GG when it comes to
Usenet for there are serious flaws in either software, but that is one
important thing both implement and Mozilla does not.
[color=blue]
> Learn the difference.[/color]

I suggest *you* do and we continue further off-topic discussion via
e-mail or on MozillaZine or anywhere else but not here. Mozilla's
*default* behavior in this case is clearly _not_ standards compliant.

PointedEars

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