Closing a window

**Mick White** · Jul 23 '05, 10:45 AM

Re: Closing a window

Kevin Partin wrote:
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> I am creating HTML documents that have the same structure as shown
> below. As a convenience to the user, I wanted to simply put a button
> on the bottom of the page to close the window. However, since the
> window is not created by a script, the onclick command does not work.
> These files are simply meant to be clicked on by the user and
> displayed in their browser of choice. Any suggestions?[/color]
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> <input type="button" value="Close"
> onclick="window .close()" style="font-family:
> arial,helvetica ,sans-serif;">[/color]

Personally, I would learn to come to grips with the "limitation s" of
javascript.
The reason that browsers are reluctant to close the main window is that
is a poor ui technique, and it often leaves the user confused.
Mick

**Michael Winter** · Jul 23 '05, 10:45 AM

Re: Closing a window

On 6 May 2004 08:16:44 -0700, Kevin Partin
<Kevin.S.Partin @Alumni.UTexas. net> wrote:
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> I am creating HTML documents that have the same structure as shown
> below. As a convenience to the user, I wanted to simply put a button
> on the bottom of the page to close the window. However, since the
> window is not created by a script, the onclick command does not work.
> These files are simply meant to be clicked on by the user and
> displayed in their browser of choice. Any suggestions?[/color]

Please read the FAQ, especially:

<URL:http://jibbering.com/faq/#FAQ4_14>

[snip]

Mike

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Michael Winter
M.Winter@blueyo nder.co.invalid (replace ".invalid" with ".uk" to reply)

**Randy Webb** · Jul 23 '05, 10:45 AM

Re: Closing a window

Michael Winter wrote:
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> On 6 May 2004 08:16:44 -0700, Kevin Partin
> <Kevin.S.Partin @Alumni.UTexas. net> wrote:
>[color=green]
>> I am creating HTML documents that have the same structure as shown
>> below. As a convenience to the user, I wanted to simply put a button
>> on the bottom of the page to close the window. However, since the
>> window is not created by a script, the onclick command does not work.
>> These files are simply meant to be clicked on by the user and
>> displayed in their browser of choice. Any suggestions?[/color]
>
>
> Please read the FAQ, especially:
>
> <URL:http://jibbering.com/faq/#FAQ4_14>[/color]

And then know that it is technically incorrect close to 90% of the time?

No, I don't want to get into a debate about whether I can/should close a
window. Its bad design, but it doesn't change the truth.

--
Randy
Chance Favors The Prepared Mind
comp.lang.javas cript FAQ - http://jibbering.com/faq/

**Mick White** · Jul 23 '05, 10:45 AM

Re: Closing a window

Michael Winter wrote:
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> On 6 May 2004 08:16:44 -0700, Kevin Partin
> <Kevin.S.Partin @Alumni.UTexas. net> wrote:
>[color=green]
>> I am creating HTML documents that have the same structure as shown
>> below. As a convenience to the user, I wanted to simply put a button
>> on the bottom of the page to close the window. However, since the
>> window is not created by a script, the onclick command does not work.
>> These files are simply meant to be clicked on by the user and
>> displayed in their browser of choice. Any suggestions?[/color]
>
>
> Please read the FAQ, especially:
>
> <URL:http://jibbering.com/faq/#FAQ4_14>
>
> [snip]
>
> Mike
>[/color]
Some browsers will close the window under some circumstances, the FAQ
fails to address the consequences of closing the main window, rather the
FAQ categorically states that it is not possible.
Mick

**Michael Winter** · Jul 23 '05, 10:46 AM

Re: Closing a window

On Thu, 06 May 2004 16:13:41 GMT, Mick White
<mwhite13@BOGUS rochester.rr.co m> wrote:

[snip]
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> Some browsers will close the window under some circumstances, the FAQ
> fails to address the consequences of closing the main window, rather the
> FAQ categorically states that it is not possible.[/color]

I realise that (I know the hack), but what exactly is the point in
relaying the existance of a browser flaw to achieve something that
shouldn't be attempted anyway? Particularly if it doesn't work with all
browsers.

Closing the window via a link or button doesn't provide convenience, just
an alternative way to do something that you could already do three other
ways. Users know about the button in the title bar (that is, the X in
Windows and KDE). Most will know about an exit option in the File menu.
Some will also know about the Alt+F4 keystroke. An application specific
way is not expected and completely unnecessary. Why encourage it?

Mike

--
Michael Winter
M.Winter@blueyo nder.co.invalid (replace ".invalid" with ".uk" to reply)

**Mick White** · Jul 23 '05, 10:46 AM

Re: Closing a window

Michael Winter wrote:
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> On Thu, 06 May 2004 16:13:41 GMT, Mick White
> <mwhite13@BOGUS rochester.rr.co m> wrote:
>
> [snip]
>[color=green]
>> Some browsers will close the window under some circumstances, the FAQ
>> fails to address the consequences of closing the main window, rather
>> the FAQ categorically states that it is not possible.[/color]
>
>
> I realise that (I know the hack), but what exactly is the point in
> relaying the existance of a browser flaw to achieve something that
> shouldn't be attempted anyway? Particularly if it doesn't work with all
> browsers.
>
> Closing the window via a link or button doesn't provide convenience,
> just an alternative way to do something that you could already do three
> other ways. Users know about the button in the title bar (that is, the X
> in Windows and KDE). Most will know about an exit option in the File
> menu. Some will also know about the Alt+F4 keystroke. An application
> specific way is not expected and completely unnecessary. Why encourage it?
>
> Mike
>[/color]

I agree with your sentiments entirely, I just have a problem with
"impossible ". It may be better to acknowledge that it can be done, for
the sake of truth, if nothing else.
Mick

**Randy Webb** · Jul 23 '05, 10:46 AM

Re: Closing a window

Mick White wrote:[color=blue]
> Michael Winter wrote:
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>> On Thu, 06 May 2004 16:13:41 GMT, Mick White
>> <mwhite13@BOGUS rochester.rr.co m> wrote:
>>
>> [snip]
>>[color=darkred]
>>> Some browsers will close the window under some circumstances, the FAQ
>>> fails to address the consequences of closing the main window, rather
>>> the FAQ categorically states that it is not possible.[/color]
>>
>>
>>
>> I realise that (I know the hack), but what exactly is the point in
>> relaying the existance of a browser flaw to achieve something that
>> shouldn't be attempted anyway? Particularly if it doesn't work with
>> all browsers.
>>
>> Closing the window via a link or button doesn't provide convenience,
>> just an alternative way to do something that you could already do
>> three other ways. Users know about the button in the title bar (that
>> is, the X in Windows and KDE). Most will know about an exit option in
>> the File menu. Some will also know about the Alt+F4 keystroke. An
>> application specific way is not expected and completely unnecessary.
>> Why encourage it?
>>
>> Mike
>>[/color]
>
> I agree with your sentiments entirely, I just have a problem with
> "impossible ". It may be better to acknowledge that it can be done, for
> the sake of truth, if nothing else.[/color]

I stopped posting the "hack" and even the path to get to it via google
(search the archives for "unconditio nal truth" and you will find it),
not because I got tired of it, but because I got tired of the "you
shouldn't do that" argument. No, you shouldn't, but it doesn't change
the fact that more and more browsers are implementing this "bug" (Yes,
its a bug). But its hard to call/believe something is a bug when its so
prevelant.

--
Randy
Chance Favors The Prepared Mind
comp.lang.javas cript FAQ - http://jibbering.com/faq/

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