Can you build a Web Page with Java - Like you can with Flash?

**Hal Rosser** · Jul 17 '05, 11:20 PM

Re: Can you build a Web Page with Java - Like you can with Flash?

If you're looking for something easy - better stay with flash and PHP
Java is free - and can run on free operating systems and operate with free
web servers
Its a higher echelon of programming.

"tmb" <topmailbox@yah oo.com> wrote in message
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> 1 - Can you build an entire web page or site with Java... sorta like you[/color]
can[color=blue]
> with Flash?
>
> 2 - Can you do...
> .. Drag & Drop
> .. Push Buttons
> .. Hot Spot
> .. Hot Object
> .. Pull Down's (combo boxs)
> .. data entry fields
>
> With Java?
>
> 3 - Can you show Windows format, Apple format or Flash movies within a[/color]
Java[color=blue]
> Web page or a Java Application (embedded... not via launching another
> window)
>
> 4 - What are the down sides of using Java to build a web page or site?
>
> thanks for any comments.
>
>[/color]

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**Michael N. Christoff** · Jul 17 '05, 11:20 PM

Re: Can you build a Web Page with Java - Like you can with Flash?

"tmb" <topmailbox@yah oo.com> wrote in message
news:jpLyc.6399 8$w34.3146679@t wister.tampabay .rr.com...[color=blue]
> 1 - Can you build an entire web page or site with Java... sorta like you[/color]
can[color=blue]
> with Flash?
>
> 2 - Can you do...
> .. Drag & Drop
> .. Push Buttons
> .. Hot Spot
> .. Hot Object
> .. Pull Down's (combo boxs)
> .. data entry fields
>
> With Java?
>[/color]

Java can do all of these things. However, it is less a matter of 'Java' and
more a matter of what IDE you use. For top of the line stuff, check out BEA
Weblogic Workshop 8.1. It allows you to graphically design the page flows
of entire websites, and also lets you merge them and other sites into a
single web portal. As for direct work on web pages, there are WYSIWYG html
editors that understand JSP.
[color=blue]
> 3 - Can you show Windows format, Apple format or Flash movies within a[/color]
Java[color=blue]
> Web page or a Java Application (embedded... not via launching another
> window)
>[/color]

Java can do anything a cgi or perl or php based website can do.
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> 4 - What are the down sides of using Java to build a web page or site?
>[/color]

I would hazard to guess you are interested in building a relatively small
site. If so, you should need nothing more than JavaBeans, JSP and JDBC
database connections. At this level, Java is similar in difficulty to ASP.

l8r, Mike N. Christoff

**arif** · Jul 17 '05, 11:20 PM

Re: Can you build a Web Page with Java - Like you can with Flash?

hi guys
i wanted to make a corporate application using just the frames(no applets).
well is it possible to make one with real time worth in it.

**tmb** · Jul 17 '05, 11:20 PM

Re: Can you build a Web Page with Java - Like you can with Flash?

Easy is always a budget saving issue :)

But in this case, we want to develope a large series of products that can
run on all the major operating systems...

We also want to run as either a stand alone app or a web based app.

We also want to NOT have all the source code hanging out there so all
someone has to do is click View | Source

There is more...

My question is...
.... can we create a window...
.... put interactive objects in the window... like buttons, hot spots, hot
zones, data entry fields, etc... ... and can we show Windows Movie files
(embedded in our window... not launch Windows Media Player as a seperate
window)
.... and can we also show Flash files embedded in the window as above?)

If we can do in Java what they do in Flash and/or HTML, then I think Java
may be our solution.

thanks for any additional comments - tmb

"Hal Rosser" <hmrosser@bells outh.net> wrote in message
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> If you're looking for something easy - better stay with flash and PHP
> Java is free - and can run on free operating systems and operate with[/color]
free[color=blue]
> web servers
> Its a higher echelon of programming.
>
> "tmb" <topmailbox@yah oo.com> wrote in message
> news:jpLyc.6399 8$w34.3146679@t wister.tampabay .rr.com...[color=green]
> > 1 - Can you build an entire web page or site with Java... sorta like you[/color]
> can[color=green]
> > with Flash?
> >
> > 2 - Can you do...
> > .. Drag & Drop
> > .. Push Buttons
> > .. Hot Spot
> > .. Hot Object
> > .. Pull Down's (combo boxs)
> > .. data entry fields
> >
> > With Java?
> >
> > 3 - Can you show Windows format, Apple format or Flash movies within a[/color]
> Java[color=green]
> > Web page or a Java Application (embedded... not via launching another
> > window)
> >
> > 4 - What are the down sides of using Java to build a web page or site?
> >
> > thanks for any comments.
> >
> >[/color]
>
>
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**perry** · Jul 17 '05, 11:20 PM

Re: Can you build a Web Page with Java - Like you can with Flash?

you can do anything you want if your willing to put the energy into
it... it pays however to use the right tool for the right job.
everything you've asked for can be done with java but your kinda going
against the grain. use flash for what flash is good for and no more, use
java for what java is good for and no more....

- perry

tmb wrote:[color=blue]
> 1 - Can you build an entire web page or site with Java... sorta like you can
> with Flash?
>
> 2 - Can you do...
> .. Drag & Drop
> .. Push Buttons
> .. Hot Spot
> .. Hot Object
> .. Pull Down's (combo boxs)
> .. data entry fields
>
> With Java?
>
> 3 - Can you show Windows format, Apple format or Flash movies within a Java
> Web page or a Java Application (embedded... not via launching another
> window)
>
> 4 - What are the down sides of using Java to build a web page or site?
>
> thanks for any comments.
>
>[/color]

**tmb** · Jul 17 '05, 11:20 PM

Re: Can you build a Web Page with Java - Like you can with Flash?

We need to run both as a stand-alone app and a web based app...

In the stand-alone (no internet connection or local server) and, we need to
be able to read and write to the local disk and probably to a data base...

While I think you can do it with Flash... I'm not sure that is the tool of
choice for standalone apps that are reading and writing data to the local
hard disk.

Can be done, I understand, but Java much more flexable.

tmb

"perry" <perry@cplusplu s.org> wrote in message
news:Fx_yc.2641 $nY.46969@news2 0.bellglobal.co m...[color=blue]
> you can do anything you want if your willing to put the energy into
> it... it pays however to use the right tool for the right job.
> everything you've asked for can be done with java but your kinda going
> against the grain. use flash for what flash is good for and no more, use
> java for what java is good for and no more....
>
> - perry
>
> tmb wrote:[color=green]
> > 1 - Can you build an entire web page or site with Java... sorta like you[/color][/color]
can[color=blue][color=green]
> > with Flash?
> >
> > 2 - Can you do...
> > .. Drag & Drop
> > .. Push Buttons
> > .. Hot Spot
> > .. Hot Object
> > .. Pull Down's (combo boxs)
> > .. data entry fields
> >
> > With Java?
> >
> > 3 - Can you show Windows format, Apple format or Flash movies within a[/color][/color]
Java[color=blue][color=green]
> > Web page or a Java Application (embedded... not via launching another
> > window)
> >
> > 4 - What are the down sides of using Java to build a web page or site?
> >
> > thanks for any comments.
> >
> >[/color]
>
>[/color]

**perry** · Jul 17 '05, 11:21 PM

Re: Can you build a Web Page with Java - Like you can with Flash?

first things first, you need to define the scope of your application. a
step often missed by over-eager developers. have you taken the time to
sit down with an experienced systems analyst? someone well versed in
helping you determine the functionality that you, the end user, really
are looking for? if you have over looked this step, it is so easy to get
caught up with all the tiny details and issues related to one technology
over another.

flash has it's good points, and depending upon how important nice
graphics are concerned, and how quickly you want to see something nice
instead of a full blown product, then rapid prototyping with flash is
something to consider. however, if your application has many
non-graphical issues to consider, like portability and
platform/networking independence then java is the logical choice (not
discounting other technologies like C, Lisp & C++, they each have their
strong points too).

as i said, would it be possible for you to either sit down with an
accomplished systems analyst to determine first what it is that you
would really like to do? or could you take the time to describe what you
want, even over this newsgroup?

feel free to email me directly.

- perry

perry@cplusplus .org

tmb wrote:[color=blue]
> We need to run both as a stand-alone app and a web based app...
>
> In the stand-alone (no internet connection or local server) and, we need to
> be able to read and write to the local disk and probably to a data base...
>
> While I think you can do it with Flash... I'm not sure that is the tool of
> choice for standalone apps that are reading and writing data to the local
> hard disk.
>
> Can be done, I understand, but Java much more flexable.
>
> tmb
>
> "perry" <perry@cplusplu s.org> wrote in message
> news:Fx_yc.2641 $nY.46969@news2 0.bellglobal.co m...
>[color=green]
>>you can do anything you want if your willing to put the energy into
>>it... it pays however to use the right tool for the right job.
>>everything you've asked for can be done with java but your kinda going
>>against the grain. use flash for what flash is good for and no more, use
>>java for what java is good for and no more....
>>
>>- perry
>>
>>tmb wrote:
>>[color=darkred]
>>>1 - Can you build an entire web page or site with Java... sorta like you[/color][/color]
>
> can
>[color=green][color=darkred]
>>>with Flash?
>>>
>>>2 - Can you do...
>>> .. Drag & Drop
>>> .. Push Buttons
>>> .. Hot Spot
>>> .. Hot Object
>>> .. Pull Down's (combo boxs)
>>> .. data entry fields
>>>
>>>With Java?
>>>
>>>3 - Can you show Windows format, Apple format or Flash movies within a[/color][/color]
>
> Java
>[color=green][color=darkred]
>>>Web page or a Java Application (embedded... not via launching another
>>>window)
>>>
>>>4 - What are the down sides of using Java to build a web page or site?
>>>
>>>thanks for any comments.
>>>
>>>[/color]
>>
>>[/color]
>
>[/color]

**joao coelho** · Jul 17 '05, 11:21 PM

Re: Can you build a Web Page with Java - Like you can with Flash?

First, Lisp ? Just a question as i am interested in playing with
Lisp, partly because i had a heck of a time with it. Can one do gui
or web based stuff with Lisp ? And where would i get the compiler -
GNU ?

Second question. I am in a similar boat. We are moving away from a
character based system and rewriting it in Java. The senior
programmer kind of wants to hack - develop a small prototype for a
simple one form. But he is thinking GUI on desktop and has not
thought through all that is involved in developing a web based app,
especially one that would replace the current one: old character based
app running on unix and non client-server but hostbased: app resides
on one machine users log onto the machine via a number of ways:
telnetting through terminal emulation, or logging into the server with
the application. We want to replace that system. What i am trying to
find out is is there a good book on doing web development, especially
one that deals with converting old apps to a web based system.
Thanks.

perry <perry@cplusplu s.org> wrote in message news:<YAEzc.160 59$nY.572488@ne ws20.bellglobal .com>...[color=blue]
> first things first, you need to define the scope of your application. a
> step often missed by over-eager developers. have you taken the time to
> sit down with an experienced systems analyst? someone well versed in
> helping you determine the functionality that you, the end user, really
> are looking for? if you have over looked this step, it is so easy to get
> caught up with all the tiny details and issues related to one technology
> over another.
>
> flash has it's good points, and depending upon how important nice
> graphics are concerned, and how quickly you want to see something nice
> instead of a full blown product, then rapid prototyping with flash is
> something to consider. however, if your application has many
> non-graphical issues to consider, like portability and
> platform/networking independence then java is the logical choice (not
> discounting other technologies like C, Lisp & C++, they each have their
> strong points too).
>
> as i said, would it be possible for you to either sit down with an
> accomplished systems analyst to determine first what it is that you
> would really like to do? or could you take the time to describe what you
> want, even over this newsgroup?
>
> feel free to email me directly.
>
> - perry
>
> perry@cplusplus .org
>
>
> tmb wrote:[color=green]
> > We need to run both as a stand-alone app and a web based app...
> >
> > In the stand-alone (no internet connection or local server) and, we need to
> > be able to read and write to the local disk and probably to a data base...
> >
> > While I think you can do it with Flash... I'm not sure that is the tool of
> > choice for standalone apps that are reading and writing data to the local
> > hard disk.
> >
> > Can be done, I understand, but Java much more flexable.
> >
> > tmb
> >
> > "perry" <perry@cplusplu s.org> wrote in message
> > news:Fx_yc.2641 $nY.46969@news2 0.bellglobal.co m...
> >[color=darkred]
> >>you can do anything you want if your willing to put the energy into
> >>it... it pays however to use the right tool for the right job.
> >>everything you've asked for can be done with java but your kinda going
> >>against the grain. use flash for what flash is good for and no more, use
> >>java for what java is good for and no more....
> >>
> >>- perry
> >>
> >>tmb wrote:
> >>
> >>>1 - Can you build an entire web page or site with Java... sorta like you[/color]
> >
> > can
> >[color=darkred]
> >>>with Flash?
> >>>
> >>>2 - Can you do...
> >>> .. Drag & Drop
> >>> .. Push Buttons
> >>> .. Hot Spot
> >>> .. Hot Object
> >>> .. Pull Down's (combo boxs)
> >>> .. data entry fields
> >>>
> >>>With Java?
> >>>
> >>>3 - Can you show Windows format, Apple format or Flash movies within a[/color]
> >
> > Java
> >[color=darkred]
> >>>Web page or a Java Application (embedded... not via launching another
> >>>window)
> >>>
> >>>4 - What are the down sides of using Java to build a web page or site?
> >>>
> >>>thanks for any comments.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>[/color]
> >
> >[/color][/color]

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