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  • sicarie
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    • Nov 2006
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    #76
    Vace-

    I did not say you were not a good programmer, I haven't seen your code - I have no idea how good a programmer you are. I said I don't believe most (not all, most) virus writers are very talented. That does not mean there aren't some out there who are. There are two systems that pop immediately to mind that are frameworks to deliver exploits that are coded very well. However, I do believe these to be the exception, rather than the rule.

    You brought it up that you were a "virus writer" (on a site that has a declared policy against anything of the sort), and keep referencing yourself as one. I'm just saying, in the security field that gets you little to no credit. I'm hoping that soon you will break away from identifying yourself as one, and move on to "developer, " or even "kernel developer" - I think that is not only a much more noble aspiration, but more legal and marketable as well ;).

    And I never questioned your understanding of a kernel, I was attempting to re-interpret some of the concerns posted here - I think it would be great if you guys were able to create an OS, but to make one that will be able to compete with Windows and Linux, it will take several years, possibly several decades. If I questioned your understanding of a kernel, I would have linked you to howthingswork.c om or something else giving a more basic view, rather than kernel.org which holds the development and the source for the Linux kernel.

    You can take the early versions of Linux and use them as a bit of a guide - not only see where they were going, but see what features had to be added in, what the most common problems were, what the most common exploits were, how they structured their code, how they versioned it, things like that that will help you a great deal with creating your project plan and timeline rather than just jumping into "creating a kernel" without any sort of plan, or exact idea of where you are going. You are a programmer - you should know that you need a clear goal - good documentation, good pseudocode, and defined goals/modules.

    I'm sorry if my post came off as condescending or attacking, I was just attempting to clarify what I thought the main issue would be that you would run into (the commitment of spending that much time in front of your IDE/debugger). I think this is a great project and wish you and your team the best.

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    • gits
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      • May 2007
      • 5388

      #77
      heya vace,

      don't take it personal ... all what was said here is to help or guide you in the right direction ... as far as i can see ... nobody said that you CANNOT do it ... only pointing out some basic things that you should notice to get a better overview of the complexity that is associated with the development of an OS ... and at this point i wish you the best too with that project.

      i'm even convinced that virus-writing is not a goal that good programmers should spend their time with :) ... since it does harm those people that are not aware of it and thus the wrong ones. i DO think that good programmers are kind of good hackers that should exploit the security issues that occur ... even with ms or linux or whatever application ... but not for destroying but for fixing it ... do you know what i mean? writing viruses seems to show a bad attitude while hacking a system and only showing that it is hackable is certainly a good thing since the system may be fixed now and thus it will be improved ...

      best wishes to you and your team - vace ...

      kind regards
      gits

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      • VACEPROGRAMER
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        • Nov 2007
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        #78
        OK. So you again attack me.It's OK.You need something to now. I spen all my time on computer.I don't go out at night , don't lisetn songs , don't wathc movies , don't whach any sport , don't play any sport, don't play games, I don't have a friend and you now why?? Because nobady thiks is usseful that you are programer.And do you know how I find www.scripts.com , I was searching how to turn of computer whit vb 06. And do you know why I won't buildit alone the new OS. Because I hate internate and Lan , Wan. So some OS without Internet isn't good. So I want to help mme but like I can see you don't wana helpme and you continuali attack me!!

        Have a nice day

        Vace

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        • YarrOfDoom
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          • Aug 2007
          • 1243

          #79
          We are not attacking you, Vace. We're just wondering why you talk like creating an OS is something you can do as easily as writing a simple calculator-program. And of course others are trying to make clear that writing virusses isn't something to be proud of, it's being proud of destroying other people's stuff.
          Last edited by Killer42; Jan 27 '08, 08:01 AM. Reason: Just corrected "off course"

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          • VACEPROGRAMER
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            #80
            Thanks Yarr. Only you and Ali are my friend and you soport me.


            Vace

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            • VACEPROGRAMER
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              #81
              Yarr can you send to me some compaliers for *.exe for Linux. Please is very inportant

              Vace

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              • sicarie
                Recognized Expert Specialist
                • Nov 2006
                • 4677

                #82
                Vace, what did I say that was attacking? I'm suggesting ways to help you develop your kernel.

                Also, Linux programs are not exe files - but you can find several compilers by doing a Google search for "linux c++ compiler". I personally use gcc.

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                • VACEPROGRAMER
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                  #83
                  I look for Windows compailer for Linux (I don't need- my professor need it)
                  Oh you don't attack me. I don't think so. You generaly attac me !!!!!!!!


                  Vace

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                  • VACEPROGRAMER
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                    #84
                    You attack me more than enywhone in the scripts.

                    Vace

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                    • sicarie
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                      #85
                      Originally posted by VACEPROGRAMER
                      You attack me more than enywhone in the scripts.

                      Vace
                      What am I saying that is attacking? I never said you were a bad programmer, I said that I don't like virus programmers. That's it. I'm sorry you took it personally, but that's not a personal attack against you. If you hadn't noticed, I have been attempting to support you developing a kernel, trying to give you links and advice. I can stop if you want.

                      I haven't heard of any compilers that run on Windows and compile for Linux, though I suppose it's possible. I think the closest you are going to get is Cygwin - a Linux emulator for Windows. But there you will be compiling with gcc, but it's a Windows port, so you'll still have exe files (and these won't run on Linux machines, as they are .exe's).

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                      • VACEPROGRAMER
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                        #86
                        I don't wana stop.I'm just proud because the experts support me and thats for helping.So why we don't start whit building.It's have some problem??

                        Vace

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                        • VACEPROGRAMER
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                          #87
                          Have some codes for Borland Kernel????

                          Vace

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                          • YarrOfDoom
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                            #88
                            Originally posted by VACEPROGRAMER
                            Yarr can you send to me some compaliers for *.exe for Linux. Please is very inportant
                            Vace
                            A windows compiler to create linux programs? Wouldn't it be better to get linux and run a linux compiler on it, you need linux anyway to test the programs you create.

                            Start building? Maybe we should gather a bit more information about coding so that you computer can use it without any usage of windows/linux/... resources.

                            And really, nobody is attacking you...

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                            • VACEPROGRAMER
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                              #89
                              No . . No . . No !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !
                              My professor want to use *. exe In Linux

                              Yarr get on MSN plese
                              now i'm online
                              Vace

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                              • sicarie
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                                #90
                                Originally posted by VACEPROGRAMER
                                No . . No . . No !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !
                                My professor want to use *. exe In Linux

                                Yarr get on MSN plese
                                now i'm online
                                Vace
                                So WINE then? It's a Windows emulator for Linux. Though I hear it's a beast to set up...

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