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  • s creps
    New Member
    • Oct 2007
    • 1

    #1

    equations

    (c+2) +8 =4 i cannot work this out...HELP!!!!!
  • RedSon
    Recognized Expert Expert
    • Jan 2007
    • 4980

    #2
    Originally posted by s creps
    (c+2) +8 =4 i cannot work this out...HELP!!!!!
    You can't solve for c in this equation?

    How do you solve this:

    c + 2 + 8 -4 = 0?

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    • MMcCarthy
      Recognized Expert MVP
      • Aug 2006
      • 14387

      #3
      Originally posted by s creps
      (c+2) +8 =4 i cannot work this out...HELP!!!!!
      As RedSon says you can simply move the 4 to the left and make it negative. The brackets in this case won't have any effect as all the operators are + or - and so precedence has no meaning.

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      • RedSon
        Recognized Expert Expert
        • Jan 2007
        • 4980

        #4
        Originally posted by mmccarthy
        As RedSon says you can simply move the 4 to the left and make it negative. The brackets in this case won't have any effect as all the operators are + or - and so precedence has no meaning.
        Here is a tough question, how do you solve this?

        4 + [( 6 - 9 ) + (8 + 9)] = 15 - [2 + ( 3 - 6 + 8 ) + 2]

        zOMG!

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        • mrnn
          New Member
          • Sep 2007
          • 29

          #5
          Originally posted by RedSon
          Here is a tough question, how do you solve this?

          4 + [( 6 - 9 ) + (8 + 9)] = 15 - [2 + ( 3 - 6 + 8 ) + 2]

          zOMG!
          4 + [( 6 - 9 ) + (8 + 9)] = 15 - [2 + ( 3 - 6 + 8 ) + 2]

          parenthesis first

          4 + [ -3 + 17 ] = 15 - [ 2 + 5 + 2 ]

          now the brackets

          4 + 14 = 15 - 9

          now the basic math

          18 = 6

          ......hmmmm.... .......that could be a problem.....

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          • MMcCarthy
            Recognized Expert MVP
            • Aug 2006
            • 14387

            #6
            Originally posted by mrnn
            4 + [( 6 - 9 ) + (8 + 9)] = 15 - [2 + ( 3 - 6 + 8 ) + 2]

            parenthesis first

            4 + [ -3 + 17 ] = 15 - [ 2 + 5 + 2 ]

            now the brackets

            4 + 14 = 15 - 9

            now the basic math

            18 = 6

            ......hmmmm.... .......that could be a problem.....
            LOL!

            Oops, RedSon can't add ....

            and I'm sorry yes, parenthesis do count :)

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            • RedSon
              Recognized Expert Expert
              • Jan 2007
              • 4980

              #7
              Originally posted by mrnn
              4 + [( 6 - 9 ) + (8 + 9)] = 15 - [2 + ( 3 - 6 + 8 ) + 2]

              parenthesis first

              4 + [ -3 + 17 ] = 15 - [ 2 + 5 + 2 ]

              now the brackets

              4 + 14 = 15 - 9

              now the basic math

              18 = 6

              ......hmmmm.... .......that could be a problem.....
              Duh I forgot to add the unknown quantity into my equation ROFL!!

              4 + [( 6 - 9 ) + (8 + 9)] = 15 - [2 + ( 3 - 6 + 8 ) + 2] + x

              There that should be solveable.

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              • MMcCarthy
                Recognized Expert MVP
                • Aug 2006
                • 14387

                #8
                Originally posted by RedSon
                Duh I forgot to add the unknown quantity into my equation ROFL!!

                4 + [( 6 - 9 ) + (8 + 9)] = 15 - [2 + ( 3 - 6 + 8 ) + 2] + x

                There that should be solveable.
                If you don't ignore parenthesis

                4 + [( 6 - 9 ) + (8 + 9)] = 15 - [2 + ( 3 - 6 + 8 ) + 2] + x

                4 + [-3+17] = 15 - [2 + 5 + 2] + x
                4 + 14 = 15 - 9 + x
                18 = 6 + x
                18 - 6 = x
                12 = x

                However, if you do ignore parenthesis (which is wrong)

                4 + [( 6 - 9 ) + (8 + 9)] = 15 - [2 + ( 3 - 6 + 8 ) + 2] + x
                4 + 6 - 9 + 8 + 9 = 15 - 2 + 3 - 6 + 8 + 2 + x
                18 = 20 + x
                18 - 20 = x
                -2 = x

                My algebra tutor would be horrified :D

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                • RedSon
                  Recognized Expert Expert
                  • Jan 2007
                  • 4980

                  #9
                  Originally posted by mmccarthy
                  If you don't ignore parenthesis

                  4 + [( 6 - 9 ) + (8 + 9)] = 15 - [2 + ( 3 - 6 + 8 ) + 2] + x

                  4 + [-3+17] = 15 - [2 + 5 + 2] + x
                  4 + 14 = 15 - 9 + x
                  18 = 6 + x
                  18 - 6 = x
                  12 = x

                  However, if you do ignore parenthesis (which is wrong)

                  4 + [( 6 - 9 ) + (8 + 9)] = 15 - [2 + ( 3 - 6 + 8 ) + 2] + x
                  4 + 6 - 9 + 8 + 9 = 15 - 2 + 3 - 6 + 8 + 2 + x
                  18 = 20 + x
                  18 - 20 = x
                  -2 = x

                  My algebra tutor would be horrified :D
                  Don't feel bad Mary, in a simple equation like (2 + 5) - c = 8, parenthesis don't matter, well, they do but they are irrelevant in this case. So I can understand your tendency to say that for an equation where all the operators have the same order of precedence it doesn't matter.

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