C/C++ language proposal: Change the 'case expression' from "integral constant-expression" to "integral expression"

[Adem]

C/C++ language proposal:
Change the 'case expression' from "integral constant-expression" to "integral expression"

The C++ Standard (ISO/IEC 14882, Second edition, 2003-10-15)
says under 6.4.2(2) [see also 5.19]:

case constant-expression :

I propose that the case expression of the switch statement
be changed from "integral constant-expression" to "integral expression".
This opens up many new possibilities since then also function calls
would be permitted in the case expression.
The old case case would continue to function since
it is a subset of the new case case.

Example usage:

//...
int f()
{
//...
return BLA1;
}

int g()
{
//...
return BLA2;
}

int h()
{
//...
return BLA3;
}

int y, x = f();
switch (x)
{
case 123 : y = g(); break;
case g() : y = 456; break; // using new case feature, ie. func-call
case h() : y = 789; break; // ditto
default : y = -1; break;
}

[Lew Pitcher]

Re: C/C++ language proposal: Change the 'case expression' from "integr al constant-expression&quot ; to "integr al expression&quot ;

On October 23, 2008 14:17, in comp.lang.c, Adem (for-usenet-5c@alicewho.com )
wrote:

C/C++ language proposal:
Change the 'case expression' from "integral constant-expression" to
"integral expression"
>
The C++ Standard (ISO/IEC 14882, Second edition, 2003-10-15)
says under 6.4.2(2) [see also 5.19]:

[snip]

Sorry, but your proposal is off-topic for the comp.lang.c newsgroup. I
suspect that it is also off-topic for comp.lang.c++.

As C and C++ are two separate languages, each defined by their own
standards, I suggest that you break your "C/C++" proposal into a "C
proposal" and a separate "C++ proposal", and submit each to their
respective standards bodies.

For C, you /might/ post your proposal to the comp.std.c newsgroup, as that
is the group that discusses the ramifications of and enhancements to the C
language standard.

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[Eric Sosman]

Re: C/C++ language proposal: Change the 'case expression' from "integralc onstant-expression&quot ; to "integr al expression&quot ;

Adem wrote:

C/C++ language proposal:
Change the 'case expression' from "integral constant-expression" to "integral expression"
>
The C++ Standard (ISO/IEC 14882, Second edition, 2003-10-15)
says under 6.4.2(2) [see also 5.19]:
>
case constant-expression :
>
I propose that the case expression of the switch statement
be changed from "integral constant-expression" to "integral expression".

switch (rand()) {
case rand(): puts ("What's"); break;
case rand(): puts ("wrong"); break;
case rand(): puts ("with"); break;
case rand(): puts ("this"); break;
case rand(): puts ("picture?") ; break;
}

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[Keith Thompson]

Re: C/C++ language proposal: Change the 'case expression' from "integr al constant-expression&quot ; to "integr al expression&quot ;

Eric Sosman <Eric.Sosman@su n.comwrites:

Adem wrote:

>C/C++ language proposal: Change the 'case expression' from
>"integral constant-expression" to "integral expression"
>The C++ Standard (ISO/IEC 14882, Second edition, 2003-10-15)
>says under 6.4.2(2) [see also 5.19]:
> case constant-expression : I propose that the case expression
>of the switch statement
>be changed from "integral constant-expression" to "integral expression".

>
switch (rand()) {
case rand(): puts ("What's"); break;
case rand(): puts ("wrong"); break;
case rand(): puts ("with"); break;
case rand(): puts ("this"); break;
case rand(): puts ("picture?") ; break;
}

Well, it *could* be defined to be equivalent to the following:

{
const int __tmp = rand();
if (__tmp == rand() puts("What's");
else if (__tmp == rand() puts("wrong");
else if (__tmp == rand() puts("with");
else if (__tmp == rand() puts("this");
else if (__tmp == rand() puts("picture?" );
}

That's intended to be equivalent code just for this example, not a
definition; other transformations would be required when one case
falls through to the next. And I refuse to think about how this would
affect Duff's Device.

The point of C's switch statement is that it can be implemented
efficiently as a jump table, in contrast to an if/else chain where the
conditions have to be evaluated sequentially.

If you want to do something like a switch statement, but where the
case values aren't constant, you can always just write an if/else
chain. If you want to support this kind of thing in the language, so
that you only have to specify the LHS of the comparison once, I think
I'd prefer to introduce a new construct rather than adding this
functionality to the existing switch/case construct. With this
proposal, changing a single expression from a constant to a
non-constant could have substantial effects on the generated code, and
depending on how it's defined, subtle effects on the code's behavior.

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"We must do something. This is something. Therefore, we must do this."
-- Antony Jay and Jonathan Lynn, "Yes Minister"

[CBFalconer]

Re: C/C++ language proposal: Change the 'case expression' from &quot;integralc onstant-expression&quot ; to &quot;integr al expression&quot ;

Lew Pitcher wrote:

Adem (for-usenet-5c@alicewho.com ) wrote:
>

>C/C++ language proposal:
>Change the 'case expression' from "integral constant-expression"
>to "integral expression"
>>
>The C++ Standard (ISO/IEC 14882, Second edition, 2003-10-15)
>says under 6.4.2(2) [see also 5.19]:

>
[snip]
>
Sorry, but your proposal is off-topic for the comp.lang.c
newsgroup. I suspect that it is also off-topic for comp.lang.c++.
>
As C and C++ are two separate languages, each defined by their
own standards, I suggest that you break your "C/C++" proposal
into a "C proposal" and a separate "C++ proposal", and submit
each to their respective standards bodies.
>
For C, you /might/ post your proposal to the comp.std.c newsgroup,
as that is the group that discusses the ramifications of and
enhancements to the C language standard.

In addition, it is a BAD IDEA. Eliminating the constant provision
prevents making efficient transfer tables. It even prevents
discovering that such tables are feasible (or not).

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[blargg]

Re: C/C++ language proposal: Change the 'case expression' from &quot;integr al constant-expression&quot ; to &quot;integr al expression&quot ;

In article <4900ECB2.94DA1 4F@yahoo.com>, cbfalconer@main eline.net wrote:

Lew Pitcher wrote:

Adem (for-usenet-5c@alicewho.com ) wrote:

C/C++ language proposal:
Change the 'case expression' from "integral constant-expression"
to "integral expression"

[...]

In addition, it is a BAD IDEA. Eliminating the constant provision
prevents making efficient transfer tables. It even prevents
discovering that such tables are feasible (or not).

It doesn't eliminate the privision, it just makes it more difficult. In
effect, optimizing

switch ( f() )
{
case 1: { /* A */ } break;
case 2: { /* B */ } break;
case 3: { /* C */ } break;
case 4: { /* D */ } break;
}

becomes similar optimizing

int const x = f();
if ( x == 1 ) { /* A */ }
else if ( x == 2 ) { /* B */ }
else if ( x == 3 ) { /* C */ }
else if ( x == 4 ) { /* D */ }

since both involve an unchanging value and constant values being compared
to. A compiler could convert both into a jump table or binary search.

[lovecreatesbeauty@gmail.c0m]

Re: C/C++ language proposal: Change the 'case expression' from&quot;integ ral constant-expression&quot ; to &quot;integr al expression&quot ;

On Oct 24, 3:12 am, Keith Thompson <ks...@mib.orgw rote:

Eric Sosman <Eric.Sos...@su n.comwrites:

Adem wrote:

C/C++ language proposal: Change the 'case expression' from
"integral constant-expression" to "integral expression"
The C++ Standard (ISO/IEC 14882, Second edition, 2003-10-15)
says under 6.4.2(2) [see also 5.19]:
case constant-expression : I propose that the case expression
of the switch statement
be changed from "integral constant-expression" to "integral expression".

>

switch (rand()) {
case rand(): puts ("What's"); break;
case rand(): puts ("wrong"); break;
case rand(): puts ("with"); break;
case rand(): puts ("this"); break;
case rand(): puts ("picture?") ; break;
}

Wonderful!

>
Well, it *could* be defined to be equivalent to the following:
>
{
const int __tmp = rand();
if (__tmp == rand() puts("What's");
else if (__tmp == rand() puts("wrong");
else if (__tmp == rand() puts("with");
else if (__tmp == rand() puts("this");
else if (__tmp == rand() puts("picture?" );
>
}
>

If rand() generates equal random numbers frequently, is it meaningful?

[James Kuyper]

Re: C/C++ language proposal: Change the 'case expression' from &quot;integralc onstant-expression&quot ; to &quot;integr al expression&quot ;

lovecreatesbeau ty@gmail.c0m wrote:

On Oct 24, 3:12 am, Keith Thompson <ks...@mib.orgw rote:

....

>Well, it *could* be defined to be equivalent to the following:
>>
>{
> const int __tmp = rand();
> if (__tmp == rand() puts("What's");
> else if (__tmp == rand() puts("wrong");
> else if (__tmp == rand() puts("with");
> else if (__tmp == rand() puts("this");
> else if (__tmp == rand() puts("picture?" );
>>
>}
>>

>
If rand() generates equal random numbers frequently, is it meaningful?

That code neither makes nor implies any assumptions about how frequently
rand() generates random numbers.

[Bartc]

Re: C/C++ language proposal: Change the 'case expression' from &quot;integr al constant-expression&quot ; to &quot;integr al expression&quot ;


"Eric Sosman" <Eric.Sosman@su n.comwrote in message
news:1224788466 .760836@news1nw k...

Adem wrote:

>C/C++ language proposal: Change the 'case expression' from "integral
>constant-expression" to "integral expression"
>>
>The C++ Standard (ISO/IEC 14882, Second edition, 2003-10-15)
>says under 6.4.2(2) [see also 5.19]:
>>
> case constant-expression : I propose that the case expression of
>the switch statement
>be changed from "integral constant-expression" to "integral expression".

>
switch (rand()) {
case rand(): puts ("What's"); break;
case rand(): puts ("wrong"); break;
case rand(): puts ("with"); break;
case rand(): puts ("this"); break;
case rand(): puts ("picture?") ; break;
}

What's wrong with it that you're just injecting garbage. You can use the
same rand() trick with any statement:

for (i=rand(); i<=rand(); i=rand())...

But there's nothing really wrong with the OP's proposal, except it should be
a new statement type to keep the switch semantics clean. Then, it could also
use non-integer types.

C likes it's rather austere syntax however so I doubt this change will ever
be made.

--
Bartc

[anon]

Re: C/C++ language proposal: Change the 'case expression' from &quot;integralc onstant-expression&quot ; to &quot;integr al expression&quot ;

Bartc wrote:

>
"Eric Sosman" <Eric.Sosman@su n.comwrote in message
news:1224788466 .760836@news1nw k...

>Adem wrote:

>>C/C++ language proposal: Change the 'case expression' from "integral
>>constant-expression" to "integral expression"
>>>
>>The C++ Standard (ISO/IEC 14882, Second edition, 2003-10-15)
>>says under 6.4.2(2) [see also 5.19]:
>>>
>> case constant-expression : I propose that the case expression
>>of the switch statement
>>be changed from "integral constant-expression" to "integral expression".

>>
>switch (rand()) {
>case rand(): puts ("What's"); break;
>case rand(): puts ("wrong"); break;
>case rand(): puts ("with"); break;
>case rand(): puts ("this"); break;
>case rand(): puts ("picture?") ; break;
>}

>
What's wrong with it that you're just injecting garbage. You can use the
same rand() trick with any statement:
>
for (i=rand(); i<=rand(); i=rand())...
>
But there's nothing really wrong with the OP's proposal, except it
should be a new statement type to keep the switch semantics clean. Then,
it could also use non-integer types.

There is something wrong. Try to compile this example, and I hope you
figure whats wrong with his proposal :

int main()
{
int a = 3;
switch( a )
{
case 3:
a = 1;
break;
case 3:
a = 2;
break;
case 3:
a = 3;
break;
default:
a = 4;
}
}

[Bartc]

Re: C/C++ language proposal: Change the 'case expression' from &quot;integr al constant-expression&quot ; to &quot;integr al expression&quot ;


"anon" <anon@no.invali dwrote in message
news:gdsjtj$1e4 $1@news01.versa tel.de...

Bartc wrote:

>>
>"Eric Sosman" <Eric.Sosman@su n.comwrote in message
>news:122478846 6.760836@news1n wk...

>>Adem wrote:
>>>C/C++ language proposal: Change the 'case expression' from "integral
>>>constant-expression" to "integral expression"

>But there's nothing really wrong with the OP's proposal, except it should
>be a new statement type to keep the switch semantics clean. Then, it
>could also use non-integer types.

>
There is something wrong. Try to compile this example, and I hope you
figure whats wrong with his proposal :
>
int main()
{
int a = 3;
switch( a )
{
case 3:
a = 1;
break;
case 3:
a = 2;
break;
case 3:
a = 3;
break;
default:
a = 4;
}
}

The OP was talking about /expressions/ for case values. But because normal
switch likes it's values to be unique, I suggested a different statement.
This way duplicate case values can still be picked up instead of being
quietly converted to the new semantics:

a=x=y=z=3;

newswitch (a)
{
case x: ...
case y: ...
case z: ...
...
This would just select the first matching expression. No different from a
series of if/else statements as already noted, but more eloquent.

--
Bartc

[Bo Persson]

Re: C/C++ language proposal: Change the 'case expression' from &quot;integr al constant-expression&quot ; to &quot;integr al expression&quot ;

Bartc wrote:

"anon" <anon@no.invali dwrote in message
news:gdsjtj$1e4 $1@news01.versa tel.de...

>Bartc wrote:

>>>
>>"Eric Sosman" <Eric.Sosman@su n.comwrote in message
>>news:12247884 66.760836@news1 nwk...
>>>Adem wrote:
>>>>C/C++ language proposal: Change the 'case expression' from
>>>>"integral constant-expression" to "integral expression"

>

>>But there's nothing really wrong with the OP's proposal, except
>>it should be a new statement type to keep the switch semantics
>>clean. Then, it could also use non-integer types.

>>
>There is something wrong. Try to compile this example, and I hope
>you figure whats wrong with his proposal :
>>
>int main()
>{
> int a = 3;
> switch( a )
> {
> case 3:
> a = 1;
> break;
> case 3:
> a = 2;
> break;
> case 3:
> a = 3;
> break;
> default:
> a = 4;
> }
>}

>
The OP was talking about /expressions/ for case values. But because
normal switch likes it's values to be unique, I suggested a
different statement. This way duplicate case values can still be
picked up instead of being quietly converted to the new semantics:
>
a=x=y=z=3;
>
newswitch (a)
{
case x: ...
case y: ...
case z: ...
...
This would just select the first matching expression. No different
from a series of if/else statements as already noted, but more
eloquent.

Yes, it would work, just as it does for COBOL's EVALUATE statement - a
multiway if-statement

http://www.fluffycat.com/COBOL/Evaluate/

Wanna be more like COBOL? :-)


Bo Persson

[lovecreatesbeauty@gmail.c0m]

Re: C/C++ language proposal: Change the 'case expression' from&quot;integ ral constant-expression&quot ; to &quot;integr al expression&quot ;

On Oct 24, 7:59 pm, "Bartc" <b...@freeuk.co mwrote:

"Eric Sosman" <Eric.Sos...@su n.comwrote in message

Adem wrote:

The C++ Standard (ISO/IEC 14882, Second edition, 2003-10-15)
says under 6.4.2(2) [see also 5.19]:
case constant-expression : I propose that the case expression of
the switch statement
be changed from "integral constant-expression" to "integral expression".

switch (rand()) {
case rand(): puts ("What's"); break;
case rand(): puts ("wrong"); break;
case rand(): puts ("with"); break;
case rand(): puts ("this"); break;
case rand(): puts ("picture?") ; break;
}

What's wrong with it that you're just injecting garbage. You can use the
same rand() trick with any statement:
>
for (i=rand(); i<=rand(); i=rand())...

The statements following each case lable in a switch are intended to
be diffrent, while the body of for statement is the same for each
loop. Eric's trick illustrates that how bad an idean could that
proposal be.

[Keith Thompson]

Re: C/C++ language proposal: Change the 'case expression' from &quot;integr al constant-expression&quot ; to &quot;integr al expression&quot ;

"lovecreatesbea uty@gmail.c0m" <lovecreatesbea uty@gmail.comwr ites:

On Oct 24, 7:59 pm, "Bartc" <b...@freeuk.co mwrote:

>"Eric Sosman" <Eric.Sos...@su n.comwrote in message

Adem wrote:
>The C++ Standard (ISO/IEC 14882, Second edition, 2003-10-15)
>says under 6.4.2(2) [see also 5.19]:
> case constant-expression : I propose that the case expression of
>the switch statement
>be changed from "integral constant-expression" to "integral expression".
switch (rand()) {
case rand(): puts ("What's"); break;
case rand(): puts ("wrong"); break;
case rand(): puts ("with"); break;
case rand(): puts ("this"); break;
case rand(): puts ("picture?") ; break;
}

>What's wrong with it that you're just injecting garbage. You can use the
>same rand() trick with any statement:
>>
>for (i=rand(); i<=rand(); i=rand())...

>
The statements following each case lable in a switch are intended to
be diffrent, while the body of for statement is the same for each
loop. Eric's trick illustrates that how bad an idean could that
proposal be.

The expressions (not statements) are intended (required, in fact) to
be integer constant expressions. The proposal is to change that
requirement. It's moderately obvious that the requirement that no two
of the case expressions would also have to be relaxed, since it's not
possible in general to determine at compilation time whether two
non-constant expressions have the same value.

Defining consistent semantics for a modified switch statement is not
all that difficult. Presumably existing switch statements would have
to behave as they do now. Beyond that, there are several possible
ways to define the semantics and constraints for switch statements
that are currently invalid.

Eric's example demonstrates the need to define the semantics of this
proposed new feature. I don't think it demonstrates, by itself, that
it's a bad idea. If non-constant switch expressions were allowed, it
would be possible to write perfectly sensible code using the new
feature. It would also, as Eric demonstrated, be possible to write
very silly code using the new feature -- or using any of the
language's existing features.

I do agree that the proposed feature is a bad idea, but not because of
Eric's example. I think it's a bad idea because it would have to
define new semantics for an existing construct. Currently, if you
accidentally use a non-constant case expression, the compiler will
diagnose it as an error (and probably reject your program). Under the
proposal, the code would be valid, and would likely behave in a subtly
wrong manner and/or with poor performance. Evaluating the switch
expression and branching to the right case label is typically an O(1)
operation, if the compiler is able to generate a jump table. Add a
single non-constant expression, and it becomes O(N), where N is the
number of cases.

I wouldn't object as strongly to a new feature, with a distinct
syntax, that implements the proposed functionality, but I'd still
oppose it -- not because it's an inherently bad idea, but because the
benefit is IMHO outweighed by the cost of adding a new feature to the
language. There's nothing you could do with the proposed new feature
that you can't already do fairly straightforward ly using existing
features, namely an if/else chain and, if the switch expression is
complicated or has side effects, a temporary variable.

--
Keith Thompson (The_Other_Keit h) kst-u@mib.org <http://www.ghoti.net/~kst>
Nokia
"We must do something. This is something. Therefore, we must do this."
-- Antony Jay and Jonathan Lynn, "Yes Minister"

[CBFalconer]

Re: C/C++ language proposal: Change the 'case expression' from&quot;integ ralconstant-expression&quot ; to &quot;integr al expression&quot ;

anon wrote:

>

.... snip ...

>
There is something wrong. Try to compile this example, and I hope
you figure whats wrong with his proposal :
>
int main()
{
int a = 3;
switch( a )
{
case 3:
a = 1;
break;
case 3:
a = 2;
break;
case 3:
a = 3;
break;
default:
a = 4;
}
}

Your code works better if it is made legal:

int main(void) {
int a = 3;

switch( a ) {
case 3: a = 1;
break;
case 2: a = 2;
break;
case 1: a = 3;
break;
default: a = 4;
}
return 0;
}

Also, cross posting to c.l.c++ is not cool.


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