Two dimentional array dereference in C

[Srinu]

Hi All,

We know the following facts,

1. A two dimentional arrays in C is stored similar to a single
dimentional array.
2. * is the dereference operator that gives value at address denoted
by the operand to this operator. i.e *p is the value at address given
by p.
3. In case of two dimentional array a[][], a+1 refers to the second
row, and a+3 refers to the fourth row.
4. *(derefernce) operator has higher precedence that + operator.

So lets look at the following program...

1 #include<stdio. h>
2 int main()
3 {
4 int p[5][5];
5 p[0][0]=4;
6 p[2][0]=5;
7 p[2][3]=6;
8 printf("\n%d", *(*(p+2)+3));
9 printf("\n%d", *(*(p+2)));
10 printf("\n%d", *(*p+0));
11 }


Out put of this program compiled in gcc 3.4.2 is

6
5
4

Discussion on line number 8 :
-------------------------------------------
In expression *(*(p+2)+3)), p is the base address and points to p[0]
[0]; according to fact 3, (p+2) refers to third rowof p, i.e. p[2][0].
According to fact 2, * operator on this should give the value at
address denoted by p[2][0], so *(p+2) should be 5; then again +3, that
is, total is 8 and the first * on this...so it should not give the
appropriate result.

But it gives !

So, what is that second * in the expression *(*(p+2)+3)) doing?
Does the meaning of this second * is "value at..." or something else?

[The other two lines numbered 9, 10 in the program is just for
reference]

With regards.
Srinu

[Dimuthu]

Re: Two dimentional array dereference in C

On Nov 19, 12:01 pm, Srinu <sinu.nayak2... @gmail.comwrote :

Hi All,
>
We know the following facts,
>
1. A two dimentional arrays in C is stored similar to a single
dimentional array.
2. * is the dereference operator that gives value at address denoted
by the operand to this operator. i.e *p is the value at address given
by p.
3. In case of two dimentional array a[][], a+1 refers to the second
row, and a+3 refers to the fourth row.
4. *(derefernce) operator has higher precedence that + operator.
>
So lets look at the following program...
>
1 #include<stdio. h>
2 int main()
3 {
4 int p[5][5];
5 p[0][0]=4;
6 p[2][0]=5;
7 p[2][3]=6;
8 printf("\n%d", *(*(p+2)+3));
9 printf("\n%d", *(*(p+2)));
10 printf("\n%d", *(*p+0));
11 }
>
Out put of this program compiled in gcc 3.4.2 is
>
6
5
4
>
Discussion on line number 8 :
-------------------------------------------
In expression *(*(p+2)+3)), p is the base address and points to p[0]
[0]; according to fact 3, (p+2) refers to third rowof p, i.e. p[2][0].
According to fact 2, * operator on this should give the value at
address denoted by p[2][0], so *(p+2) should be 5; then again +3, that
is, total is 8 and the first * on this...so it should not give the
appropriate result.
>
But it gives !
>
So, what is that second * in the expression *(*(p+2)+3)) doing?
Does the meaning of this second * is "value at..." or something else?
>
[The other two lines numbered 9, 10 in the program is just for
reference]
>
With regards.
Srinu

Hi Srinu,

Did you check what are the values of the memory pointers, I check it
with gdb and it was like following.
For clarity I m showing only the last two digits

p 0x00

*p 0x00
*p+1 0x04
*p+2 0x08
*p+3 0x0c
*p+4 0xa0

p+1 0xa4 ( == *p +5 )

*(p+1) 0xa4
*(p+1)+1 0xa8
*(p+1)+2 0xac
*(p+1)+3 0xb0
*(p+1)+4 0xb4

p+2 0xb8

*(p+2) 0xb8
*(p+2)+1 0xbc
*(p+2)+2 0xc0
*(p+2)+3 0xc4
*(p+2)+4 0xc8
and so on.


So as you said the 2-D array is stored as a 1-D array in the memory
space. But the fact is when it is accessing through referencing it
shows the following behaviors.

when we say (p + 1), actually we are increasing the p memory pointer
with (5 * sizeof(int)) , that is the compiler keeps p as a pointer of
2-D array.

when we say (*p +1), actually we are increasing *p by sizeof(int),
that is *p is like a pointer of 1-D array.

and p, p+1, p +2, .. p+4 points to the value which is same as their
address,
i.e. *p == p and *(p+1) == (p+1) like that.

but *p = p here doesn't imply **p = *p, because here **p = p[0][0],

I think this is a trick whenever you want to access p[x][y] from p
which is declared as int p[n][m] the following operation.

*(*(p+x)+y) works.

And whenever i want to allocate 2-D array dynamically,
I can declare the memeory space like in the following, (Here memory is
not a 1-D array)

int **p = (int**)malloc(s izeof(int*)*n);
int i;
for(i = 0; i < n; i ++)
{
p[i] = (int*)malloc(si zeof(int)*m);
}

Still I can use p[x][y] to access the exact content, because it is
interpreted as *(*(p+x)+y).


So I think the behavior you were talking about is a hack in c. If
there is some better logical explanation to this, Please correct me.


Thanks
Dimuthu

[James Kuyper]

Re: Two dimentional array dereference in C

Srinu wrote:

Hi All,
>
We know the following facts,
>
1. A two dimentional arrays in C is stored similar to a single
dimentional array.
2. * is the dereference operator that gives value at address denoted
by the operand to this operator. i.e *p is the value at address given
by p.
3. In case of two dimentional array a[][], a+1 refers to the second
row, and a+3 refers to the fourth row.
4. *(derefernce) operator has higher precedence that + operator.
>
So lets look at the following program...
>
1 #include<stdio. h>
2 int main()
3 {
4 int p[5][5];
5 p[0][0]=4;
6 p[2][0]=5;
7 p[2][3]=6;
8 printf("\n%d", *(*(p+2)+3));

*(p+2) means exactly the same thing as p[2]. *(p[2]+3) means exactly the
same thing as p[2][3]. Therefore, this should print out 6.

9 printf("\n%d", *(*(p+2)));

Same as p[2][0]

10 printf("\n%d", *(*p+0));

Same as p[0][0]

11 }
>
>
Out put of this program compiled in gcc 3.4.2 is
>
6
5
4

Exactly as expected.

>
Discussion on line number 8 :
-------------------------------------------
In expression *(*(p+2)+3)), p is the base address and points to p[0]
[0]; according to fact 3, (p+2) refers to third rowof p, i.e. p[2][0].

One of the subtle details about C is the fact that it doesn't really
have multi-dimensional arrays. What it has is one-dimensional arrays
whose element type can also be an array. The array p contains 5 elements
(not 25). Each of those elements is itself an array of 5 ints. That
distinction may seem like sheer pedanticism, but understanding it is
essential to understanding some features of C, as your question
demonstrates.

In this context, as in many others, an array decays into a pointer to
it's own first element, which is p[0], an array containing 5 ints.
Therefore, p+2 points at p[2], another array containing 5 ints.

According to fact 2, * operator on this should give the value at
address denoted by p[2][0], so *(p+2) should be 5; then again +3, that

When you apply the dereferencing operator '*' to a pointer, you get a
value of the type that is pointed at. p+2 has the type "pointer to an
array of 5 ints". Therefore, when you dereference it, you don't get an
int, you get an array of 5 ints. In this context, that array decays into
a pointer to it's first element, which is p[2][0]. Therefore, when you
add 3 to it, you get a pointer to it's fourth element, p[2][3].
Dereferencing that pointer gives the value you stored in that location,
which was 6.

is, total is 8 and the first * on this...so it should not give the

If you had been correct, the number 8 would not have been something you
could safely apply the * operator to.

appropriate result.
>
But it gives !
>
So, what is that second * in the expression *(*(p+2)+3)) doing?
Does the meaning of this second * is "value at..." or something else?

Yes, it means the value at the location pointed at by it's right
operand, in this case *(p+2)+3. That expression points at p[2][3], so
*(*(p+2)+3) is p[2][3].

[Chris Torek]

Re: Two dimentional array dereference in C

In article <718509c3-4627-4cd0-bab1-ae84d48562a5@s6 g2000prc.google groups.com>
Srinu <sinu.nayak2001 @gmail.comwrote :
[snippage]

4 int p[5][5];

[snippage]

8 printf("\n%d", *(*(p+2)+3));
>Discussion on line number 8 :
>-------------------------------------------
>In expression *(*(p+2)+3)), p is the base address

Yes ...

>and points to p[0][0];

Sort of, but not quite. The "value" of p (p when converted from
lvalue, or "object", to value) is a pointer value, pointing to the
first element of the array "p", i.e., the entire first row. In
that sense, "the value of p" points not to p[0][0] alone, but rather
to *five* "int"s p[0][0], p[0][1], p[0][2], p[0][3], and p[0][4],
all simultaneously. See also <http://web.torek.net/torek/c/pa.html>.

>according to fact 3, (p+2) refers to third rowof p, i.e. p[2][0].

Here, p+2 is definitely a value, not an object, so we need not
worry about the distinction between objects ("lvalues") and values.

Again, it refers to the *entire* row -- not *just* p[2][0], but
rather all five array elements p[2][0] through p[2][4] inclusive.
It is only once you follow this pointer value to the entire array, then
convert this array to a value, that it stops referring to the entire
row, and starts referring only to the single int p[2][0].
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[Barry Schwarz]

Re: Two dimentional array dereference in C

On Sun, 18 Nov 2007 23:01:48 -0800 (PST), Srinu
<sinu.nayak2001 @gmail.comwrote :

>Hi All,
>
>We know the following facts,
>
>1. A two dimentional arrays in C is stored similar to a single
>dimentional array.

For some meaning of the word similar.

>2. * is the dereference operator that gives value at address denoted
>by the operand to this operator. i.e *p is the value at address given
>by p.

Sometimes the value is an aggregate.

>3. In case of two dimentional array a[][], a+1 refers to the second
>row, and a+3 refers to the fourth row.

For some meaning of refers.

>4. *(derefernce) operator has higher precedence that + operator.
>
>So lets look at the following program...
>
1 #include<stdio. h>
2 int main()
3 {
4 int p[5][5];
5 p[0][0]=4;
6 p[2][0]=5;
7 p[2][3]=6;
8 printf("\n%d", *(*(p+2)+3));
9 printf("\n%d", *(*(p+2)));
10 printf("\n%d", *(*p+0));
11 }
>
>
>Out put of this program compiled in gcc 3.4.2 is
>
>6
>5
>4
>
>Discussion on line number 8 :
>-------------------------------------------
>In expression *(*(p+2)+3)), p is the base address and points to p[0]

p is an array. It is not an address nor is it a pointer.

>[0]; according to fact 3, (p+2) refers to third rowof p, i.e. p[2][0].

Except for three conditions which don't apply, an expression with
array type is converted to the address of the first element with type
pointer to element type. In this case p converts to the address of
p[0] with type pointer to array of 5 int. This happens to be the same
address as &p[0][0] but a completely different type.

p+2 points to the third row. *(p+2) IS the third row. *(p+2)+3
points to the fourth element of that row. *(*(p+2)+3) is that
element.

>According to fact 2, * operator on this should give the value at
>address denoted by p[2][0], so *(p+2) should be 5; then again +3, that

No! According to fact 2, *(p+2) should evaluate to the entire array
p[2]. In fact, there is a statement in the standard that says p[i] is
identical to *(p+i) (which is also identical to *(i+p) which is in
turn identical to i[p]).

>is, total is 8 and the first * on this...so it should not give the

No, the +3 merely moves you along to the address of the fourth element
in p[2].

>appropriate result.
>
>But it gives !
>
>So, what is that second * in the expression *(*(p+2)+3)) doing?

Each asterisk in the expression means exactly the same thing each
time, namely evaluate to the object pointed to.

>Does the meaning of this second * is "value at..." or something else?
>
>[The other two lines numbered 9, 10 in the program is just for
>reference]

Remove del for email

[somenath]

Re: Two dimentional array dereference in C

On Nov 20, 4:15 am, Chris Torek <nos...@torek.n etwrote:

In article <718509c3-4627-4cd0-bab1-ae84d4856...@s6 g2000prc.google groups.com>Srin u <sinu.nayak2... @gmail.comwrote :
>
[snippage]
>

4 int p[5][5];

[snippage]

8 printf("\n%d", *(*(p+2)+3));
Discussion on line number 8 :
-------------------------------------------
In expression *(*(p+2)+3)), p is the base address

>
Yes ...
>

and points to p[0][0];

>
Sort of, but not quite. The "value" of p (p when converted from
lvalue, or "object", to value) is a pointer value, pointing to the
first element of the array "p", i.e., the entire first row. In
that sense, "the value of p" points not to p[0][0] alone, but rather
to *five* "int"s p[0][0], p[0][1], p[0][2], p[0][3], and p[0][4],
all simultaneously. See also <http://web.torek.net/torek/c/pa.html>.
>

according to fact 3, (p+2) refers to third rowof p, i.e. p[2][0].

>
Here, p+2 is definitely a value, not an object, so we need not
worry about the distinction between objects ("lvalues") and values.
>
Again, it refers to the *entire* row -- not *just* p[2][0], but
rather all five array elements p[2][0] through p[2][4] inclusive.
It is only once you follow this pointer value to the entire array, then
convert this array to a value, that it stops referring to the entire
row, and starts referring only to the single int p[2][0].
--
>

I am just getting confused here.
If p points to all the 5 element of the first row why the sizeof(p) is
100 ?
Where sizeof(int) is 4 ?
And sizeof(p+2) is equal to 4 ?

Please look at the program bellow

#include<stdio. h>
int main(void)
{
int p[5][5];
printf("\n size of p = %d \n",(int)sizeof (p ));
printf("\n sizeof p+2 = %d \n",(int)sizeof (p + 2 ));
return 0;
}
Output is


size of p = 100

sizeof p+2 = 4
If p points to the first row will it size not be 5*sizeof(int) ?

[Ben Bacarisse]

Re: Two dimentional array dereference in C

somenath <somenathpal@gm ail.comwrites:

On Nov 20, 4:15 am, Chris Torek <nos...@torek.n etwrote:

>In article <718509c3-4627-4cd0-bab1-ae84d4856...@s6 g2000prc.google groups.com>Srin u <sinu.nayak2... @gmail.comwrote :
>>
>[snippage]
>>

4 int p[5][5];

<snip>

>Sort of, but not quite. The "value" of p (p when converted from
>lvalue, or "object", to value) is a pointer value, pointing to the
>first element of the array "p", i.e., the entire first row. In
>that sense, "the value of p" points not to p[0][0] alone, but rather
>to *five* "int"s p[0][0], p[0][1], p[0][2], p[0][3], and p[0][4],
>all simultaneously. See also <http://web.torek.net/torek/c/pa.html>.
>>

>according to fact 3, (p+2) refers to third rowof p, i.e. p[2][0].

>>
>Here, p+2 is definitely a value, not an object, so we need not
>worry about the distinction between objects ("lvalues") and values.
>>
>Again, it refers to the *entire* row -- not *just* p[2][0], but
>rather all five array elements p[2][0] through p[2][4] inclusive.
>It is only once you follow this pointer value to the entire array, then
>convert this array to a value, that it stops referring to the entire
>row, and starts referring only to the single int p[2][0].

>
I am just getting confused here.
If p points to all the 5 element of the first row why the sizeof(p) is
100 ?
Where sizeof(int) is 4 ?
And sizeof(p+2) is equal to 4 ?

6.3.2.1 p3:

Except when it is the operand of the sizeof operator or the unary &
operator, or is a string literal used to initialize an array, an
expression that has type ‘‘array of type’’ is converted to an
expression with type ‘‘pointer to type’’ that points to the initial
element of the array object and is not an lvalue.

>
Please look at the program bellow
>
#include<stdio. h>
int main(void)
{
int p[5][5];
printf("\n size of p = %d \n",(int)sizeof (p ));
printf("\n sizeof p+2 = %d \n",(int)sizeof (p + 2 ));
return 0;
}
Output is
>
>
size of p = 100
>
sizeof p+2 = 4

'sizeof p' gives the size of the array 'p' -- the conversion to
pointer does not happen when the expression is the operand of sizeof.

The expression 'p + 2' first involves converting p to a pointer to an
array of 5 ints. Adding 2 has no effect on the type -- the type of
the expression 'p + 2' is still a pointer type not an array type.
Applying sizeof has no special effect here -- the operand does not
have an array type.

--
Ben.

[James Kuyper]

Re: Two dimentional array dereference in C

somenath wrote:
....

I am just getting confused here.
If p points to all the 5 element of the first row why the sizeof(p) is
100 ?

6.3.2.1p3:
"Except when it is the operand of the sizeof operator or the unary &
operator, or is a string literal used to initialize an array, an
expression that has type ‘‘array of type’’ is converted to an expression
with type ‘‘pointer to type’’ that points to the initial element of
the array object and is not an lvalue."

This conversion is commonly referred to as "decaying". It doesn't happen
in sizeof(p), but it does happen in p[2] and in *(p+2), both of which
mean exactly the same thing.

Where sizeof(int) is 4 ?
And sizeof(p+2) is equal to 4 ?

As indicated above, in an additive expression like p+2, p decays to a
pointer type. This is not covered by the exception for the sizeof
operator mentioned above, because that exception only applies when the
operand of sizeof has an array type. The operand is p+2, not p, and p+2
has a pointer type.

[Chris Torek]

Re: Two dimentional array dereference in C

[We are given an array object named "p" -- which is not the best
name for an array, but never mind that :-) -- where p has type
(int [5][5]).]

>On Nov 20, 4:15 am, Chris Torek <nos...@torek.n etwrote:

>>... The "value" of p (p when converted from lvalue, or "object",

>to value) is a pointer value, pointing to the first element of the

>>array "p", i.e., the entire first row. ...

In article <713e5f01-4df9-4667-8e87-83367641bb4e@d4 g2000prg.google groups.com>
somenath <somenathpal@gm ail.comwrote:

>I am just getting confused here.
>If p points to all the 5 element of the first row why the sizeof(p) is
>100 ?

The sizeof operator suppresses object-to-value conversion.

In *most*, but definitely NOT all, contexts, an object of type
"array N of T" becomes a value of type "pointer to T", where N
is the size of the array and T is the type of the array elements.
In this case, N is 5, and T is (int [5]), or "array 5 of int".

The sizeof operator is one of those exceptions. The unary "&"
(address-of) operator is another. In both cases, applying these
operators to an array leaves the array as an array, and finds the
size of the array, or the address of the array, respectively.

The size of the array "p" is the size of 5 arrays of 5 arrays of
"int". If sizeof(int) == 4:

>Where sizeof(int) is 4 ?

then (sizeof p) is 100 (5 * 5 * 4).

>And sizeof(p+2) is equal to 4 ?

In this case, the operand of sizeof is p+2 -- not p -- so the
binary "+" operator gets the first crack at things. The binary
+ operator is one of the usual cases (remember, sizeof is one of
the UN-usual cases), so that we go from array object to pointer
value. Here we get the "value" of p, via The Rule about arrays
and pointers in C, so we have a pointer to the entire first row
of the array "p" (i.e., all of p[0]). The binary + operator moves
forward two rows, giving a pointer of type "int (*)[5]", pointing
to the third row of the array "p" (i.e., all of p[2]).

The sizeof operator thus has, as its operand, a value of type
"pointer to array 5 of int" (int (*)[5]); the size of such a pointer
is up to the compiler and/or machine, and in your case, is 4. (On
some machines this pointer has size 2 or 8; on a few, it even has
size 1. For instance, some DSP C compilers have 32-bit "C bytes".)

For additional illustration and/or confusion, try:

sizeof (&p)
sizeof (int (*)[5][5]) /* same as sizeof &p */

sizeof (int [5][5]) /* same as sizeof p */

sizeof (int (*)[5]) /* same as sizeof (p+0) or sizeof (p+i) */

sizeof (p[0])
sizeof (*p) /* same as sizeof p[0] */
sizeof (int [5]) /* same as sizeof p[0] */

The binding of the various operators is such that you can write
"sizeof &p" or "sizeof p[0]" without parentheses; however, note
that "sizeof (p + 0)" differs from "sizeof p + 0" because the
latter parses the same as "(sizeof p) + 0".

All of this makes more sense mentally, at least to me, if you
rewrite all your use of "p" (and this article) to use the name
"arr" instead.
--
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Salt Lake City, UT, USA (40°39.22'N, 111°50.29'W) +1 801 277 2603
email: forget about it http://web.torek.net/torek/index.html
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[Barry Schwarz]

Re: Two dimentional array dereference in C

On Tue, 20 Nov 2007 00:50:39 -0800 (PST), somenath
<somenathpal@gm ail.comwrote:

>On Nov 20, 4:15 am, Chris Torek <nos...@torek.n etwrote:

>In article <718509c3-4627-4cd0-bab1-ae84d4856...@s6 g2000prc.google groups.com>Srin u <sinu.nayak2... @gmail.comwrote :
>>
>[snippage]
>>

4 int p[5][5];

>[snippage]

8 printf("\n%d", *(*(p+2)+3));
>Discussion on line number 8 :
>-------------------------------------------
>In expression *(*(p+2)+3)), p is the base address

>>
>Yes ...
>>

>and points to p[0][0];

>>
>Sort of, but not quite. The "value" of p (p when converted from
>lvalue, or "object", to value) is a pointer value, pointing to the
>first element of the array "p", i.e., the entire first row. In
>that sense, "the value of p" points not to p[0][0] alone, but rather
>to *five* "int"s p[0][0], p[0][1], p[0][2], p[0][3], and p[0][4],
>all simultaneously. See also <http://web.torek.net/torek/c/pa.html>.
>>

>according to fact 3, (p+2) refers to third rowof p, i.e. p[2][0].

>>
>Here, p+2 is definitely a value, not an object, so we need not
>worry about the distinction between objects ("lvalues") and values.
>>
>Again, it refers to the *entire* row -- not *just* p[2][0], but
>rather all five array elements p[2][0] through p[2][4] inclusive.
>It is only once you follow this pointer value to the entire array, then
>convert this array to a value, that it stops referring to the entire
>row, and starts referring only to the single int p[2][0].
>--
>>

>
>I am just getting confused here.

The confusion is between the object p and the expression p.

>If p points to all the 5 element of the first row why the sizeof(p) is
>100 ?

There are three exceptions where an expression of type array is not
converted to pointer to the first element of the array. One of them
is when it is the operand of the sizeof operator. Therefore, sizeof p
refers to the entire array which has 5 elements, each of which
contains 5 int. Since sizeof(int) is 4, you get 100 for the 25 int
involved.

But the expression p, when not covered by an exception, is converted
to &p[0]. This is the address of the entire array of 5 int. As
usual, the address refers only to the first byte of the array but
sizeof p[0] is 20 in this example for the same reason described above.

>Where sizeof(int) is 4 ?
>And sizeof(p+2) is equal to 4 ?

Your compiler is interpreting p+2 is a pointer expression and sizeof
is evaluating the size of the pointer.

>
>Please look at the program bellow
>
>#include<stdio .h>
>int main(void)
>{
int p[5][5];
printf("\n size of p = %d \n",(int)sizeof (p ));
printf("\n sizeof p+2 = %d \n",(int)sizeof (p + 2 ));
return 0;
>}
>Output is
>
>
size of p = 100
>
sizeof p+2 = 4
>If p points to the first row will it size not be 5*sizeof(int) ?

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