question about code style specifically variable declaration using _ prefix

[gara.matt@gmail.com]

Hi,

I was wondering, I've been reading some C++ code written by others,
usually libraries and stuff, and I've come across what strikes me as a
distinctive style that pervades most of the code I've been reading.
What I'm talking about is that some variables are declared with a "_"
prefix while others lack it. For example you may find a variable and
even functions like

int _temp

and one like

int temp

>From a Java perspective, this style is quite new to me, seeing as the

Java compiler does not accept variables of the aforementioned type. I
have, however, seen this used also in C, but not to the same degree,
and I have ignored it. But it has come to a point where I see it so
much that I think it carries some kind of significance such that if I
understood then I could grasp code quicker.

Explain away, or BS away, I'm willing to listen.

Thanks,

Matt

[Ian Collins]

Re: question about code style specifically variable declaration using_ prefix

gara.matt@gmail .com wrote:

Hi,
>
I was wondering, I've been reading some C++ code written by others,
usually libraries and stuff, and I've come across what strikes me as a
distinctive style that pervades most of the code I've been reading.
What I'm talking about is that some variables are declared with a "_"
prefix while others lack it. For example you may find a variable and
even functions like
>
int _temp
>
and one like
>
int temp
>

Names with either a leading underscore followed by a capital letter or
two leading underscores are reserved for the implementation. That's why
you are seeing them in libraries.

It's common practice to avoid all names with a single leading underscore
in application code.

--
Ian Collins.

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Re: question about code style specifically variable declaration using_ prefix

On 2007-07-20 10:41, Robert Bauck Hamar wrote:

Erik Wikström wrote:
>

>On 2007-07-20 09:59, gara.matt@gmail .com wrote:

>>Hi,
>>>
>>I was wondering, I've been reading some C++ code written by others,
>>usually libraries and stuff, and I've come across what strikes me as a
>>distinctive style that pervades most of the code I've been reading.
>>What I'm talking about is that some variables are declared with a "_"
>>prefix while others lack it. For example you may find a variable and
>>even functions like
>>>
>>int _temp
>>>
>>and one like
>>>
>>int temp
>>>
>>>>From a Java perspective, this style is quite new to me, seeing as the
>>Java compiler does not accept variables of the aforementioned type. I
>>have, however, seen this used also in C, but not to the same degree,
>>and I have ignored it. But it has come to a point where I see it so
>>much that I think it carries some kind of significance such that if I
>>understood then I could grasp code quicker.
>>>
>>Explain away, or BS away, I'm willing to listen.

>>
>If you have read code mostly from libraries, and especially system
>libraries, this is understandable and could be considered good (or not)
>but if they are not system libraries it's probably not a good idea. The
>C++ standard specifies that all names beginning with __ (two
>underscores) are reserved for the implementation, this means that if you
>write an applications you should *never ever* use names that starts with
>two underscores.

>
Any name _containing_ two sequential underscores are reserved to the
implementation. It may be at the beginning, but also in the middle or at
the end. It doesn't really matter if it is in a nested namespace either.

Oh, you're right. Lucky that I've never used it (not that I can thing of
any situation where putting two underscore in a name might seem like a
good idea).

--
Erik Wikström

[John Harrison]

Re: question about code style specifically variable declaration using_ prefix

gara.matt@gmail .com wrote:

Hi,
>
I was wondering, I've been reading some C++ code written by others,
usually libraries and stuff, and I've come across what strikes me as a
distinctive style that pervades most of the code I've been reading.
What I'm talking about is that some variables are declared with a "_"
prefix while others lack it. For example you may find a variable and
even functions like
>
int _temp
>
and one like
>
int temp
>

>>From a Java perspective, this style is quite new to me, seeing as the

Java compiler does not accept variables of the aforementioned type. I
have, however, seen this used also in C, but not to the same degree,
and I have ignored it. But it has come to a point where I see it so
much that I think it carries some kind of significance such that if I
understood then I could grasp code quicker.
>
Explain away, or BS away, I'm willing to listen.
>
Thanks,
>
Matt
>

I use that style to indicate member variables. I think it's commonly
accepted that it's good to distinguish member variables from others
(even in Java) but I'm often criticised here for my particular way of
doing it. I don't care, it's correct and I like it.

John

[Bo Persson]

Re: question about code style specifically variable declaration using _ prefix

John Harrison wrote:
:: gara.matt@gmail .com wrote:
::: Hi,
:::
::: I was wondering, I've been reading some C++ code written by
::: others, usually libraries and stuff, and I've come across what
::: strikes me as a distinctive style that pervades most of the code
::: I've been reading. What I'm talking about is that some variables
::: are declared with a "_" prefix while others lack it. For example
::: you may find a variable and even functions like
:::
::: int _temp
:::
::: and one like
:::
::: int temp
:::
:::: From a Java perspective, this style is quite new to me, seeing
:::: as the
::: Java compiler does not accept variables of the aforementioned
::: type. I have, however, seen this used also in C, but not to the
::: same degree, and I have ignored it. But it has come to a point
::: where I see it so much that I think it carries some kind of
::: significance such that if I understood then I could grasp code
::: quicker.
:::
::: Explain away, or BS away, I'm willing to listen.
:::
::: Thanks,
:::
::: Matt
:::
::
:: I use that style to indicate member variables. I think it's
:: commonly accepted that it's good to distinguish member variables
:: from others (even in Java) but I'm often criticised here for my
:: particular way of doing it. I don't care, it's correct and I like
:: it.

I guess the criticism is that, although correct, a leading underscore
indicates that a name is now *either* a member variable, or a global
implementation-specific name, or possibly both.

I understand that some of your colleagues can be a bit confused by
this. :-)


Bo Persson

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Re: question about code style specifically variable declaration using_ prefix

On 2007-07-21 13:01, Bo Persson wrote:

John Harrison wrote:
:: gara.matt@gmail .com wrote:
::: Hi,
:::
::: I was wondering, I've been reading some C++ code written by
::: others, usually libraries and stuff, and I've come across what
::: strikes me as a distinctive style that pervades most of the code
::: I've been reading. What I'm talking about is that some variables
::: are declared with a "_" prefix while others lack it. For example
::: you may find a variable and even functions like
:::
::: int _temp
:::
::: and one like
:::
::: int temp
:::
:::: From a Java perspective, this style is quite new to me, seeing
:::: as the
::: Java compiler does not accept variables of the aforementioned
::: type. I have, however, seen this used also in C, but not to the
::: same degree, and I have ignored it. But it has come to a point
::: where I see it so much that I think it carries some kind of
::: significance such that if I understood then I could grasp code
::: quicker.
:::
::: Explain away, or BS away, I'm willing to listen.
:::
::: Thanks,
:::
::: Matt
:::
::
:: I use that style to indicate member variables. I think it's
:: commonly accepted that it's good to distinguish member variables
:: from others (even in Java) but I'm often criticised here for my
:: particular way of doing it. I don't care, it's correct and I like
:: it.
>
I guess the criticism is that, although correct, a leading underscore
indicates that a name is now *either* a member variable, or a global
implementation-specific name, or possibly both.

And the risk that someday a less knowledgeable programmer will come and
make a change to your code and follow your style but uses a capital
letter as first letter. One of the main reasons it'd discouraged is
probably to prevent people who don't know better from screwing up in
hard-to-debug ways.

--
Erik Wikström

[James Kanze]

Re: question about code style specifically variable declaration using _ prefix

On Jul 21, 1>01 pm, "Bo Persson" <b...@gmb.dkwro te>

John Harrison wrote>

gara.m...@gmail .com wrote>

>I was wondering, I've been reading some C++ code written by
>others, usually libraries and stuff, and I've come across what
>strikes me as a distinctive style that pervades most of the code
>I've been reading. What I'm talking about is that some variables
>are declared with a "_" prefix while others lack it. For example
>you may find a variable and even functions like

>int _temp

>and one like

>int temp

>From a Java perspective, this style is quite new to me,
>seeing as the Java compiler does not accept variables of
>the aforementioned type.

This is, of course, false. Java is even more liberal than C++,
as it not only allows names to begin with either a _ or $ (the
latter is illegal in C++), but doesn't reserve any of them for
the implementation.

>I have, however, seen this used also in C, but not to the
>same degree, and I have ignored it. But it has come to a point
>where I see it so much that I think it carries some kind of
>significance such that if I understood then I could grasp code
>quicker.

>Explain away, or BS away, I'm willing to listen.

I use that style to indicate member variables. I think it's
commonly accepted that it's good to distinguish member variables
from others (even in Java) but I'm often criticised here for my
particular way of doing it. I don't care, it's correct and I like
it.

I guess the criticism is that, although correct, a leading underscore
indicates that a name is now *either* a member variable, or a global
implementation-specific name, or possibly both.

Not really. The criticism is that, regardless of what the
standard says, system headers commonly DO define macros which
start with a _, and assume that this will not cause problems.
Using a _ prefix is just asking for trouble.

In general, as others have pointed out, library code intended to
be considered part of the implementation will make extensive use
of such symbols, precisely because the user is not allowed to
define them.

Outside of such library code, it seems pretty universal to
distinguish member variables from other names. In principle, if
you name well, it shouldn't be necessary, but such conventions
certainly don't do any harm. In cases where the variable
represents an externally visible attribute, they also allow the
setter/getter functions to have the name of the attribute. I've
seen at least four different conventions for this:
_member
member_
m_member
myMember
The first is, as I've just said, looking for trouble. The
second is, IMHO, just too ugly. The latter two also have the
advantage of extending easily to distinguish between static
members (s_member, ourMember) and non-static members. I use the
last in my own code; I like the fact that the results are
pronouceable. But I'll willingly either, according to the
requirements of the local standards.

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