C or C++?

[persenaama]

Re: C or C++?

On Jul 9, 6:09 pm, ricec...@gehenn om.invalid (Marcus Kwok) wrote:

persenaama <j...@liimatta. orgwrote:

On Jul 7, 2:49 am, "Bo Persson" <b...@gmb.dkwro te:

:: Because these "things" are C++?

>

In theory yes, but in practice no. :-)

>

This is getting tiring. I call the Authority Card into play;
Stroustrup says himself the following, <quote>:

>

C++ is a direct descendant of C that retains almost all of C as a
subset.

>
He also says:

It's already been established that C++ is subset of C.

What else he says is not relevant AS I AM NOT OPPOSING OR DEFENDING
ANY SPECIFIC interpretation of people's OPINIONS. My opinion is that
*I* am better with knowing more languages, more skilled, more demand
for my skills in the market out there. If someone is fine without C,
that's his experience and opinion, they are not necessarily same as
mine. Duh?

I for one would LOVE if people read what I write without jumping into
conclusions. Take care.

<3 <3 --persenaama

[Victor Bazarov]

Re: C or C++?

persenaama wrote:

[..]
It's already been established that C++ is subset of C.
[..]
I for one would LOVE if people read what I write without jumping into
conclusions. Take care.

Conclusions? Like that you're either inattentive or dislexic when you
are angry? Why the hell would I read what you write if not to jump to
conclusions? Just to waste my time? Ppppleez...

[Chris Hills]

Re: C or C++?

In article <468e68a0$0$273 85$ba4acef3@new s.orange.fr>, jacob navia
<jacob@jacob.re mcomp.frwrites

> And many, many more!
> I see only one reason to learn all above useless shit: to become
>>_dorky member_ of "comp.lang. c-ircus" *squirrely newsgroup*! :)

>
>I agree that many members of that newsgroup have weird views, and I have
>been atacked by those people a number of times...
>
>But the problem is not those people. It is that those people have
>reduced that group to a forum for themselves, and the users of
>C that are open minded are completely discouraged to participate.

Very true.

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[Marcus Kwok]

Re: C or C++?

persenaama <jukka@liimatta .orgwrote:

C++ is a subset of C. That's a fact; I don't see that being contested
just some random noise which changes nothing.

I think you have it backwards. I would say that C is (mostly) a subset
of C++. Maybe you meant to say that C++ is a *superset* of C?

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Marcus Kwok
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[persenaama]

Re: C or C++?

On Jul 9, 10:57 pm, ricec...@gehenn om.invalid (Marcus Kwok) wrote:

persenaama <j...@liimatta. orgwrote:

C++ is a subset of C. That's a fact; I don't see that being contested
just some random noise which changes nothing.

>
I think you have it backwards. I would say that C is (mostly) a subset
of C++. Maybe you meant to say that C++ is a *superset* of C?

Maybe I do. They call the parts of C++ that are similar to C89 "C
subset of C++", and Stroustrup was even more precise in his wording.
I'm under the opinion that backwards or forwards, the C subset of C++
is pretty important part of C++ to know.

I'm sorry if this opinion offends you so grealy that it requires four
follow ups so far. Just kidding, I'm not so sorry. :) :)

[Default User]

Re: C or C++?

Chris Hills wrote:

In article <468e68a0$0$273 85$ba4acef3@new s.orange.fr>, jacob navia
<jacob@jacob.re mcomp.frwrites >And many, many more!

I see only one reason to learn all above useless shit: to become
_dorky member_ of "comp.lang. c-ircus" *squirrely newsgroup*! :)

I agree that many members of that newsgroup have weird views, and I
have been atacked by those people a number of times...

But the problem is not those people. It is that those people have
reduced that group to a forum for themselves, and the users of
C that are open minded are completely discouraged to participate.

>
Very true.

Yeah, you two would think so. Jacob and Chris would like to "expand"
the C newsgroup to include platform-specific topics. There, as here,
that is considered undesirable.




Brian

[gpuchtel]

Re: C or C++?

On Jul 7, 1:48 am, arnuld <geek.arn...@gm ail.comwrote:

Stroustrup could have created C++ as a new language for
system programming with lessons learnt from C but he did not :-(.

Had he done that, it is very likely this group wouldn't exist today in
its present forum. Had Stroustrup not catered to the C community, C++
would never have been accepted by the C community (at that time),
something essential to the future success of C++. Stroustrup
acknowledges this in his book "The Design and Evolution of C++".

If you are going to criticize him for his decisions you should first
understand what influenced those decisions. Any serious C++ developer
should read this book. More importantly, anyone who decides to
criticize C++, Stroustrup or his decisions, and have some sense of
credibility doing it, should read this book first. Hindsight is always
20-20; all is not as it seems.

[jacob navia]

Re: C or C++?

Default User wrote:

Chris Hills wrote:
>

>In article <468e68a0$0$273 85$ba4acef3@new s.orange.fr>, jacob navia
><jacob@jacob.r emcomp.frwrites >And many, many more!

>>>I see only one reason to learn all above useless shit: to become
>>>_dorky member_ of "comp.lang. c-ircus" *squirrely newsgroup*! :)
>>I agree that many members of that newsgroup have weird views, and I
>>have been atacked by those people a number of times...
>>>
>>But the problem is not those people. It is that those people have
>>reduced that group to a forum for themselves, and the users of
>>C that are open minded are completely discouraged to participate.

>Very true.

>
Yeah, you two would think so. Jacob and Chris would like to "expand"
the C newsgroup to include platform-specific topics. There, as here,
that is considered undesirable.
>
>
>
>
Brian

This is not true. But there is no gain to discuss with you.
I have had my dose with the C group...

[Herhor]

Re: C or C++?

Default User pisze:

>
Yeah, you two would think so. Jacob and Chris would like to "expand"
the C newsgroup to include platform-specific topics. There, as here,
that is considered undesirable.
>

It seems you are also undesirable on this newsgroup by many!

So in lieu of insulting this two guys here take a running jump to your
default C-ircus, fossil!

[Chris Hills]

Re: C or C++?

In article <5ffn1dF3cdvgsU 1@mid.individua l.net>, Default User
<defaultuserbr@ yahoo.comwrites

>Chris Hills wrote:
>

>In article <468e68a0$0$273 85$ba4acef3@new s.orange.fr>, jacob navia
><jacob@jacob.r emcomp.frwrites >And many, many more!

I see only one reason to learn all above useless shit: to become
_dorky member_ of "comp.lang. c-ircus" *squirrely newsgroup*! :)
>
I agree that many members of that newsgroup have weird views, and I
have been atacked by those people a number of times...
>
But the problem is not those people. It is that those people have
reduced that group to a forum for themselves, and the users of
C that are open minded are completely discouraged to participate.

>>
>Very true.

>
>Yeah, you two would think so. Jacob and Chris would like to "expand"
>the C newsgroup to include platform-specific topics. There, as here,
>that is considered undesirable.

I just have a slightly wider view of clc than a small group of net
nannies who spend more time screaming "OT" than any thing else. Though
they bend the rule of "standard C" to make it anything from K&R1 to
past the present standard. But not any standards they don't like
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[Herhor]

Re: C or C++?

Dnia 10-07-2007 o 09:33:23 Chris Hills <chris@phaedsys .orgnapisa³(a):

In article <5ffn1dF3cdvgsU 1@mid.individua l.net>, Default User
<defaultuserbr@ yahoo.comwrites

>Chris Hills wrote:
>>

>>In article <468e68a0$0$273 85$ba4acef3@new s.orange.fr>, jacob navia
>><jacob@jacob. remcomp.frwrite s >And many, many more!
>I see only one reason to learn all above useless shit: to become
>_dorky member_ of "comp.lang. c-ircus" *squirrely newsgroup*! :)
>>
>I agree that many members of that newsgroup have weird views, and I
>have been atacked by those people a number of times...
>>
>But the problem is not those people. It is that those people have
>reduced that group to a forum for themselves, and the users of
>C that are open minded are completely discouraged to participate.
>>>
>>Very true.

>>
>Yeah, you two would think so. Jacob and Chris would like to "expand"
>the C newsgroup to include platform-specific topics. There, as here,
>that is considered undesirable.

>
I just have a slightly wider view of clc than a small group of net
nannies who spend more time screaming "OT" than any thing else. Though
they bend the rule of "standard C" to make it anything from K&R1 to
past the present standard. But not any standards they don't like

Just ignore this SENSLESS madman!

[Default User]

Re: C or C++?

Chris Hills wrote:

In article <5ffn1dF3cdvgsU 1@mid.individua l.net>, Default User
<defaultuserbr@ yahoo.comwrites

Chris Hills wrote:

In article <468e68a0$0$273 85$ba4acef3@new s.orange.fr>, jacob navia
><jacob@jacob.r emcomp.frwrites >And many, many more!
I see only one reason to learn all above useless shit: to become
_dorky member_ of "comp.lang. c-ircus" *squirrely newsgroup*! :)

>I agree that many members of that newsgroup have weird views, and

I >>have been atacked by those people a number of times...

>But the problem is not those people. It is that those people have
>reduced that group to a forum for themselves, and the users of
>C that are open minded are completely discouraged to participate.
>
Very true.

Yeah, you two would think so. Jacob and Chris would like to "expand"
the C newsgroup to include platform-specific topics. There, as here,
that is considered undesirable.

>
I just have a slightly wider view of clc

A much wider view.

than a small group of net
nannies who spend more time screaming "OT" than any thing else.

This is a bald-faced lie, and you know it.

Though they bend the rule of "standard C" to make it anything from
K&R1 to past the present standard. But not any standards they don't
like

They only accept C standards. Just as this newsgroup deals with C++
ones. Why not try to get this one to "expand" the way you did in clc?
You'll get about the same reception, because the topicality rules are
pretty similar.




Brian

[Huck Phin]

Re: C or C++?

In my opinion, you should learn them both. Depending upon the
situation, problem, or task, you may need to encounter both. Learn
all the programming languages you can, and you will find one that best
suits your needs for your situation. Each programming language has
its ups and downs. And when you get used to programming in both
procedural, and objects, you will find that each situation, or problem
needs a different requirement and works better.

~Huck