missing a char

[Elijah Cardon]

1 1 1 1 1 1
2 2 2 1 1 1
3 3 3 1 1 1
4 4 1 2 1 1
5 5 2 2 1 1
6 6 3 2 1 1
7 7 1 3 1 1
8 8 2 3 1 1
9 9 3 3 1 1
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60 60 3 2 1 3
61 61 1 3 1 3
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75 75 3 1 3 3
76 76 1 2 3 3
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78 78 3 2 3 3
79 79 1 3 3 3
80 80 2 3 3 3
81 81 3 3 3 3
EOF
This longish post is crossposted to comp.lang.c and to comp.lang.fortr an .
I believe that I have simulated setting the follow-ups by writing the
message on notepad and posting as if the other ng didn't exist.

I redirected this output to a text file that my OS believes is 3078 bytes in
length. There are six fields of six chars and 81 lines. 36 times 81 is
2916. Add in 81 carriage returns and you have 2997. Besides missing good
vision, I seem to be missing a char on every line. Ideas? EC

[Richard Heathfield]

Re: missing a char

Elijah Cardon said:

<snip>

I redirected this output to a text file that my OS believes is 3078 bytes
in
length. There are six fields of six chars and 81 lines. 36 times 81 is
2916. Add in 81 carriage returns and you have 2997. Besides missing good
vision, I seem to be missing a char on every line. Ideas? EC

You forgot newlines. Each line comprises:

six fields of six characters = 36
one carriage return '\r' = 1
one newline '\n' = 1
----
38

38 * 81 = 3078

--
Richard Heathfield
"Usenet is a strange place" - dmr 29/7/1999

http://www.cpax.org.uk

email: rjh at above domain (but drop the www, obviously)

[mark_bluemel@pobox.com]

Re: missing a char


Elijah Cardon wrote:

1 1 1 1 1 1
81 81 3 3 3 3
EOF
This longish post is crossposted to comp.lang.c and to comp.lang.fortr an .

Why?

I believe that I have simulated setting the follow-ups by writing the
message on notepad and posting as if the other ng didn't exist.

Why do we need to know this?

I redirected this output to a text file that my OS believes is 3078 bytes in
length. There are six fields of six chars and 81 lines. 36 times 81 is
2916. Add in 81 carriage returns and you have 2997. Besides missing good
vision, I seem to be missing a char on every line. Ideas? EC

1) learn about the text file format which applies to your OS
2) find out how to dump a file in hexadecimal format (or write a small
program to do the job)

[Elijah Cardon]

Re: missing a char


"Richard Heathfield" <invalid@invali d.invalidwrote in message
news:rt6dne2bP9 WSR7nYnZ2dnUVZ8 tSdnZ2d@bt.com. ..

Elijah Cardon said:
>
<snip>
>

>I redirected this output to a text file that my OS believes is 3078 bytes
>in
>length. There are six fields of six chars and 81 lines. 36 times 81 is
>2916. Add in 81 carriage returns and you have 2997. Besides missing
>good
>vision, I seem to be missing a char on every line. Ideas? EC

>
You forgot newlines. Each line comprises:
>
six fields of six characters = 36
one carriage return '\r' = 1
one newline '\n' = 1
----
38
>
38 * 81 = 3078

Did you rely on methods that lie outside the realm of the C programming
language to determine this? Mr. Heathfield claims he can't program on the
fly, which is as large an exxageration there can be before it is a lie. My
guess is that he "knew" this, which is an odd thing to know about somebody
else's data. Comes from experience.

I further guess that if you set CBfalconer's ggets on the output, the unseen
chars would unpalimpsest. How does a person set the follow-ups to a
cross-post? EC

[Richard Heathfield]

Re: missing a char

Elijah Cardon said:

Did you rely on methods that lie outside the realm of the C programming
language to determine this?

If you want to play games, please do it elsewhere. You asked a question, and
got the right answer. If you don't like the right answer, don't ask the
question.

--
Richard Heathfield
"Usenet is a strange place" - dmr 29/7/1999

http://www.cpax.org.uk

email: rjh at above domain (but drop the www, obviously)

[Default User]

Re: missing a char

Elijah Cardon wrote:

This longish post is crossposted to comp.lang.c and to
comp.lang.fortr an .

No, it wasn't. You may have posted it to clf as well, but that's not a
cross-post.




Brian

[Rod Pemberton]

Re: missing a char


"Elijah Cardon" <invalid@invali d.netwrote in message
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>
"Richard Heathfield" <invalid@invali d.invalidwrote in message
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Elijah Cardon said:

<snip>

I redirected this output to a text file that my OS believes is 3078

bytes

in
length. There are six fields of six chars and 81 lines. 36 times 81

is

2916. Add in 81 carriage returns and you have 2997. Besides missing
good
vision, I seem to be missing a char on every line. Ideas? EC

You forgot newlines. Each line comprises:

<snip>

38 * 81 = 3078

Did you rely on methods that lie outside the realm of the C programming
language to determine this?

Yes, he did. But, __unfortunately __, he didn't have to. This was snipped
from working code of mine...(so you'll have to add the includes,etc... ):

#define NLSZ 10
FILE *nlf;
unsigned char nl[NLSZ],nl_sz=0;

/* determine actual binary values for text newline */
memset(nl,0,NLS Z);
nlf=fopen("newl ine0.xxx","wt") ;
fprintf(nlf,"\n ");
fclose(nlf);
nlf=fopen("newl ine0.xxx","rb") ;
while((!feof(nl f))&&(nl_sz<NLS Z))
{
nl[nl_sz++]=fgetc(nlf);
}
nl_sz--;
nl[nl_sz]='\0';
fclose(nlf);
remove("newline 0.xxx");

Mr. Heathfield claims he can't program on the
fly, which is as large an exxageration[sic] there can be before it is a

lie. My

guess is that he "knew" this, which is an odd thing to know about somebody
else's data. Comes from experience.
>

Yes, he "knew" this.

What's surprising is that he didn't (as he has done in the past) describe
common ASCII return sequences: cr, lf, crlf. And, he didn't bring up EBCDIC
or DEC VMS return sequence. And, he didn't bring up the fact that EBCDIC
isn't standardized, or the fact that there are at least 8 common variants of
EBCDIC, or the fact that HP, AT&T, POSIX, and IBM (5) all have variants, or
the fact that there 82 invariant character positions and 13 variant
positions in EBCDIC. Etc...

I further guess that if you set CBfalconer's ggets on the output, the

unseen

chars would unpalimpsest.

Although "palimpsest " is used in a very unusual manner and the F in
CBFalconer is capitalized, it still deservers a hearty "hehe"... :-) Yes,
CBFalconer's code is... Well, all you have to do is compare his strlcat()
and strlcpy() with Russ Albery's Public Domain INN versions...

How does a person set the follow-ups to a
cross-post? EC
>

Ignoring the fact that you didn't "cross-post," but "multi-posted," there
should be a header line for it when composing your email for nntp. The line
will automatically redirect any replies to that _specific_ post to the
followup newsgroup. It doesn't redirect the entire thread. You should
always check to make sure someone didn't change the sent to newsgroups on
you, and you many need to reset them before you send your reply. It may be
an advanced feature... The line for MS Outlook is called: "Followup-To",
and it should be at the same place where lines like "News Server",
"Newsgroups ", "CC", "Reply-To" are. So, since I set the follows for this
message to "alt.comp.lang. c", anyone replying to this message should see
"alt.comp.lang. c" in the "Newsgroups " line instead of "comp.lang. c". Try
replying to this message.

:-)


Rod Pemberton

[Lane Straatman]

Re: missing a char


"Rod Pemberton" <do_not_have@bi tfoad.cmmwrote in message
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>
"Elijah Cardon" <invalid@invali d.netwrote in message
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>"Richard Heathfield" <invalid@invali d.invalidwrote in message
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Elijah Cardon said:
>
<snip>
>
>I redirected this output to a text file that my OS believes is 3078

bytes

>in
>length. There are six fields of six chars and 81 lines. 36 times 81

is

>2916. Add in 81 carriage returns and you have 2997. Besides missing
>good
>vision, I seem to be missing a char on every line. Ideas? EC
>
You forgot newlines. Each line comprises:
>

<snip>

38 * 81 = 3078

>

>Did you rely on methods that lie outside the realm of the C programming
>language to determine this?

>
Yes, he did. But, __unfortunately __, he didn't have to. This was snipped
from working code of mine...(so you'll have to add the includes,etc... ):
>
#define NLSZ 10
FILE *nlf;
unsigned char nl[NLSZ],nl_sz=0;
>
/* determine actual binary values for text newline */
memset(nl,0,NLS Z);
nlf=fopen("newl ine0.xxx","wt") ;
fprintf(nlf,"\n ");
fclose(nlf);
nlf=fopen("newl ine0.xxx","rb") ;
while((!feof(nl f))&&(nl_sz<NLS Z))
{
nl[nl_sz++]=fgetc(nlf);
}
nl_sz--;
nl[nl_sz]='\0';
fclose(nlf);
remove("newline 0.xxx");

I'll feed this to my compiler when she gets hungry.

What's surprising is that he didn't (as he has done in the past) describe
common ASCII return sequences: cr, lf, crlf. And, he didn't bring up
EBCDIC
or DEC VMS return sequence. And, he didn't bring up the fact that EBCDIC
isn't standardized, or the fact that there are at least 8 common variants
of
EBCDIC, or the fact that HP, AT&T, POSIX, and IBM (5) all have variants,
or
the fact that there 82 invariant character positions and 13 variant
positions in EBCDIC. Etc...

A merciful act.

>I further guess that if you set CBfalconer's ggets on the output, the

unseen

>chars would unpalimpsest.

>
Although "palimpsest " is used in a very unusual manner and the F in
CBFalconer is capitalized, it still deservers a hearty "hehe"... :-) Yes,
CBFalconer's code is... Well, all you have to do is compare his strlcat()
and strlcpy() with Russ Albery's Public Domain INN versions...
>

>How does a person set the follow-ups to a
>cross-post? EC
>>

>
Ignoring the fact that you didn't "cross-post," but "multi-posted," there
should be a header line for it when composing your email for nntp. The
line
will automatically redirect any replies to that _specific_ post to the
followup newsgroup. It doesn't redirect the entire thread. You
should
always check to make sure someone didn't change the sent to newsgroups on
you, and you many need to reset them before you send your reply. It may
be
an advanced feature... The line for MS Outlook is called: "Followup-To",
and it should be at the same place where lines like "News Server",
"Newsgroups ", "CC", "Reply-To" are. So, since I set the follows for this
message to "alt.comp.lang. c", anyone replying to this message should see
"alt.comp.lang. c" in the "Newsgroups " line instead of "comp.lang. c". Try
replying to this message.

dankenstein, lane

[Lane Straatman]

Re: missing a char


<mark_bluemel@p obox.comwrote in message
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>
Elijah Cardon wrote:
>

>1 1 1 1 1 1
> 81 81 3 3 3 3
>EOF
>This longish post is crossposted to comp.lang.c and to comp.lang.fortr an
>.

>
Why?

When I'm missing something, it bugs me. I don't like bugs. The cockroaches
here in River City I kill with impunity. Unfortunately, I'm running on MS
and chasing after a bug can turn into an Opus Magnum. Oops, did I say
'Jehovah'?

>I believe that I have simulated setting the follow-ups by writing the
>message on notepad and posting as if the other ng didn't exist.

>
Why do we need to know this?

See upthread.

>I redirected this output to a text file that my OS believes is 3078 bytes
>in
>length. There are six fields of six chars and 81 lines. 36 times 81 is
>2916. Add in 81 carriage returns and you have 2997. Besides missing
>good
>vision, I seem to be missing a char on every line. Ideas? EC

>
1) learn about the text file format which applies to your OS
2) find out how to dump a file in hexadecimal format (or write a small
program to do the job)

If you're on xp and programming in c, why would do something that you'd do
with the microwave you took out of the trash? LS