Console Colour

[WW]

Re: Console Colour

David B. Held wrote:
[SNIP][color=blue][color=green][color=darkred]
>>> Actually, I was being pragmatic.[/color]
>>
>> You have been off-topic and trolling...[/color]
>
> I see. So it's more important to bend your will to the
> newsgroup gestapo then spend a few lines of text giving
> someone a useful pointer.[/color]

If you would read posts here for other purposes than picking up a good
trolling place for yourself you would know that this is not true.
[color=blue]
> Because being helpful makes you a "troll".[/color]

No. Being an asshole stating that everything belongs here which is covered
by any of the ANSI standards belongs here does. Keeping arguing about your
off topic post (which you have stated as on-topic) when you clearly know it
was off-topic is. What makes *you* a troll is wasting peoples time and
posting deliberate flame baits.
[color=blue]
> Well, I'd much rather continue this "trolling"
> thread and annoy every self-appointed moderator of this
> group than stop helping people when it's easy and
> convenient to do so.[/color]

Get a wife and start crewing her. We have enough jerks in this NG without
you.
[color=blue]
> If you don't like that, you are free
> to create a moderated newsgroup where you actually
> have control over the content.[/color]

Actually I have control over the content here as well. I just choose not to
killfile you, because I know that your fake-liberal postings will encourage
the thankx-to-god-sleeping jerks who used to create 50+ posts Windows
programming threads.

The problem is that you are not liberal as you try to put it. You come into
a group which has its own ground rules and you try to change them to those
of yours. That it either a self-absorbed consrvative (who cannot imagine
that there can be anything else than what he thinks is good) or an
anarchist. Neither one is needed in a technical newsgroup.
[color=blue][color=green]
>> [...]
>> Try asking there about color printing and then post an
>> answer with non-postable terminal characters. I'd really
>> love seeing Francis get you.[/color]
>
> I'm sure you would, because you seem to be sadistic like
> that. But frankly, I see numerous threads there that have
> little to do with the C++ language itself. Here are some
> examples:
>
> Thread safe strings? (as you know, C++ is thread-agnostic)[/color]

As you know, C++ is being changed. Threads are being added.

In addition threads like that are not rejected here either by most. If you
care to look into the thread not only picking up subject lines which seem to
support you you would see that the posts are *not* about threads programming
but about where is C++ heading and why could a string fail in MT.
[color=blue]
> compiling difference b/w G++ and VC++ (platform-
> specific thread)[/color]

No, it is not. It is concentrating on the standard compliance of two
compilers and portability. *Not anything* platform specific.
[color=blue]
> Protecting or hiding a username and password in C++
> (obviously not a C++-specific issue)[/color]

Obviously... did you care to look at more than the subject?
[color=blue]
> Ideas for a midterm and final projects (in C++, but
> clearly not a language question)[/color]

No. And such questions are asked and answered here as well.
[color=blue]
> g007: banning profane language in C++ source code
> (not C++-specific)[/color]

It is C++ specific. It is guideline James Bond... sorry 007 in a series of
proposed guidelines for C++ programmers.
[color=blue]
> "frame memory" malapropism? (tangentially related to
> C++ IDE for C++ (about as relevant to C++ as
> color console output)[/color]

That thread had nothing to do with C++ IDEs. It is an attempt to clarify if
a term means anything or not.
[color=blue]
> Note that even on these questionable threads (which don't
> annoy me in the least), even the more "conservati ve"
> posters don't go off on tirades about how the topic isn't
> 100% related to the newsgroup. Basically, people in
> c.l.c++.m have better things to worry about.[/color]

Basically yes. In there the jerks stating that ANSI consolse codes belong
to the topic of ANSI C++ are cut off before they reach the air. So yes,
clcm can be more liberal on topics, because it will still be a moderated
discussion.

But then again within the topics you have picked up above there are only two
questionable at first sight but one of them is part of a set and the other
is terminology clarification.
[color=blue][color=green]
>> [...]
>> I have spent the time thanx to you off-topic trolling.[/color]
>
> But you make it sound like I'm the only person trolling
> here. I think your posts are also troll-worthy.[/color]

You think wrong. Wouldn't be the first case.
[color=blue][color=green]
>> Shitting is OK you say - it is part of nature. All right,
>> but then do not wonder if someone does it in your living
>> room.[/color]
>
> So if I had said this instead of you, would that make me
> a troll?[/color]

No. What makes you a troll is to provoke these.
[color=blue][color=green]
>> [...]
>> You may not have a life I have one. And I would rather
>> spend my short free time on constructive work in here
>> rather than trying to find on-topic posts in all the junk.[/color]
>
> Well, if you had left it alone, you would have seen exactly
> two "off-topic" posts in this thread.[/color]

Two as the 4 posts exchanged between you and Thomas plus the 5th original
off-topic post? Beware I do not count your answer to the original as
off-topic. It was only trolling/silly to state that ANSI terminals are
topical here.
[color=blue]
> But now there are 6
> such posts, only half of which were written by me.[/color]

Yeah. You have just described how trolls work. Look: people have started
to correct you and not me, and that started the avalanche.
[color=blue]
> Not
> to mention that you spent all the time writing some of them.[/color]

Sure. That is why I said that do not waste our time with trolling. We have
to respond for a while to make sure newbies will not be mislead and sleeping
troll encouraged by your fallacies. Then we might killfile or ignore you if
it seems to be hopeless to make you think.
[color=blue]
> So it seems to me that you would rather spend your "short
> free time" policing the group and creating more off-topic
> nonsense for *other* people to skip over than merely
> dealing with the content that interests you.[/color]

Keeping the topicality of the group is not off-topic. And no, I am rather
not, but I go in the order as posts show up and I feel that it is also my
responsibility to keep this group on-topic. So it is yours.
[color=blue]
> And if the
> off-topic content bothers you so much, why don't you just
> read c.l.c++.m instead?[/color]

I read that too. But it starts to hit me that you actually suggest that
people who want to discuss the C++ language in peace here should go away and
that off-topic ranters and trolls stay. Do you see the Fe in it?
[color=blue][color=green]
>> [...]
>> Yes. But if they are not assholes - unlike some - and if
>> they are informed that they should post their C++
>> language questions here and the rest elsewhere they will
>> do so. If they are asshole they keep arguing.[/color]
>
> Hmm...all of my posts have a reply...I wonder what that
> means?[/color]

Means you are successfull in trolling?
[color=blue][color=green]
>> [...]
>> F**k you man.[/color]
>
> Umm...who's the troll?[/color]

You. Let's not take things out of context:
[color=blue][color=green]
> > So instead
> > of being a bunch of self-righteous pricks,[/color]
>
> F**k you man.[/color]
[color=blue][color=green]
>> [...]
>> So why don't you crawl back to whereever you crawl out
>> from and *leave us* here so that we will *have time* to
>> answer questions because we do not need to waste it
>> reading your fallacies?[/color]
>
> In this thread, I'm the only person who answered a question.[/color]

Yes. But unfortunately in addition to this you have stated that all ANSI
standards are topical here.
[color=blue]
> You and Mr. Matthews spent 5 posts saying why I shouldn't
> have answered it.[/color]

I did not. I have spent two posts (3 with that) to tell that your statement
about ANSI terminals being topical here is false.
[color=blue]
> If you have less time to answer interesting
> questions, whose fault is that?[/color]

Yours.
[color=blue][color=green]
>> If you do not wish to participate in a C++ language
>> newsgroup then please do not waste thousands of people's
>> time by trolling.[/color]
>
> I see. So answering questions constitutes "trolling",[/color]

No. Stating obvious bullshit as truth does. It is the definition of
trolling. Starting flame wars with such a flame bait does.
[color=blue]
> but
> policing an umoderated group constitutes "participation" .[/color]

Yes. Metat-talk is topical.
[color=blue]
> Wow, the net changes so fast I can't keep up with all the
> definitions.[/color]

Better look for another job. You would make a perfect IRS official. AFAIK
they also drive people crazy.
[color=blue][color=green]
>> I have no trouble with people giving redirection and giving
>> also an off-topic answer if they know it. If you care to look
>> you will see I do it myself if the answer is short. But I do
>> have trouble with people arguing the topicality of clearly
>> off-topic things and I do have trouble believing the good
>> intentions of those.[/color]
>
> Oh, you're absolutely right. My whole intention all along was
> to bring a flood of off-topic posters to c.l.c++. You caught
> me.[/color]

I know.
[color=blue]
> The answer I gave *was* short, you gave no redirection,
> and I never said it was on-topic.[/color]

David:"No, but C++ is defined by an ANSI standard, it defines
behaviour when outputting to a "C++ console", and ANSI
defines how to make a console render text in different
colors. So in a roundabout way, I don't think it's entirely
off-topic."

Short? Not rtue. Never said it was on-topic? Not true.

WW:"Please post this question to a programming
newsgroup dedicated to your platform."

I never gave a redirection? Not true.
[color=blue]
> Also, you apparently don't know what a smiley is.[/color]

Apparently I do know.
[color=blue][color=green]
>> And I do count fallacies like yours that all ANSI standards
>> belong here.[/color]
>
> LOL!! No, that's called an "invalid inference".[/color]

Read your post.
[color=blue][color=green]
>> So decide if you want to be part of the problem or part of
>> the solution. The problem here is that there are some days
>> over 500 posts and many of those is waste of time to
>> download or look at, because they have nothing to do with
>> the purpose of this newsgroup.[/color]
>
> Ask yourself if any of your posts might fall into that category,
> and then ask yourself if you are being "part of the problem or
> part of the solution".[/color]

Unlike you I do that vefore I post.
[color=blue][color=green]
>> The other problem is people - like you - who support those
>> instead of trying to keep the volume on a managable
>> level.[/color]
>
> Hey, I didn't say: "By all means continue to ask your color-
> related questions here." I redirected the OP to a useful
> Google search. If there's an unmanageable volume, I'd say
> it's because group cops like you double the amount of off-
> topic posts.[/color]

You stated that ANSI terminals are topical here. I have never had problem
with yopu *answering* the question and giving redirection as I have already
told you.
[color=blue][color=green]
>> Many C++ experts do not read this newsgroup due to the
>> sheer volume of off-topic messages.[/color]
>
> They read c.l.c++.m, like you should, if you only want to
> see topical messages.[/color]

I am sorry, but since when do you decide what do I read?
[color=blue][color=green]
>> We can all say thanx to those people for that who are
>> encouraging off-topic threads. Like you.[/color]
>
> I defy you to show how I "encouraged " off-topic threads.[/color]

Think. It might be unusual thing to do but believe me it is worth of it.
[color=blue]
> Of all the people that have posted after me on this thread,
> none of them have asked for further information about
> color. And none of them have contributed to C++
> discussion either.[/color]

They have contributed to discourage posting fallacies - like yours is about
ANSI reminals being topical - to this newsgroup.

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WW aka Attila

[WW]

Re: Console Colour

Teeyester wrote:[color=blue]
> A lot of techno going on here.......Try this[/color]
[nonportable crap SNIPped]

Please do not post non-portable propriatery code to comp.lang.c++

Thanks again David B. Held! Good work!

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WW aka Attila

[Teeyester]

Re: Console Colour

"WW" <wolof@freemail .hu> wrote in message news:<bkjpsg$hb 0$1@phys-news1.kolumbus. fi>...[color=blue]
> Teeyester wrote:[color=green]
> > A lot of techno going on here.......Try this[/color]
> [nonportable crap SNIPped]
>
> Please do not post non-portable propriatery code to comp.lang.c++
>
> Thanks again David B. Held! Good work![/color]


Well WW...
I must apoligize for my first post here then and my total failure to
recognize the format of this forum

"Off-topic answers are, in many ways, worse than off-topic questions.
We
want to discourage off-topic questions, not encourage them. Also,
answers posted on this group are expected to be "standard" and
"portable". A
non-standard solution has a good chance of being taken for a standard
solution."

I am fairly new to C++ myself and browsed this forum trying to
learn a thing or two. Dom's original post said nothing about being
portable or standard..He merely asked about a way to change text
color(something I recently was experimenting with myself).....Us new
people have to do that....So I thought I would post something however
non-portable or non-standard that might give him an insight of where
to begin looking.......b ecause reguardless of the techicnal aspects of
whether C++ does or dosen't support color, eventually most of us want
to find out how to do whatever is necessary to change color.

It would appear that this forum is probably over my head and since
you seem to reguard David B. Held in high reguard, he posted some good
advise for newbies a couple of post above.

"In my experience, people who are not helped go away. In my opinion,
telling every off-topic poster that he's off-topic, instead of merely
failing to answer the question doubles the amount of noise on the
group."

So I shall heed his advise and respectfully ....go away .....

[WW]

Re: Console Colour

Teeyester wrote:[color=blue]
> Well WW...
> I must apoligize for my first post here then and my total failure to
> recognize the format of this forum[/color]

Read these:

http://www.slack.net/~shiva/welcome.txt

http://www.slack.net/~shiva/offtopic.txt

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WW aka Attila

[David B. Held]

Re: Console Colour

"WW" <wolof@freemail .hu> wrote in message
news:bkkoa2$76k $1@phys-news1.kolumbus. fi...[color=blue]
> Teeyester wrote:[color=green]
> > Well WW...
> > I must apoligize for my first post here then and my total
> > failure to recognize the format of this forum[/color]
>
> Read these:
>
> http://www.slack.net/~shiva/welcome.txt[/color]

Isn't it a little late to post a link to something called
"welcome"?

Dave

[David B. Held]

Re: Console Colour

"WW" <wolof@freemail .hu> wrote in message
news:bkjpsg$hb0 $1@phys-news1.kolumbus. fi...[color=blue]
> Teeyester wrote:[color=green]
> > A lot of techno going on here.......Try this[/color]
> [nonportable crap SNIPped]
>
> Please do not post non-portable propriatery code to
> comp.lang.c++
>
> Thanks again David B. Held! Good work![/color]

I'd do it again for no other reason than to annoy you personally.
Now *that's* trolling!

Dave

[WW]

Re: Console Colour

David B. Held wrote:[color=blue]
> "WW" <wolof@freemail .hu> wrote in message
> news:bkkoa2$76k $1@phys-news1.kolumbus. fi...[color=green]
>> Teeyester wrote:[color=darkred]
>>> Well WW...
>>> I must apoligize for my first post here then and my total
>>> failure to recognize the format of this forum[/color]
>>
>> Read these:
>>
>> http://www.slack.net/~shiva/welcome.txt[/color]
>
> Isn't it a little late to post a link to something called
> "welcome"?[/color]

Thanks to you it is.

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WW aka Attila

[WW]

Re: Console Colour

David B. Held wrote:[color=blue]
> "WW" <wolof@freemail .hu> wrote in message
> news:bkjpsg$hb0 $1@phys-news1.kolumbus. fi...[color=green]
>> Teeyester wrote:[color=darkred]
>>> A lot of techno going on here.......Try this[/color]
>> [nonportable crap SNIPped]
>>
>> Please do not post non-portable propriatery code to
>> comp.lang.c++
>>
>> Thanks again David B. Held! Good work![/color]
>
> I'd do it again for no other reason than to annoy you personally.
> Now *that's* trolling![/color]

You had no other reason so far either. Unless you intended to annoy every
decent user of this newsgroup.

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WW aka Attila

[David B. Held]

Re: Console Colour

"Teeyester" <Teeyester@yaho o.com> wrote in message
news:931761e1.0 309210935.5a6d7 260@posting.goo gle.com...[color=blue]
> [...]
> It would appear that this forum is probably over my head[/color]

Don't worry, the self-appointed newsgroup fuhrer claims to
be on the C++ committee and still makes fundamental errors
in his posts.
[color=blue]
> [...]
> "In my experience, people who are not helped go away. In
> my opinion, telling every off-topic poster that he's off-topic,
> instead of merely failing to answer the question doubles the
> amount of noise on the group."
>
> So I shall heed his advise and respectfully ....go away .....[/color]

But don't just leave. Leave for greener pastures. Check out
comp.lang.c++.m oderated, which is much more pleasant to
read, because you don't see all the messages from angry
people who act like moderators but are frustrated that they
lack the power to be moderators.

Dave

[WW]

Re: Console Colour

David B. Held wrote:[color=blue]
> "Teeyester" <Teeyester@yaho o.com> wrote in message
> news:931761e1.0 309210935.5a6d7 260@posting.goo gle.com...[color=green]
>> [...]
>> It would appear that this forum is probably over my head[/color]
>
> Don't worry, the self-appointed newsgroup fuhrer claims to
> be on the C++ committee and still makes fundamental errors
> in his posts.[/color]

If you find any, point them out. So far it is only your mouth mumbling. At
least I do not keep post nonportable bullsh*t.
[color=blue][color=green]
>> [...]
>> "In my experience, people who are not helped go away. In
>> my opinion, telling every off-topic poster that he's off-topic,
>> instead of merely failing to answer the question doubles the
>> amount of noise on the group."
>>
>> So I shall heed his advise and respectfully ....go away .....[/color]
>
> But don't just leave. Leave for greener pastures. Check out
> comp.lang.c++.m oderated, which is much more pleasant to
> read, because you don't see all the messages from angry
> people who act like moderators but are frustrated that they
> lack the power to be moderators.[/color]

Out of the two of us you are the one who gets more and more frustrated. You
cannot even do decent trolling.

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WW aka Attila

[WW]

Re: Console Colour

David B. Held wrote:[color=blue]
> "Teeyester" <Teeyester@yaho o.com> wrote in message
> news:931761e1.0 309210935.5a6d7 260@posting.goo gle.com...[color=green]
>> [...]
>> It would appear that this forum is probably over my head[/color]
>
> Don't worry, the self-appointed newsgroup fuhrer claims to
> be on the C++ committee and still makes fundamental errors
> in his posts.[/color]

Ahh. I did not see your attempted sarcasm and failed attempt to prove me
lie. I am not on the C++ committee as a voting member (yet). I will be
there as an observer for now. Since unlike you dropping in here and trying
to change the rules I like to take the time to know what I am supposed to do
and what not. And IIRC I did not write I am on the C++ committee. If I
did, that was just wrong wording. IIRC I said I have worked my ass off to
get there. Last time I have been invited (Oxford) to observe and contribute
if I can I could not do it due to reasons beyond my control. Now I am
looking forward to it - despite of your ill-mannered bull-baiting.
Especially because I have already prepared a contribution which I guess will
be argued into pieces. What will give me the opportunity to be humiliated
based on reasons rather than annoying trolls' clouded fictions and
fixations. And that means I will learn a lot.

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WW aka Attila

[David B. Held]

Re: Console Colour

"WW" <wolof@freemail .hu> wrote in message
news:bkl1ar$lf4 $1@phys-news1.kolumbus. fi...[color=blue]
> David B. Held wrote:[color=green]
> > "Teeyester" <Teeyester@yaho o.com> wrote in message
> > news:931761e1.0 309210935.5a6d7 260@posting.goo gle.com...[color=darkred]
> >> [...]
> >> It would appear that this forum is probably over my head[/color]
> >
> > Don't worry, the self-appointed newsgroup fuhrer claims to
> > be on the C++ committee and still makes fundamental errors
> > in his posts.[/color]
>
> If you find any, point them out.[/color]

"WW" <wolof@freemail .hu> wrote in message
news:bkipak$5q2 $1@phys-news1.kolumbus. fi...[color=blue]
> You are not allowed to place anything into the std
> namespace![/color]
[color=blue]
> So far it is only your mouth mumbling.[/color]

Hmm...how's my mumbling now? Oh, sure, you
followed it up with this convenient bit of backpedaling:
[color=blue]
> You are not placing them into the standard namespace.
> They are there and you are allowed to specialize them.[/color]

Nice of you to mention that in the original post.
[color=blue]
> At least I do not keep post nonportable bullsh*t.[/color]

At least I don't tell users things that aren't in the standard.
That seems more evil than a non-portable solution, if you
ask me.
[color=blue]
> [...]
> Out of the two of us you are the one who gets more and
> more frustrated. You cannot even do decent trolling.[/color]

Oh, I'm so sad. You said I was a bad troll. And daddy
troll and mommy troll also said I was a no good troll kiddy.
Let's see...which one of us said:

"Get a wife and start crewing her."

While I am interested in rowing, I'm not sure I would find a
wife on the local crew team. So which one of us is "more
frustrated"? I can provide lots of other quotes, if there is
any doubt.

Dave

[WW]

Re: Console Colour

David B. Held wrote:[color=blue][color=green]
>> So far it is only your mouth mumbling.[/color]
>
> Hmm...how's my mumbling now?[/color]

You, troll.
[color=blue]
> Oh, sure, you
> followed it up with this convenient bit of backpedaling:
>[color=green]
>> You are not placing them into the standard namespace.
>> They are there and you are allowed to specialize them.[/color]
>
> Nice of you to mention that in the original post.[/color]

???
[color=blue][color=green]
>> At least I do not keep post nonportable bullsh*t.[/color]
>
> At least I don't tell users things that aren't in the standard.[/color]

Really? So you tell them about ANSI terminals, which are not in the
standard.

BTW I see you have afound new trolling tactics: take things out of context.
Good job. Although only a 6 years old would fall for it but hey, you have
tried.
[color=blue]
> That seems more evil than a non-portable solution, if you
> ask me.[/color]

Making a mistake (if I did) is not as evil as driving a newsgroup
deliberately off-topic and then keep trolling around as you do.
[color=blue][color=green]
>> [...]
>> Out of the two of us you are the one who gets more and
>> more frustrated. You cannot even do decent trolling.[/color]
>
> Oh, I'm so sad. You said I was a bad troll. And daddy
> troll and mommy troll also said I was a no good troll kiddy.
> Let's see...which one of us said:
>
> "Get a wife and start crewing her."[/color]

Yes. Tipical respons to a troll. The trolls' sole purpose in life is to
create flame. And the troll uses flame baits (obviously wrong or stupid
things, like telling that ANSI terminals are in the realm of the standard
C++) to achieve that. Just like you. How interesting.
[color=blue]
> While I am interested in rowing, I'm not sure I would find a
> wife on the local crew team. So which one of us is "more
> frustrated"? I can provide lots of other quotes, if there is
> any doubt.[/color]

You have not yet seen me frustrated. That little suggestion above was the
first sign of me completely giving up on you since your stonehead is unable
to grasp even the simplest idea - doesn't matter how many tells it to you.

Feel yourself killfiled.

--
WW aka Attila

[David B. Held]

Re: Console Colour

"WW" <wolof@freemail .hu> wrote in message
news:bkjpci$gjr $1@phys-news1.kolumbus. fi...[color=blue]
> [...]
> If you would read posts here for other purposes than
> picking up a good trolling place for yourself you would
> know that this is not true.[/color]

And this is not an groundless, antagonistic statement? What
is the definition of 'trolling' again?
[color=blue][color=green]
> > Because being helpful makes you a "troll".[/color]
>
> No. Being an asshole stating that everything belongs here
> which is covered by any of the ANSI standards belongs
> here does.[/color]

Oh, I see. When you *reply* to an off-topic post, nothing
you say is considered "trolling". That means you are free to
put words in people's mouths and fail to quote them when
you attribute a claim to them. My bad.
[color=blue]
> Keeping arguing about your off topic post (which you have
> stated as on-topic) when you clearly know it was off-topic
> is.[/color]

I never claimed it was on-topic. I gave a half-hearted
justification for answering the question. But obviously, you
don't know what a smiley is. At this point, I'm not arguing
about my post. I'm arguing about the fact that you are
expending so much energy perpetrating the very evil you
complain about, which is off-topic posting.
[color=blue]
> What makes *you* a troll is wasting peoples time and
> posting deliberate flame baits.[/color]

Ah. I guess none of these could be considered "flame baits":

"Being an asshole stating that everything belongs
here which is covered by any of the ANSI standards
belongs here does."

"Get a wife and start crewing her."

"You think wrong. Wouldn't be the first case."

"Better look for another job. You would make a perfect
IRS official. AFAIK they also drive people crazy."

"Think. It might be unusual thing to do but believe me it
is worth of it."

That's from just your last post alone. I could compile a
veritable tome if I just dug through a few more posts.
Where I come from, people who accuse others of
something they are engaged in at the moment are called
"hypocrites ".
[color=blue]
> [...]
> Get a wife and start crewing her. We have enough jerks in
> this NG without you.[/color]

Do you talk like this during committee meetings when
someone disagrees with you?
[color=blue]
> [...]
> Actually I have control over the content here as well.[/color]

You may have control over the content you see, but you are
impotent to change the content that is posted.
[color=blue]
> I just choose not to killfile you, because I know that your
> fake-liberal postings will encourage the thankx-to-god-
> sleeping jerks who used to create 50+ posts Windows
> programming threads.[/color]

The world sleeps better under your watchful eye of
protection.
[color=blue]
> The problem is that you are not liberal as you try to put it.[/color]

Was I trying to sound liberal? That's funny...I didn't even
know political persuasion had entered the thread.
[color=blue]
> You come into a group which has its own ground rules and
> you try to change them to those of yours.[/color]

Oh, you're right. The first thing I did when I came here
was to take the welcome message and group guidelines and
twist them for my own evil purposes. Muaaahahahaha!! !
Soon, the entire newsgroup will be mine!!!! <more evil
laughing>
[color=blue]
> That it either a self-absorbed consrvative (who cannot
> imagine that there can be anything else than what he thinks
> is good)[/color]

Hmm...that sounds like someone I've seen recently...
[color=blue]
> or an anarchist. Neither one is needed in a technical
> newsgroup.[/color]

Tell that to the hypocrite.
[color=blue][color=green]
> > [...]
> > Thread safe strings? (as you know, C++ is thread-
> > agnostic)[/color]
>
> As you know, C++ is being changed. Threads are being
> added.[/color]

"Being"? What percentage of progress is there? Last time I
heard, features either existed in the language or they didn't.
For that matter, who is to say that color support will not be
added? After all, people have even talked about color-
sensitive source code!
[color=blue]
> In addition threads like that are not rejected here either by
> most.[/color]

Well, it's impossible for me to read every thread to see which
off-topic posts are really on-topic. Perhaps you could make
a list.
[color=blue]
> If you care to look into the thread not only picking up
> subject lines which seem to support you you would see that
> the posts are *not* about threads programming but about
> where is C++ heading and why could a string fail in MT.[/color]

Since threading is currently platform-specific, I don't see
how you could argue that it's a C++ discussion. Otherwise,
we might as well talk about the Dinkumware implementation
of strings.
[color=blue][color=green]
> > compiling difference b/w G++ and VC++ (platform-
> > specific thread)[/color]
>
> No, it is not. It is concentrating on the standard compliance
> of two compilers and portability. *Not anything* platform
> specific.[/color]

Umm...you don't think discussion about compiler flags and
extensions in g++ is "platforms-specific"?? What do you
call it?
[color=blue][color=green]
> > Protecting or hiding a username and password in C++
> > (obviously not a C++-specific issue)[/color]
>
> Obviously... did you care to look at more than the subject?[/color]

Yup. And not a single post discusses C++ code. That's
because the thread is really about network security, despite
having 8 posts in it, and not one warning by the moderator
that the thread is unrelated to C++.
[color=blue][color=green]
> > Ideas for a midterm and final projects (in C++, but
> > clearly not a language question)[/color]
>
> No. And such questions are asked and answered here as
> well.[/color]

It's nice how you pick and choose which OT topics to make
on-topic.
[color=blue][color=green]
> > g007: banning profane language in C++ source code
> > (not C++-specific)[/color]
>
> It is C++ specific. It is guideline James Bond... sorry 007
> in a series of proposed guidelines for C++ programmers.[/color]

Oh, I see. Banning profane language isn't possible or
appropriate in Ada or Forth or Haskell or Fortran. It's
only something relevant to C++ source and programmers.
My mistake. I need to put more swearing in my Java code.
[color=blue][color=green]
> > "frame memory" malapropism? (tangentially related to
> > C++ IDE for C++ (about as relevant to C++ as
> > color console output)[/color]
>
> That thread had nothing to do with C++ IDEs. It is an
> attempt to clarify if a term means anything or not.[/color]

In your incompetence, you ran together two lines which
were not the same in the original post. Anyway, the term
was not specific to C++, and IDEs don't have anything
to do with C++ and are highly platform-specific.
[color=blue]
> [...]
> Basically yes. In there the jerks stating that ANSI
> consolse codes belong to the topic of ANSI C++ are
> cut off before they reach the air.[/color]

Actually, it's even worse than that. I'm saying that the
moderation itself is more relaxed, and you don't get the
impression that the moderators hyperventilate every
time they see a post with questionable topicality.
[color=blue]
> So yes, clcm can be more liberal on topics, because it
> will still be a moderated discussion.[/color]

But with thugs like you roaming the newsgroup, so will
threads here.
[color=blue]
> But then again within the topics you have picked up
> above there are only two questionable at first sight[/color]

Obviously, we disagree.
[color=blue]
> but one of them is part of a set and the other is
> terminology clarification.[/color]

"Part of a set"? What is that supposed to mean? And
since when is non-C++ specific terminology relevant
to a C++ newsgroup? What if I started asking about
cache memory? Or bus-mastering peripherals? Is
that type of terminology clarification on-topic?
[color=blue]
> [...]
> No. What makes you a troll is to provoke these.[/color]

I see. So when I say something antagnostic, it makes me
a troll. When you say something antagonistic, you were
"provoked". Now it makes sense.
[color=blue]
> [...]
> It was only trolling/silly to state that ANSI terminals are
> topical here.[/color]

Obviously, I wasn't vigorously defending the idea that
ANSI color codes were 100% topical. Hence, THE
SMILEY. And to say that I was trolling is ridiculously
cynical. You're the one that likes to start flame wars
whenever someone rubs you the wrong way. You're the
most disruptive poster on this newsgroup, so far as I can
tell. I would also be extremely suprised if the C++
committee allowed someone as unprofessional as
yourself participate in discussions. I would not be
suprised if you started cussing out committee members.
[color=blue]
> [...]
> Yeah. You have just described how trolls work. Look:
> people have started to correct you and not me, and that
> started the avalanche.[/color]

Well, I corrected you. But since you don't take correction
well, I've had to write a lot of posts. Now *that's* trolling!
[color=blue]
> [...]
> Sure. That is why I said that do not waste our time with
> trolling. We have to respond for a while to make sure
> newbies will not be mislead and sleeping troll encouraged
> by your fallacies.[/color]

I'm sure a veritable army of trolls was lurking in the
background, waiting for me, their troll leader, to sound the
charge so they could flood the newsgroup. It is only by
your brave resistance that my efforts have been thwarted!
[color=blue]
> Then we might killfile or ignore you if it seems to be
> hopeless to make you think.[/color]

Oh, waaah! You might ignore me!! Then what will I do?
I'll tell you what: I'll do a little dance...make a little love...
get down tonite! Ok, maybe I won't go that far, though
it might be cause for celebration all the same.
[color=blue]
> [...]
> Keeping the topicality of the group is not off-topic. And no,
> I am rather not, but I go in the order as posts show up and I
> feel that it is also my responsibility to keep this group on-topic.
> So it is yours.[/color]

I think you should appoint Kevin as the "official" moderator.
He can at least manage to get his point across without swearing
like a 1337 h@x0r punk. I gotta give him props for that.
[color=blue]
> [...]
> I read that too. But it starts to hit me that you actually
> suggest that people who want to discuss the C++ language
> in peace here should go away and that off-topic ranters and
> trolls stay. Do you see the Fe in it?[/color]

No, I suggest that the people who want to discuss the C++
language here should realize that you can't moderate an
unmoderated group. So for your own sanity, chill out a
little and let the world be imperfect now and then. It will
continue turning if a few off-topic posts slip through the
cracks.
[color=blue]
> [...]
> Means you are successfull in trolling?[/color]

Thanks to you! ;)
[color=blue]
> [...]
> Yes. But unfortunately in addition to this you have stated
> that all ANSI standards are topical here.[/color]

LOL!!! I think it's quite a stretch to draw that conclusion,
but you seem to be prone to drawing tenuous conclusions.
It's amazing what doctrines you have pulled out of a 5-line
paragraph. You have managed to conclude that:

1) I am a conservative or
2) I am an anarchist
3) My purpose here is to troll and cause anarchy
4) I think all ANSI standards are topical here
5) I think that color output is defined in ANSI C++
6) I want to liberalize the newsgroup guidelines
7) I think that ANSI terminals are entirely on-topic

In a few more posts, I expect you to blame me for the
holocaust and violence in society, based on my definitive
5-line paragraph.
[color=blue]
> [...][color=green]
> > If you have less time to answer interesting questions,
> > whose fault is that?[/color]
>
> Yours.[/color]

Mr. Matthews and Mr. Goodsell seem to have moved on.
Apparently, they're less fixated with pointing fingers than
they are with talking about C++.
[color=blue]
> [...]
> No. Stating obvious bullshit as truth does.
> It is the definition of trolling.[/color]

Hmm...like "color isn't defined in ANSI C++"? How about
"not all terminals display color"? I've seen a lot of "obvious
bs" stated here, not by me, and yet I seem to be the only
troll. Funny how that works.
[color=blue]
> Starting flame wars with such a flame bait does.[/color]

Well, you're the only one here engaged in a flame war.
How Mr. Goodsell and Mr. Matthews managed to avoid
that while you couldn't, I'm not sure. But obviously, it isn't
just about me.
[color=blue]
> [...][color=green]
> > The answer I gave *was* short, you gave no redirection,
> > and I never said it was on-topic.[/color]
>
> David:"No, but C++ is defined by an ANSI standard, it
> defines behaviour when outputting to a "C++ console", and
> ANSI defines how to make a console render text in different
> colors. So in a roundabout way, I don't think it's entirely
> off-topic."
>
> Short? Not rtue.[/color]

8 lines of text not counting blank lines or my signature is
not "short"?? What do you think is short? 1 line?
[color=blue]
> Never said it was on-topic? Not true.[/color]

No, I didn't. I said "I don't think it's entirely off-topic".
That is entirely different from saying it is "on-topic". Or
perhaps you think topicality is a binary measure.
[color=blue]
> WW:"Please post this question to a programming
> newsgroup dedicated to your platform."
>
> I never gave a redirection? Not true.[/color]

A redirection to where? What if the OP doesn't even
know where to find a newsgroup dedicated to his
platform? What if you asked a traffic cop for directions
to the store, and he told you: "Go in the direction of
the place that sells things." Would you call that a
successful "redirectio n"?
[color=blue][color=green]
> > Also, you apparently don't know what a smiley is.[/color]
>
> Apparently I do know.[/color]

Then you simply don't understand the notion of
tongue-in-cheek.
[color=blue][color=green]
> > [...]
> > Ask yourself if any of your posts might fall into that
> > category, and then ask yourself if you are being "part
> > of the problem or part of the solution".[/color]
>
> Unlike you I do that vefore I post.[/color]

I would be quite suprised if anyone were to come here
and see your posts and decide: "Wow. I like this group
because Attila makes sure all the posts are on-topic."
Rather, I would expect that many people come here
and say: "I'm not going to go there, because that White
Wolf might bite my head off."
[color=blue][color=green]
> > [...]
> > They read c.l.c++.m, like you should, if you only want to
> > see topical messages.[/color]
>
> I am sorry, but since when do you decide what do I read?[/color]

Since when did I decide what you read? I gave you a helpful
suggestion, but you don't seem to understand what those are.
[color=blue][color=green]
> > [...]
> > I defy you to show how I "encouraged " off-topic threads.[/color]
>
> Think. It might be unusual thing to do but believe me it is
> worth of it.
> [...][/color]

Oh, well when you put it that way, it's obvious that you were
right and I was wrong. Man, you're a good debater!

Dave

[WW]

Re: Console Colour

David B. Held wrote:
[trolling SNIPPED]

Does ignoring that he is ignored make an ignorant an ignoramus? Forget it.

I did not yet put you into my killfile to see if you still keep bashing me
behind my back as your last and most abject resort. You do. That put you
in place in my world had I have any doubts before. So long and thanks for
all the fish!

--
WW aka Attila