print "foo" without using ;

**Chris Dollin** · Nov 15 '05, 02:07 AM

Re: print "foo&qu ot; without using ;

Rajesh wrote:
[color=blue]
> I was informed tht $SUBJECT was asked in M$ interview. Real imp. is no.
> of ways to achive it.
> mine sol. was....
>
> int main()
> {
> if(printf("foo" ))
> { ; }
> else
> { ; }
>
> return(0);
> }
>
> (don't do tht stupid #define )[/color]

I hate to point this out [1], but your solution contains not
zero semicolons, but *three*.

As far as I can tell, any "solution" is at best stylistically
unsatisfactory.

--
Chris "electric hedgehog" Dollin
Stross won one! Farah won one! Langford won TWO!

**Rajesh** · Nov 15 '05, 02:07 AM

Re: print "foo&qu ot; without using ;

sorry for tht It was just a too much typo.... used too much to
semicolons

neglect that 'int main()' use 'void main()' and dike out those ';' in
if...else plz.
it works.

once again sorry for tht typo I swear :(

**Clark S. Cox III** · Nov 15 '05, 02:07 AM

Re: print "foo&qu ot; without using ;

On 2005-08-23 10:18:05 -0400, "Rajesh" <rajeshsbhide21 11@yahoo.co.in> said:
[color=blue]
> I was informed tht $SUBJECT was asked in M$ interview. Real imp. is no.
> of ways to achive it.
> mine sol. was....[/color]

First, why on earth are you abbreviating so much? I don't even know
what you mean by "imp."
Second, is it really too hard to spell the actual subject out in your message?
[color=blue]
> int main()
> {
> if(printf("foo" ))
> { ; }
> else
> { ; }
>
> return(0);
> }[/color]

Um, you failed. I count three semicolons.
[color=blue]
> (don't do tht stupid #define )[/color]

What stupid #define?

Try:

#include <stdio.h>
int main()
{
if(puts("foo")) {}
}

or

#include <stdio.h>
int main()
{
while(puts("foo "),0) {}
}

or

#include <stdio.h>
int main()
{
switch(puts("fo o"))
{
default: {}
}
}

or any of the variations on that theme.

--
Clark S. Cox, III
clarkcox3@gmail .com

**Carlos** · Nov 15 '05, 02:07 AM

Re: print "foo&qu ot; without using ;

Rajesh wrote:[color=blue]
> sorry for tht It was just a too much typo.... used too much to
> semicolons
>
> neglect that 'int main()' use 'void main()' and dike out those ';' in
> if...else plz.
> it works.
>
> once again sorry for tht typo I swear :(
>[/color]

I suspect that your garbage English isn't due to typos.

**Richard Bos** · Nov 15 '05, 02:07 AM

Re: print "foo&qu ot; without using ;

Clark S. Cox III <clarkcox3@gmai l.com> wrote:
[color=blue]
> On 2005-08-23 10:18:05 -0400, "Rajesh" <rajeshsbhide21 11@yahoo.co.in> said:
>[color=green]
> > I was informed tht $SUBJECT was asked in M$ interview. Real imp. is no.
> > of ways to achive it.
> > mine sol. was....[/color]
>
> First, why on earth are you abbreviating so much?[/color]

Because it's K3wLl!1!
[color=blue]
> Second, is it really too hard to spell the actual subject out in your message?[/color]

In fact, I doubt a Microsoft interviewer used (or, for that matter,
understood) non-Microsoft-style shell variables such as $SUBJECT.
[color=blue]
> Um, you failed.[/color]

From the word Go, never mind the semi-colons.
[color=blue]
> Try:
>
> #include <stdio.h>
> int main()
> {
> if(puts("foo")) {}
> }
>
> or[/color]

Or rather, don't try. I wouldn't consider hiring anyone whose first and
preferably only answer was "What on earth for? I prefer to write better
code than that." I wouldn't consider working for a company that asked
such interview questions. I'd rather flip burgers; at least McDonalds is
up front about not requiring more than imbecility from its staff.

Richard

**Kenneth Brody** · Nov 15 '05, 02:07 AM

Re: print "foo&qu ot; without using ;

Rajesh wrote:[color=blue]
>
> I was informed tht $SUBJECT was asked in M$ interview. Real imp. is no.
> of ways to achive it.
> mine sol. was....
>
> int main()
> {
> if(printf("foo" ))
> { ; }
> else
> { ; }
>
> return(0);
> }
>
> (don't do tht stupid #define )[/color]

Well, I see three semicolons in your code.

How about:

10 PRINT "foo"
20 END

Or:

<html><body>foo </body></html>

Or:

(defun foo ()
(format t "foo~%"))

Or:

++++++++++[>++++>+++++++++ +>+++++++<<<-][color=blue][color=green][color=darkred]
>>>++.<+.++++++ +..+++.<++++.<+ ++[>----<-]>.[/color][/color]
>++++++++.--------.+++.------.--------.<<+++[>++++<-]>++.<++++++++++ .[/color]

Oh, you wanted a solution in C. :-)

#include <stdio.h>

int main(int argc,char *argv[])
{
if ( printf("foo\n") )
{
}
}

--
+-------------------------+--------------------+-----------------------------+
| Kenneth J. Brody | www.hvcomputer.com | |
| kenbrody/at\spamcop.net | www.fptech.com | #include <std_disclaimer .h> |
+-------------------------+--------------------+-----------------------------+
Don't e-mail me at: <mailto:ThisIsA SpamTrap@gmail. com>

**akarl** · Nov 15 '05, 02:07 AM

Re: print "foo&qu ot; without using ;

Rajesh wrote:[color=blue]
> I was informed tht $SUBJECT was asked in M$ interview. Real imp. is no.
> of ways to achive it.
> mine sol. was....
>
> int main()
> {
> if(printf("foo" ))
> { ; }
> else
> { ; }
>
> return(0);
> }
>
> (don't do tht stupid #define )
>[/color]

It's impossible to write any complete program without using semicolon
since the `main' function requires a return statement.

August

**Mark** · Nov 15 '05, 02:07 AM

Re: print "foo&qu ot; without using ;

"akarl" <fusionfive@com hem.se> wrote in message
news:GSIOe.1448 45$dP1.500706@n ewsc.telia.net. ..[color=blue]
> Rajesh wrote:[color=green]
>> I was informed tht $SUBJECT was asked in M$ interview. Real imp. is no.
>> of ways to achive it.
>> mine sol. was....
>>
>> int main()
>> {
>> if(printf("foo" ))
>> { ; }
>> else
>> { ; }
>>
>> return(0);
>> }
>>
>> (don't do tht stupid #define )
>>[/color]
>
> It's impossible to write any complete program without using semicolon
> since the `main' function requires a return statement.[/color]

Do you have a copy of the standard (or final draft?)

5.1.2.2.3 - Program termination
.... 9) reaching the } that terminated the main function returns a value of 0

**Keith Thompson** · Nov 15 '05, 02:07 AM

Re: print "foo&qu ot; without using ;

akarl <fusionfive@com hem.se> writes:[color=blue]
> Rajesh wrote:[color=green]
>> I was informed tht $SUBJECT was asked in M$ interview. Real imp. is no.
>> of ways to achive it.
>> mine sol. was....
>> int main()
>> {
>> if(printf("foo" ))
>> { ; }
>> else
>> { ; }
>> return(0);
>> }
>> (don't do tht stupid #define )
>>[/color]
>
> It's impossible to write any complete program without using semicolon
> since the `main' function requires a return statement.[/color]

No, it doesn't. In C99, falling off the end of main() is equivalent
to executing "return 0;" (which is a misfeature IMHO). Even in C90,
you can use exit() rather than return.

The original question is stupid, but here's a solution anyway:

#include <stdio.h>
#include <stdlib.h>
int main(void)
{
if (puts("hello"), exit(0),0){}
}

--
Keith Thompson (The_Other_Keit h) kst-u@mib.org <http://www.ghoti.net/~kst>
San Diego Supercomputer Center <*> <http://users.sdsc.edu/~kst>
We must do something. This is something. Therefore, we must do this.

**Walter Roberson** · Nov 15 '05, 02:08 AM

Re: print "foo&qu ot; without using ;

In article <lnd5o44juj.fsf @nuthaus.mib.or g>,
Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> wrote:[color=blue]
>akarl <fusionfive@com hem.se> writes:[color=green]
>> Rajesh wrote:[color=darkred]
>>> I was informed tht $SUBJECT was asked in M$ interview.[/color][/color][/color]
[color=blue]
>No, it doesn't. In C99, falling off the end of main() is equivalent
>to executing "return 0;" (which is a misfeature IMHO). Even in C90,
>you can use exit() rather than return.[/color]
[color=blue]
>The original question is stupid, but here's a solution anyway:[/color]
[color=blue]
>#include <stdio.h>
>#include <stdlib.h>
>int main(void)
>{
> if (puts("hello"), exit(0),0){}
>}[/color]

If one supposes C89, then what would be the exit status if the puts()
fails?

Perhaps something like

if (puts("foo") && (exit(0),0) || (exit(0),0) ) {}

or

if ( puts("foo") ? exit(0),0 : exit(0),0 ) {}
--
"I will speculate that [...] applications [...] could actually see a
performance boost for most users by going dual-core [...] because it
is running the adware and spyware that [...] are otherwise slowing
down the single CPU that user has today" -- Herb Sutter

**Emmanuel Delahaye** · Nov 15 '05, 02:08 AM

Re: print "foo&qu ot; without using ;

akarl wrote on 23/08/05 :[color=blue]
> It's impossible to write any complete program without using semicolon since
> the `main' function requires a return statement.[/color]

It's possible in C99.

--
Emmanuel
The C-FAQ: http://www.eskimo.com/~scs/C-faq/faq.html
The C-library: http://www.dinkumware.com/refxc.html

..sig under repair

**Keith Thompson** · Nov 15 '05, 02:08 AM

Re: print "foo&qu ot; without using ;

roberson@ibd.nr c-cnrc.gc.ca (Walter Roberson) writes:[color=blue]
> In article <lnd5o44juj.fsf @nuthaus.mib.or g>,
> Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> wrote:[color=green]
>>akarl <fusionfive@com hem.se> writes:[color=darkred]
>>> Rajesh wrote:
>>>> I was informed tht $SUBJECT was asked in M$ interview.[/color][/color]
>[color=green]
>>No, it doesn't. In C99, falling off the end of main() is equivalent
>>to executing "return 0;" (which is a misfeature IMHO). Even in C90,
>>you can use exit() rather than return.[/color]
>[color=green]
>>The original question is stupid, but here's a solution anyway:[/color]
>[color=green]
>>#include <stdio.h>
>>#include <stdlib.h>
>>int main(void)
>>{
>> if (puts("hello"), exit(0),0){}
>>}[/color]
>
> If one supposes C89, then what would be the exit status if the puts()
> fails?[/color]

The exit status is 0 regardless of what puts() returns. The comma
operator imposes a sequence point and a left-to-right evaluation order
on its operands, but it doesn't short-circuit; both operands are
always evaluated.

--
Keith Thompson (The_Other_Keit h) kst-u@mib.org <http://www.ghoti.net/~kst>
San Diego Supercomputer Center <*> <http://users.sdsc.edu/~kst>
We must do something. This is something. Therefore, we must do this.

**Walter Roberson** · Nov 15 '05, 02:08 AM

Re: print "foo&qu ot; without using ;

In article <ln64tw4h1m.fsf @nuthaus.mib.or g>,
Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> wrote:[color=blue][color=green][color=darkred]
>>> if (puts("hello"), exit(0),0){}[/color][/color][/color]
[color=blue]
>The exit status is 0 regardless of what puts() returns. The comma
>operator imposes a sequence point and a left-to-right evaluation order
>on its operands, but it doesn't short-circuit; both operands are
>always evaluated.[/color]

Ah, right, I should have twigged onto that. Thanks.
--
The rule of thumb for speed is:

1. If it doesn't work then speed doesn't matter. -- Christian Bau

**akarl** · Nov 15 '05, 02:08 AM

Re: print "foo&qu ot; without using ;

Mark wrote:[color=blue]
> "akarl" <fusionfive@com hem.se> wrote in message
> news:GSIOe.1448 45$dP1.500706@n ewsc.telia.net. ..
>[color=green]
>>Rajesh wrote:
>>[color=darkred]
>>>I was informed tht $SUBJECT was asked in M$ interview. Real imp. is no.
>>>of ways to achive it.
>>>mine sol. was....
>>>
>>>int main()
>>>{
>>> if(printf("foo" ))
>>> { ; }
>>> else
>>> { ; }
>>>
>>>return(0);
>>>}
>>>
>>>(don't do tht stupid #define )
>>>[/color]
>>
>>It's impossible to write any complete program without using semicolon
>>since the `main' function requires a return statement.[/color]
>
>
> Do you have a copy of the standard (or final draft?)
>
> 5.1.2.2.3 - Program termination
> ... 9) reaching the } that terminated the main function returns a value of 0[/color]

OK, I didn't know that. Seems like quite a few people in this group has
complained when someone has posted a main function lacking a return
statement. Hence my impression of it being mandatory. Without a return
statement we can of course do something like

#include <stdio.h>

int main(void)
{
if (puts("foo")) {}
}

August

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