identity theft

[E. Robert Tisdale]

In article <1109278095.279 964.320810@g14g 2000cwa.googleg roups.com>,
E. Robert Tisdale <e.robert.tisda le@gmail.com> wrote:

Note that this is *not* <E.Robert.Tisda le@jpl.nasa.gov >.

[Default User]

Re: identity theft

E. Robert Tisdale wrote:
[color=blue]
> In article <1109278095.279 964.320810@g14g 2000cwa.googleg roups.com>,
> E. Robert Tisdale <e.robert.tisda le@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Note that this is not <E.Robert.Tisda le@jpl.nasa.gov >.[/color]

As if one wasn't bad enough.




Brian

[Keith Thompson]

Re: identity theft

"E. Robert Tisdale" <E.Robert.Tisda le@jpl.nasa.gov > writes:[color=blue]
> In article <1109278095.279 964.320810@g14g 2000cwa.googleg roups.com>,
> E. Robert Tisdale <e.robert.tisda le@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Note that this is *not* <E.Robert.Tisda le@jpl.nasa.gov >.[/color]

I'm posting this followup for those who have ERT killfiled.

It appears that someone has been posting as "E. Robert Tisdale"
<e.robert.tisda le@gmail.com>; ERT of JPL says (and I have no reason to
doubt) that this isn't him. (It did seem a bit odd that ERT would be
asking for a C99 tutorial.)

It's conceivable, I suppose, that this happens to be someone else with
the same name, but it's more likely that someone is attempting to
masquerade as ERT for some reason.

To whoever is posting as e.robert.tisdal e@gmail.com: Knock it off.
Post as yourself or under a pseudonym if you like, or not at all.
We've had our quarrels with the real ERT, but that doesn't mean we're
going to tolerate identity theft.

--
Keith Thompson (The_Other_Keit h) kst-u@mib.org <http://www.ghoti.net/~kst>
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[Old Wolf]

Re: identity theft

E. Robert Tisdale wrote:[color=blue]
> In article <1109278095.279 964.320810@g14g 2000cwa.googleg roups.com>,
> E. Robert Tisdale <e.robert.tisda le@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Note that this is *not* <E.Robert.Tisda le@jpl.nasa.gov >.[/color]

Obviously. His post wasn't a troll.

[CBFalconer]

Re: identity theft

"E. Robert Tisdale" wrote:[color=blue]
> E. Robert Tisdale <e.robert.tisda le@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Note that this is *not* <E.Robert.Tisda le@jpl.nasa.gov >.[/color]

Oh, maybe it is the new ERT, abandoning his trolling and
misinformation. We can always hope.

--
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[infobahn]

Re: identity theft

"E. Robert Tisdale" wrote:[color=blue]
>
> In article <1109278095.279 964.320810@g14g 2000cwa.googleg roups.com>,
> E. Robert Tisdale <e.robert.tisda le@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Note that this is *not* <E.Robert.Tisda le@jpl.nasa.gov >.[/color]

Did he (the gmail guy) claim that it was?

[Keith Thompson]

Re: identity theft

infobahn <infobahn@btint ernet.com> writes:[color=blue]
> "E. Robert Tisdale" wrote:[color=green]
>>
>> In article <1109278095.279 964.320810@g14g 2000cwa.googleg roups.com>,
>> E. Robert Tisdale <e.robert.tisda le@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Note that this is *not* <E.Robert.Tisda le@jpl.nasa.gov >.[/color]
>
> Did he (the gmail guy) claim that it was?[/color]

I think that using "e.robert.tisda le" as an e-mail address in a
newsgroup with a regular poster by that name is effectively such a
claim (unless, by a remarkable coincidence, the gmail.com user happens
to have the same name).

--
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We must do something. This is something. Therefore, we must do this.

[Richard Bos]

Re: identity theft

Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> wrote:
[color=blue]
> "E. Robert Tisdale" <E.Robert.Tisda le@jpl.nasa.gov > writes:[color=green]
> > In article <1109278095.279 964.320810@g14g 2000cwa.googleg roups.com>,
> > E. Robert Tisdale <e.robert.tisda le@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Note that this is *not* <E.Robert.Tisda le@jpl.nasa.gov >.[/color]
>
> I'm posting this followup for those who have ERT killfiled.
>
> It appears that someone has been posting as "E. Robert Tisdale"
> <e.robert.tisda le@gmail.com>; ERT of JPL says (and I have no reason to
> doubt) that this isn't him. (It did seem a bit odd that ERT would be
> asking for a C99 tutorial.)[/color]

However, the initial post in that thread (which does ask for "a textbook
to replace K&R2" that "should explain all of the new C99 features", and
has Message-ID <cvj8o0$qpm$1@n ntp1.jpl.nasa.g ov>) _is_ by ERT of JPL.
Only the follow-up comes from GMail.

Richard

[Ben Pfaff]

Re: identity theft

Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> writes:
[color=blue]
> I think that using "e.robert.tisda le" as an e-mail address in a
> newsgroup with a regular poster by that name is effectively such a
> claim (unless, by a remarkable coincidence, the gmail.com user happens
> to have the same name).[/color]

Do we even know that the guy with the JPL address has that name?
--
"I'm not here to convince idiots not to be stupid.
They won't listen anyway."
--Dann Corbit

[CBFalconer]

Re: identity theft

Keith Thompson wrote:[color=blue]
> infobahn <infobahn@btint ernet.com> writes:[color=green]
>> "E. Robert Tisdale" wrote:[color=darkred]
>>> E. Robert Tisdale <e.robert.tisda le@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Note that this is *not* <E.Robert.Tisda le@jpl.nasa.gov >.[/color]
>>
>> Did he (the gmail guy) claim that it was?[/color]
>
> I think that using "e.robert.tisda le" as an e-mail address in a
> newsgroup with a regular poster by that name is effectively such
> a claim (unless, by a remarkable coincidence, the gmail.com user
> happens to have the same name).[/color]

While I don't have any special sympathy for Trollsdale, any such
fake identity needs to be stomped on early and often on general
principles. It is actually pretty harmless, because I suspect a
large proportion of c.l.c regulars have ERT in the plonk bin
already.

Of course ERT should have complained to gmail in the first place.
In the past such free email accounts have been remarkably
cooperative in shutting down impersonators.

--
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"Reply" at the bottom of the article headers." - Keith Thompson

[Thomas Stegen]

Re: identity theft

Ben Pfaff wrote:[color=blue]
> Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> writes:
>
>[color=green]
>>I think that using "e.robert.tisda le" as an e-mail address in a
>>newsgroup with a regular poster by that name is effectively such a
>>claim (unless, by a remarkable coincidence, the gmail.com user happens
>>to have the same name).[/color]
>
>
> Do we even know that the guy with the JPL address has that name?[/color]

Whether E. Robert Tisdale is a real name or not of someone working
at JPL is highly irrelevant. It is by this handle we know this guy
and anyone using a "fake" handle with the same name to cause
confusion is in the wrong.

--
Thomas.

[Keith Thompson]

Re: identity theft

rlb@hoekstra-uitgeverij.nl (Richard Bos) writes:[color=blue]
> Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> wrote:
>[color=green]
>> "E. Robert Tisdale" <E.Robert.Tisda le@jpl.nasa.gov > writes:[color=darkred]
>> > In article <1109278095.279 964.320810@g14g 2000cwa.googleg roups.com>,
>> > E. Robert Tisdale <e.robert.tisda le@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > Note that this is *not* <E.Robert.Tisda le@jpl.nasa.gov >.[/color]
>>
>> I'm posting this followup for those who have ERT killfiled.
>>
>> It appears that someone has been posting as "E. Robert Tisdale"
>> <e.robert.tisda le@gmail.com>; ERT of JPL says (and I have no reason to
>> doubt) that this isn't him. (It did seem a bit odd that ERT would be
>> asking for a C99 tutorial.)[/color]
>
> However, the initial post in that thread (which does ask for "a textbook
> to replace K&R2" that "should explain all of the new C99 features", and
> has Message-ID <cvj8o0$qpm$1@n ntp1.jpl.nasa.g ov>) _is_ by ERT of JPL.
> Only the follow-up comes from GMail.
>
> Richard[/color]

A bit of searching on groups.google.c om shows 3 articles posted by
e.robert.tisdal e@gmail.com, all in comp.lang.c, and all within a few
minutes on February 24. The headers indicate that they were posted
through groups.google.c om from an ISP in Quebec.

--
Keith Thompson (The_Other_Keit h) kst-u@mib.org <http://www.ghoti.net/~kst>
San Diego Supercomputer Center <*> <http://users.sdsc.edu/~kst>
We must do something. This is something. Therefore, we must do this.

[Default User]

Re: identity theft

Old Wolf wrote:
[color=blue]
> E. Robert Tisdale wrote:[color=green]
> > In article <1109278095.279 964.320810@g14g 2000cwa.googleg roups.com>,
> > E. Robert Tisdale <e.robert.tisda le@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Note that this is not <E.Robert.Tisda le@jpl.nasa.gov >.[/color]
>
> Obviously. His post wasn't a troll.[/color]

ERT is a tough one to clone. I mean, how does one make posts more
trollish than the original?




Brian

[Mark McIntyre]

Re: identity theft

On Fri, 25 Feb 2005 08:27:59 GMT, in comp.lang.c , CBFalconer
<cbfalconer@yah oo.com> wrote:
[color=blue]
>Of course ERT should have complained to gmail in the first place.
>In the past such free email accounts have been remarkably
>cooperative in shutting down impersonators.[/color]

Its neither identity theft nor preventable. If either were the case, then
every older John Smith would be busy suing the parents of every younger
John Smith for identity theft.

Its identity theft when someone claims to be you, not when someone
coincidentally has the same name.

Or did personal names get copyright protection over the pond, along with
software, and I didn't notice? :-)




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[Keith Thompson]

Re: identity theft

Mark McIntyre <markmcintyre@s pamcop.net> writes:[color=blue]
> On Fri, 25 Feb 2005 08:27:59 GMT, in comp.lang.c , CBFalconer
> <cbfalconer@yah oo.com> wrote:
>[color=green]
>>Of course ERT should have complained to gmail in the first place.
>>In the past such free email accounts have been remarkably
>>cooperative in shutting down impersonators.[/color]
>
> Its neither identity theft nor preventable. If either were the case, then
> every older John Smith would be busy suing the parents of every younger
> John Smith for identity theft.
>
> Its identity theft when someone claims to be you, not when someone
> coincidentally has the same name.
>
> Or did personal names get copyright protection over the pond, along with
> software, and I didn't notice? :-)[/color]

If the gmail poster actually has the same name, it's obviously not
identity theft. If the name in question were "John Smith", a
coincidence of names would be likely.

But "E. Robert Tisdale" is not a common name, and the gmail user
posted using that name in the same thread that E. Robert Tisdale of
JPL had posted to. When I posted a followup, I didn't even notice the
site name; if I had, I would have assumed that ERT of JPL was simply
using a gmail address.

The most likely explanation is that someone, probably in Quebec, is
deliberately using a gmail.com address to masquerade as ERT. It might
even be a comp.lang.c regular trying to annoy ERT (for the record,
it's not me). I have no idea whether it's illegal or grounds for a
lawsuit, but it does appear to be a form of identify theft.

There are other possibilities. The gmail user could really be named
"E. Robert Tisdale" (and either didn't notice that there's already a
regular in this newsgroup with the same name, or didn't bother to
mention that he's not the same person). The real ERT of JPL could be
playing games with us (and has gone out of his way to post through an
ISP in Quebec, and is blatantly lying about not being the same
person). But I don't think either of these explanations is likely.

I agree that the real ERT should complain to gmail; perhaps he's
already done so.

At this point, the best thing for the fake ERT to do would be to just
go away. Since groups.google.c om still shows only 3 articles from the
gmail user, he or she may have already done so. I suggest dropping
this until or unless we hear something more on the topic from either
of the ERTs.

--
Keith Thompson (The_Other_Keit h) kst-u@mib.org <http://www.ghoti.net/~kst>
San Diego Supercomputer Center <*> <http://users.sdsc.edu/~kst>
We must do something. This is something. Therefore, we must do this.