Why does someone perfer #if defined to #ifdef

[lovecreatesbeauty]

Do #ifdef or #ifndef have some defects? I ever heard that some people
use #if defined() or #if !defined() instead of using #ifdef or #ifndef
in header file.

[Alf P. Steinbach]

Re: Why does someone perfer #if defined to #ifdef

* lovecreatesbeau ty:[color=blue]
> Do #ifdef or #ifndef have some defects? I ever heard that some people
> use #if defined() or #if !defined() instead of using #ifdef or #ifndef
> in header file.[/color]

#ifdef is a short form that doesn't allow more complex expressions.


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[Phlip]

Re: Why does someone perfer #if defined to #ifdef

lovecreatesbeau ty wrote:
[color=blue]
> Do #ifdef or #ifndef have some defects? I ever heard that some people
> use #if defined() or #if !defined() instead of using #ifdef or #ifndef
> in header file.[/color]

Indentifiers should be pronouncable, out-loud.

For example, someone had the brainless idea to prefix internet servers that
serve HTTP with 'www'. Nobody reviewed that prefix for pronouncability ,
meaning today radio personalities suffer when their programming formats
forbid "dub-dub-dub" or "triple-double-you". They must say "double-you
double-you double-you" all day.

So, read your code out loud, including the #ifdef, and listen for if it
makes sense...

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[Krishanu Debnath]

Re: Why does someone perfer #if defined to #ifdef

lovecreatesbeau ty wrote:[color=blue]
> Do #ifdef or #ifndef have some defects? I ever heard that some people
> use #if defined() or #if !defined() instead of using #ifdef or #ifndef
> in header file.
>[/color]

#ifdef is shorter form of #if defined. But #if defined offers you more
flexibility than #ifdef. e.g.

#if defined(x) || defined(y)
...
// code
#else
...
#endif

Above is not possible using #ifdef.

Krishanu

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[Chris Croughton]

Re: Why does someone perfer #if defined to #ifdef

On 20 Apr 2005 22:56:43 -0700, lovecreatesbeau ty
<lovecreatesbea uty@gmail.com> wrote:
[color=blue]
> Do #ifdef or #ifndef have some defects? I ever heard that some people
> use #if defined() or #if !defined() instead of using #ifdef or #ifndef
> in header file.[/color]

The only real 'defect' is that it's a single condition being tested.
This makes it fine for header file guards:

#ifndef H_MYHEADER
#define H_MYHEADER
...
#endif

but not so useful for complex conditions:

#ifdef HAVE_MYHEADER
# if VERSION > 3
...
# endif
#endif

can often more clearly be written:

#if defined(HAVE_MY HEADER) && VERSION > 3
...
#endif

It's largely a matter of style preference. I like the #ifndef for
header include guards because it's easy to see that the macro being
tested is immediately defined, but for complex conditions I generally
prefer using defined().

(Whether you do defined FRED or defined(FRED) is also a style issue,
I've worked in places where one is compulsory and the other forbidden
but there is no logical reason to prefer one to the other as far as I
can see.)

Chris C

[Chris Croughton]

Re: Why does someone perfer #if defined to #ifdef

On Thu, 21 Apr 2005 06:25:55 GMT, Phlip
<phlip_cpp@yaho o.com> wrote:
[color=blue]
> lovecreatesbeau ty wrote:
>[color=green]
>> Do #ifdef or #ifndef have some defects? I ever heard that some people
>> use #if defined() or #if !defined() instead of using #ifdef or #ifndef
>> in header file.[/color]
>
> Indentifiers should be pronouncable, out-loud.[/color]

I think hrvastki is pronouncable easily ("hash ifndef" even easier, as
in "pie'n'chip s"). But I have a Czech friend so I may have different
ideas about what is pronouncable <g>.
[color=blue]
> For example, someone had the brainless idea to prefix internet servers that
> serve HTTP with 'www'. Nobody reviewed that prefix for pronouncability ,
> meaning today radio personalities suffer when their programming formats
> forbid "dub-dub-dub" or "triple-double-you". They must say "double-you
> double-you double-you" all day.[/color]

It's easy in German: "vay vay vay". Not too bad in Cymraeg (Welsh): "oo
oo oo". In English I've heard "wuh wuh wuh"...
[color=blue]
> So, read your code out loud, including the #ifdef, and listen for if it
> makes sense...[/color]

I say a lot of code (not necessarily out loud, but I pronounce it to
myself). For instance:

x = (i > 1 ? fred : bill);

I say as "x equals if i greater than one then fred, else bill". Which
is a reason I tend to avoid very complex expressions, if I can't say it
clearly and meaningfully then it should probably be broken down into
simpler expressions.

In the case of nested #ifdefs being replaces by #if defined(...), the
same applies:

ifdef FRED then
ifdef BILL then
ifndef JOE
...

versus:

if defined FRED and defined BILL and not defined JOE ...

Chris C