Accelerated C++ book outdated?

**jeffc** · Jul 22 '05, 05:34 AM

Re: Accelerated C++ book outdated?

"Markus Dreyer" <spamgoeshere@s pam.com> wrote in message
news:opr147locg v3hdwn@news.jhu .edu...[color=blue]
> I suggested our Librarian for the University Library to buy
>
> Accelerated C++. Practical Programming by Example.
> by Andrew Koenig and Barbara E. Moo
> http://www.acceleratedcpp.com/
>
> but she replied saying it might be outdated, since it was published in
> 2000, and therefore not worth buying.[/color]

Now that seems to me to be a pretty clueless thing to say. I'll leave it to
the experts whether the book needs any updating due to very recent changes
in the language, however.

**David Rasmussen** · Jul 22 '05, 05:34 AM

Re: Accelerated C++ book outdated?

Markus Dreyer wrote:[color=blue]
> I suggested our Librarian for the University Library to buy
>
> Accelerated C++. Practical Programming by Example.
> by Andrew Koenig and Barbara E. Moo
> http://www.acceleratedcpp.com/
>
> but she replied saying it might be outdated, since it was published in
> 2000, and therefore not worth buying. I don't have the book, I just saw
> a lot of recommendations for it on the web. Do you think it's outdated?
> Is a new version planned? What is the best current book to learn C++
> quickly given you already have programming experience in another prog.
> language?
>[/color]

She doesn't know what she's talking about.
Accelerated C++ is not outdated. It is the best
book of it's kind. C++ was standardized in 1998
and haven't changed since. So the book is as up to
date as can be. And it is brilliant. Buy it!

/David

**Bryan Bullard** · Jul 22 '05, 05:35 AM

Re: Accelerated C++ book outdated?

"Markus Dreyer" <spamgoeshere@s pam.com> wrote in message
news:opr147locg v3hdwn@news.jhu .edu...

perhaps you should consulting your faculty.
[color=blue]
> I suggested our Librarian for the University Library to buy
>
> Accelerated C++. Practical Programming by Example.
> by Andrew Koenig and Barbara E. Moo
> http://www.acceleratedcpp.com/
>
> but she replied saying it might be outdated, since it was published in
> 2000, and therefore not worth buying. I don't have the book, I just saw a
> lot of recommendations for it on the web. Do you think it's outdated? Is a
> new version planned? What is the best current book to learn C++ quickly
> given you already have programming experience in another prog. language?
>[/color]

**Mike Smith** · Jul 22 '05, 05:35 AM

Re: Accelerated C++ book outdated?

Markus Dreyer wrote:
[color=blue]
> I suggested our Librarian for the University Library to buy
>
> Accelerated C++. Practical Programming by Example.
> by Andrew Koenig and Barbara E. Moo
> http://www.acceleratedcpp.com/
>
> but she replied saying it might be outdated, since it was published in
> 2000, and therefore not worth buying.[/color]

Your librarian is a C++ expert? Wow. Is she cute? ;-)

--
Mike Smith

**Jonathan Turkanis** · Jul 22 '05, 05:35 AM

Re: Accelerated C++ book outdated?

"David Rasmussen" <david.rasmusse n@gmx.net> wrote in message
news:bumtp8$mn7 $1@news.net.uni-c.dk...
[color=blue]
>
> She doesn't know what she's talking about.
> Accelerated C++ is not outdated. It is the best
> book of it's kind. C++ was standardized in 1998
> and haven't changed since. So the book is as up to
> date as can be. And it is brilliant. Buy it!
>[/color]

I agree with you entierly that the librarian is wrong; Bying a book on
C++ from 2000 isn't like buying a Visual Studio reference from 2000.
However, C++ has changed (a bit) since 1998.

Jonathan

**E. Robert Tisdale** · Jul 22 '05, 05:35 AM

Re: Accelerated C++ book outdated?

Markus Dreyer wrote:
[color=blue]
> I suggested our Librarian for the University Library to buy
>
> Accelerated C++. Practical Programming by Example.
> by Andrew Koenig and Barbara E. Moo[/color]

[color=blue]
> http://www.acceleratedcpp.com/[/color]
[color=blue]
> but she replied saying that it might be outdated
> since it was published in 2000, and therefore not worth buying.[/color]

That's probably correct.
[color=blue]
> I don't have the book.
> I just saw a lot of recommendations for it on the web.
> Do you think that it's outdated? Is a new version planned?[/color]

Andrew may want to answer this.
[color=blue]
> What is the best current book to learn C++ quickly given that
> you already have programming experience
> in another programming language?[/color]

"The C++ Programming Language: Third Edition" by Bjarne Stroustrup.

**Jonathan Turkanis** · Jul 22 '05, 05:35 AM

Re: Accelerated C++ book outdated?

"E. Robert Tisdale" <E.Robert.Tisda le@jpl.nasa.gov > wrote in message
news:400F06F7.6 050004@jpl.nasa .gov...[color=blue]
> Markus Dreyer wrote:
>[/color]

[The is for the benefit of the OP. Robert, there's no need to respond]

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>[color=green]
> > What is the best current book to learn C++ quickly given that
> > you already have programming experience
> > in another programming language?[/color]
>
> "The C++ Programming Language: Third Edition" by Bjarne Stroustrup.
>[/color]

The third edition came out in 1997, before the standard was finalized.
There are a number of places where statements in the third edition do
not agree with the standard (addressed throroughly on Bjarne's
website.)

The most recent edition, I believe, is from 2000.

All three are excellent. The idea that Accelerated C++ is outdated is
ridiculous.

**E. Robert Tisdale** · Jul 22 '05, 05:35 AM

Re: Accelerated C++ book outdated?

Jonathan Turkanis wrote:
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> E. Robert Tisdale wrote:
>[color=green]
>>"The C++ Programming Language: Third Edition" by Bjarne Stroustrup.[/color]
>
> The third edition came out in 1997, before the standard was finalized.
> There are a number of places where statements in the third edition do
> not agree with the standard (addressed thoroughly on Bjarne's
> website.)
>
> The most recent edition, I believe, is from 2000.
>
> All three are excellent.
> The idea that Accelerated C++ is outdated is ridiculous.[/color]

In view of the fact that a new ANSI/ISO C++ standard has been drafted,
*all* of these texts are "outdated".

**Jonathan Turkanis** · Jul 22 '05, 05:35 AM

Re: Accelerated C++ book outdated?

"E. Robert Tisdale" <E.Robert.Tisda le@jpl.nasa.gov > wrote in message
news:400F1B38.5 010906@jpl.nasa .gov...[color=blue]
> Jonathan Turkanis wrote:
>[/color]
[color=blue]
>
> In view of the fact that a new ANSI/ISO C++ standard has been[/color]
drafted,[color=blue]
> *all* of these texts are "outdated".
>[/color]

See my original post.

**Howard Hinnant** · Jul 22 '05, 05:35 AM

Re: Accelerated C++ book outdated?

In article <opr147locgv3hd wn@news.jhu.edu >,
Markus Dreyer <spamgoeshere@s pam.com> wrote:
[color=blue]
> I suggested our Librarian for the University Library to buy
>
> Accelerated C++. Practical Programming by Example.
> by Andrew Koenig and Barbara E. Moo
> http://www.acceleratedcpp.com/
>
> but she replied saying it might be outdated, since it was published in
> 2000, and therefore not worth buying. I don't have the book, I just saw a
> lot of recommendations for it on the web. Do you think it's outdated? Is a
> new version planned? What is the best current book to learn C++ quickly
> given you already have programming experience in another prog. language?
>[/color]

Accelerated C++ is the best beginner's C++ book on the market today.
Highly recommended. Own a copy of it myself. If I wanted to teach a
basic C++ course today, I would definitely use this book as the course
text.

Howard Hinnant
Metrowerks

Member of C++ standards committee.
painfully aware of every little change since 2000 and responsible for a
few of them myself.

**Bjarne Stroustrup** · Jul 22 '05, 05:35 AM

Re: Accelerated C++ book outdated?

"E. Robert Tisdale" <E.Robert.Tisda le@jpl.nasa.gov > wrote in message news:<400F06F7. 6050004@jpl.nas a.gov>...[color=blue]
> Markus Dreyer wrote:
>[color=green]
> > I suggested our Librarian for the University Library to buy
> >
> > Accelerated C++. Practical Programming by Example.
> > by Andrew Koenig and Barbara E. Moo[/color]
>
>[color=green]
> > http://www.acceleratedcpp.com/[/color]
>[color=green]
> > but she replied saying that it might be outdated
> > since it was published in 2000, and therefore not worth buying.[/color]
>
> That's probably correct.[/color]

It is not. AC++ is still far more up-to-date than most C++ books. it
is an excellent book that is not likely to be outdated any year soon.
In particular, it describes ISO Standard C++, which does not change
often, rather than some proprietary system.

[color=blue][color=green]
> > I don't have the book.
> > I just saw a lot of recommendations for it on the web.
> > Do you think that it's outdated? Is a new version planned?[/color]
>
> Andrew may want to answer this.
>[color=green]
> > What is the best current book to learn C++ quickly given that
> > you already have programming experience
> > in another programming language?[/color]
>
> "The C++ Programming Language: Third Edition" by Bjarne Stroustrup.[/color]

**E. Robert Tisdale** · Jul 22 '05, 05:35 AM

Re: Accelerated C++ book outdated?

Bjarne Stroustrup wrote:
[color=blue]
> I wrote:
>[color=green]
>>Markus Dreyer wrote:
>>[color=darkred]
>>>I suggested our Librarian for the University Library to buy
>>>
>>>Accelerate d C++. Practical Programming by Example.
>>>by Andrew Koenig and Barbara E. Moo[/color]
>>[color=darkred]
>>> http://www.acceleratedcpp.com/[/color]
>>[color=darkred]
>>>but she replied saying that it might be outdated
>>>since it was published in 2000, and therefore not worth buying.[/color]
>>
>>That's probably correct.[/color]
>
> It is not. AC++ is still far more up-to-date than most C++ books.
> It is an excellent book
> that is not likely to be outdated any year soon.
> In particular, it describes ISO Standard C++, which does not change
> which does not change often rather than some proprietary system.[/color]

Exactly how often must the ISO C++ Standard change
before the current textbooks are "outdated"? :-)

Should I got out and buy a new copy of
"The C++ Programming Language: Third Edition"
to replace the worn and dogeared copy that I am using now?
Or should I wait for the "Fourth Edition"?

I'm sure that Markus Dreyer's University Librarian
would appreciate a little guidance here.
She doesn't want to buy an expensive new textbook
that may sit neglected on her shelf after Andrew and Barbara
publish their latest, more up-to-date edition.
Can you tell her whether or not she should expect new editions
of "The C++ Programming Language" or "Accelerate d C++"?

**David Rasmussen** · Jul 22 '05, 05:36 AM

Re: Accelerated C++ book outdated?

Jonathan Turkanis wrote:[color=blue]
>
> I agree with you entierly that the librarian is wrong; Bying a book on
> C++ from 2000 isn't like buying a Visual Studio reference from 2000.
> However, C++ has changed (a bit) since 1998.
>[/color]

What are the changes?

/David

**David Rasmussen** · Jul 22 '05, 05:36 AM

Re: Accelerated C++ book outdated?

E. Robert Tisdale wrote:[color=blue]
>[color=green]
>> but she replied saying that it might be outdated
>> since it was published in 2000, and therefore not worth buying.[/color]
>
> That's probably correct.
>[/color]

Why??
[color=blue]
>[color=green]
>> What is the best current book to learn C++ quickly given that
>> you already have programming experience
>> in another programming language?[/color]
>
> "The C++ Programming Language: Third Edition" by Bjarne Stroustrup.
>[/color]

This is lousy advice. TC++PL isn't the best book to "learn C++ quickly".
I'd still say AC++.

/David

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