Calling static member function through object instance

[Joost Ronkes Agerbeek]

Why is it allowed in C++ to call a static member function of an object
through an instance of that object? Is it just convenience?

tia,
Joost Ronkes Agerbeek

[Janusz Szpilewski]

Re: Calling static member function through object instance

Joost Ronkes Agerbeek wrote:[color=blue]
> Why is it allowed in C++ to call a static member function of an object
> through an instance of that object? Is it just convenience?
>[/color]

Static member functions primarily follow the invocation convention for
member functions. However as they may be invoked without constructing
any object the extra syntax (qualified id) is provided for this case.

Regards,
Janusz

[jeffc]

Re: Calling static member function through object instance


"Joost Ronkes Agerbeek" <joost@ronkes.n l> wrote in message
news:4005192f$0 $314$e4fe514c@n ews.xs4all.nl.. .[color=blue]
> Why is it allowed in C++ to call a static member function of an object
> through an instance of that object? Is it just convenience?[/color]

I think the question might be answered if you asked a different question.
If I were to ask you why it should NOT be allowed, what would you say?

[Joost Ronkes Agerbeek]

Re: Calling static member function through object instance

> I think the question might be answered if you asked a different question.[color=blue]
> If I were to ask you why it should NOT be allowed, what would you say?[/color]
I would say that, were it not allowed, it would always be clear whether a
call was to a static member or a non-static member.

Part of what brought up this question for me was a passage in A Programmer's
Introduction to C# by Eric Gunnerson regarding calls to static methods
(p.66): "This is unlike the C++ behavior where a static member can be
accessed either through the class name or the instance name. In C++, this
leads to some readability problems, as it's sometimes not clear from the
code whether an access is static or through an instance."

By the way, I sent a reply to Janusz, but accidentely sent it to him in
person instead of to the newsgroup. Here is my reply and his reply to that
reply. (I removed the offending button in my newsreader ;-).)

Thanks for your insights.

Joost

Joost Ronkes Agerbeek wrote:[color=blue]
> Isn't it the other way around? Static member functions operate on the[/color]
class,[color=blue]
> not the object, so you have to write object::static_ function() but for
> convenience you can also write instance.static _function(). I know C#[/color]
doesn't[color=blue]
> allow invoking a member function on an object instance: you have to use[/color]
the[color=blue]
> class so that it is always clear you are calling a static member function.
> This triggered my original question: if there is an explicit reason the
> designers of C# don't allow static member invocation through an instance,
> then the designers of C++ must also have a reason why they do allow static
> member invocation through an instance, but what is it?[/color]

Hard to speak in the name of C++ designers, however in the C++ standard
(9.4/2) one may find the following statement:

"A static member s of class X may be referred to using the qualified-id
expression X::s; it is not necessary to use the class member access
syntax. (5.2.5)"

5.2.5 says about . -> type access

Some paragraphs before discuss class member access in general and from
that perspective one may think of static members as a special case
following the general concept as close as possible.
AFAIK static member functions were not present in C++ from the beginning
and were added somewhat later. So they were expected not to introduce
too many changes.

So I think it may be the reason of differences between C++ (and Java I
think) and C#. The first attitude focuses on keeping language concepts
consistent, fitting static member functions in the scope of member
functions and the second keeps clean programming style in mind.

Regards,
Janusz

[jeffc]

Re: Calling static member function through object instance


"Joost Ronkes Agerbeek" <joost@ronkes.n l> wrote in message
news:40064abd$0 $333$e4fe514c@n ews.xs4all.nl.. .[color=blue][color=green]
> > I think the question might be answered if you asked a different[/color][/color]
question.[color=blue][color=green]
> > If I were to ask you why it should NOT be allowed, what would you say?[/color][/color]
[color=blue]
> I would say that, were it not allowed, it would always be clear whether a
> call was to a static member or a non-static member.
>
> Part of what brought up this question for me was a passage in A[/color]
Programmer's[color=blue]
> Introduction to C# by Eric Gunnerson regarding calls to static methods
> (p.66): "This is unlike the C++ behavior where a static member can be
> accessed either through the class name or the instance name. In C++, this
> leads to some readability problems, as it's sometimes not clear from the
> code whether an access is static or through an instance."[/color]

Bjarne Stroustrup wrote a book about the design choices for the C++
language - you might find a definitive answer there. I've thought for about
5 seconds and don't have an idea about a case where that confusion might
cause a problem, but there might well be one.

[E. Robert Tisdale]

Re: Calling static member function through object instance

Joost Ronkes Agerbeek wrote:
[color=blue]
> Why is it allowed in C++ to call a static member function of an object
> through an instance of that object? Is it just convenience?[/color]

It is *not* allowed.
[color=blue]
> Is it just convenience?[/color]

[Robert Paul Clark]

Re: Calling static member function through object instance

It is allowed. For convenience is probably the best answer.

Example:
#include <iostream>

class A
{
public:
static void foo() { std::cout << "foobar" << std::endl; };
};

int
main()
{
A a;
a.foo();
}

Output: foobar

E. Robert Tisdale wrote:[color=blue]
> Joost Ronkes Agerbeek wrote:
>[color=green]
>> Why is it allowed in C++ to call a static member function of an object
>> through an instance of that object? Is it just convenience?[/color]
>
>
> It is *not* allowed.
>[color=green]
>> Is it just convenience?[/color]
>
>[/color]

[Dario]

Re: Calling static member function through object instance

Even the following code works!

#include <cstdio>
class A {
public:
static void foo() { printf("Hello world.\n"); };
};
int main() {
A* a[10];
int i;
for(i=0; i<10; i++)
a[i] = 0;
a[5]->foo();
a[50]->foo();
}

[Karl Heinz Buchegger]

Re: Calling static member function through object instance

Dario wrote:[color=blue]
>
> Even the following code works![/color]

But *this* code is illegal.
[color=blue]
>
> #include <cstdio>
> class A {
> public:
> static void foo() { printf("Hello world.\n"); };
> };
> int main() {
> A* a[10];
> int i;
> for(i=0; i<10; i++)
> a[i] = 0;
> a[5]->foo();
> a[50]->foo();[/color]

you are dereferencing a 0-pointer.
And this is always a no-no, even if
your specific system does *not* crash.

--
Karl Heinz Buchegger
kbuchegg@gascad .at

[Dario]

Re: Calling static member function through object instance

Karl Heinz Buchegger wrote:[color=blue]
> Dario wrote:
>[color=green]
>> Even the following code works![/color]
>
>
> But *this* code is illegal.
>
>[color=green]
>> #include <cstdio>
>> class A {
>> public:
>> static void foo() { printf("Hello world.\n"); };
>> };
>> int main() {
>> A* a[10];
>> int i;
>> for(i=0; i<10; i++)
>> a[i] = 0;
>> a[5]->foo();
>> a[50]->foo();[/color]
>
>
> you are dereferencing a 0-pointer.
> And this is always a no-no, even if
> your specific system does *not* crash.[/color]

No !

When I evaluate
a[5]->foo()
a[5] is 0 but this does not matter
because foo is a static member;
a[50]->foo()
a[50] is whatever but this does not matter
because foo is a static member.

So my program is legal and works for every C++ compiler.

- Dario

[Karl Heinz Buchegger]

Re: Calling static member function through object instance

Dario wrote:[color=blue]
>[/color]
[color=blue][color=green]
> > you are dereferencing a 0-pointer.
> > And this is always a no-no, even if
> > your specific system does *not* crash.[/color]
>
> No ![/color]

Yes.
Read your code.
[color=blue]
>
> When I evaluate
> a[5]->foo()
> a[5] is 0 but this does not matter
> because foo is a static member;
> a[50]->foo()
> a[50] is whatever but this does not matter
> because foo is a static member.
>
> So my program is legal and works for every C++ compiler.[/color]

It is not legal, read the standard.
It doesn't matter if your compiler doesn't need
to dereference the pointer to call this function
under the hood. Your source code contains the
dereference and hence it is an illegal program.

--
Karl Heinz Buchegger
kbuchegg@gascad .at

[Jerry Coffin]

Re: Calling static member function through object instance

In article <bu8950$oid$1@g rillo.cs.interb usiness.it>,
dario@despammed .com says...

[ ... ]
[color=blue][color=green]
> > you are dereferencing a 0-pointer.
> > And this is always a no-no, even if
> > your specific system does *not* crash.[/color]
>
> No !
>
> When I evaluate
> a[5]->foo()
> a[5] is 0 but this does not matter
> because foo is a static member;[/color]

This is utterly irrelevant -- 5.2.5/1 says "the expression before the
dot or arrow is evaluated". Footnote 58 explicitly states that "This
evaluation happens even if the result is unnecessary to determine the
value of the entire postfix expression, for example if the id-expression
denotes a static member."

As such, you're assured that this dereferences a null pointer, which
gives undefined behavior.
[color=blue]
> So my program is legal and works for every C++ compiler.[/color]

Your program contains undefined behavior. If your definition of
"works" includes the possibility of crashing the computer, reformatting
the hard drive or making demons fly out of your nose, then you're right:
it works for every C++ compiler. Anybody who has a stricter definition
of work will want to avoid this construct.

--
Later,
Jerry.

The universe is a figment of its own imagination.

[Andy Buchanan]

Re: Calling static member function through object instance

On Thu, 15 Jan 2004 11:11:46 -0500, "jeffc" <nobody@nowhere .com>
wrote:[color=blue]
>"Joost Ronkes Agerbeek" <joost@ronkes.n l> wrote in message
>news:40064abd$ 0$333$e4fe514c@ news.xs4all.nl. ..[color=green][color=darkred]
>> > I think the question might be answered if you asked a different[/color][/color]
>question.[color=green][color=darkred]
>> > If I were to ask you why it should NOT be allowed, what would you say?[/color][/color]
>[color=green]
>> I would say that, were it not allowed, it would always be clear whether a
>> call was to a static member or a non-static member.
>>
>> Part of what brought up this question for me was a passage in A[/color]
>Programmer's[color=green]
>> Introduction to C# by Eric Gunnerson regarding calls to static methods
>> (p.66): "This is unlike the C++ behavior where a static member can be
>> accessed either through the class name or the instance name. In C++, this
>> leads to some readability problems, as it's sometimes not clear from the
>> code whether an access is static or through an instance."[/color]
>
>Bjarne Stroustrup wrote a book about the design choices for the C++
>language - you might find a definitive answer there. I've thought for about
>5 seconds and don't have an idea about a case where that confusion might
>cause a problem, but there might well be one.[/color]

It caught me out (shockingly recently), somehow I managed to miss the
whole call via instance mechanism for the 8+ years I've used c++, I
always used the :: form and I never saw anyone else do otherwise....

class BlahBlah
{
public:
BlahBlah& Instance(); // some sort of singleton i/f

private:
static void Eot( Client* client, int flags, void* uopt )
{
// Mistaken assumption: overload resolution calls
// the non-static member ( due to implicit 'this' )
// Actual behaviour: Recursive call & hang!
Instance().Eot( client, flags, uopt );
}
void Eot( Client* client, int flags, void* uopt );
};

In case you're wondering this was just code to interface
to a 3rd party C lib that used callbacks (yuk). Usually I would have
had different names for the two Eot() functions, but not this
time for some reason.

I would have thought the compiler might have determined
the Eot call to be amibiguous, but it didn't ( Compiler was a gcc
2.95.x derivitive.). Does a static member function rate higher
than an ordinary member function in overload resolution?

[Bjarne Stroustrup]

Re: Calling static member function through object instance

Andy Buchanan <news@globbits. co.uk> wrote in message news:<qusm00drg qgjip58kehcpp24 mvufdig6od@4ax. com>...[color=blue]
> On Thu, 15 Jan 2004 11:11:46 -0500, "jeffc" <nobody@nowhere .com>
> wrote:[color=green]
> >"Joost Ronkes Agerbeek" <joost@ronkes.n l> wrote in message
> >news:40064abd$ 0$333$e4fe514c@ news.xs4all.nl. ..[color=darkred]
> >> > I think the question might be answered if you asked a different[/color][/color]
> question.[color=green][color=darkred]
> >> > If I were to ask you why it should NOT be allowed, what would you say?[/color][/color]
>[color=green][color=darkred]
> >> I would say that, were it not allowed, it would always be clear whether a
> >> call was to a static member or a non-static member.
> >>
> >> Part of what brought up this question for me was a passage in A[/color][/color]
> Programmer's[color=green][color=darkred]
> >> Introduction to C# by Eric Gunnerson regarding calls to static methods
> >> (p.66): "This is unlike the C++ behavior where a static member can be
> >> accessed either through the class name or the instance name. In C++, this
> >> leads to some readability problems, as it's sometimes not clear from the
> >> code whether an access is static or through an instance."[/color]
> >
> >Bjarne Stroustrup wrote a book about the design choices for the C++
> >language - you might find a definitive answer there. I've thought for about
> >5 seconds and don't have an idea about a case where that confusion might
> >cause a problem, but there might well be one.[/color][/color]

The reason for allowing p->static_member_ function(); is exactly not to
require a user to remember if a function is static or not. Why should
the user care, except in the case where he/she wants to call without
an object?

[color=blue]
> It caught me out (shockingly recently), somehow I managed to miss the
> whole call via instance mechanism for the 8+ years I've used c++, I
> always used the :: form and I never saw anyone else do otherwise....
>
> class BlahBlah
> {
> public:
> BlahBlah& Instance(); // some sort of singleton i/f
>
> private:
> static void Eot( Client* client, int flags, void* uopt )
> {
> // Mistaken assumption: overload resolution calls
> // the non-static member ( due to implicit 'this' )
> // Actual behaviour: Recursive call & hang!
> Instance().Eot( client, flags, uopt );
> }
> void Eot( Client* client, int flags, void* uopt );
> };
>
> In case you're wondering this was just code to interface
> to a 3rd party C lib that used callbacks (yuk). Usually I would have
> had different names for the two Eot() functions, but not this
> time for some reason.
>
> I would have thought the compiler might have determined
> the Eot call to be amibiguous, but it didn't ( Compiler was a gcc
> 2.95.x derivitive.). Does a static member function rate higher
> than an ordinary member function in overload resolution?[/color]

No. That declaration is illegal. From the standard:

"[class.static.mf ct] 9.4.1 Static member functions

There shall not be a static and a nonstatic member function with the
same name
and the same parameter types (13.1)."

This has always been the rule. Without that rule, people could get
into all kinds of nasty problems.

It is always most anoying when a compiler fails to implement a clear
and simple language rule.

- Bjarne Stroustrup; http://www.research.att.com/~bs

[Old Wolf]

Re: Calling static member function through object instance

> > When I evaluate[color=blue][color=green]
> > a[5]->foo()
> > a[5] is 0 but this does not matter
> > because foo is a static member;[/color]
>
> This is utterly irrelevant -- 5.2.5/1 says "the expression before the
> dot or arrow is evaluated". Footnote 58 explicitly states that "This
> evaluation happens even if the result is unnecessary to determine the
> value of the entire postfix expression, for example if the id-expression
> denotes a static member."
>
> As such, you're assured that this dereferences a null pointer, which
> gives undefined behavior.[/color]

Your quote is irrelevant. "the expression before the dot or arrow"
is "a[5]". This is easy to evaluate: 0
You will have to look elsewhere in the Standard to find a definitive
answer.
Next question: what is the difference, if any, between:
a[5]->foo()
(*a[5]).foo()