Static methods ?

[chandu]

hello,

i want to know usage of static methods in a class.
is it advantageous or disadvantage to use more static methods in a class.

thank u

[Bruce Wood]

Re: Static methods ?

chandu wrote:

hello,
>
i want to know usage of static methods in a class.
is it advantageous or disadvantage to use more static methods in a class.

Static methods are useful when all of the information needed in order
to perform a calculation (logic) can be passed as arguments to the
method. So, the method does not need any of the object's state (fields)
in order to do its work.

I prefer static methods when I have some business logic / calculation
that needs only a few pieces of information (parameters), because when
I see the keyword "static" I know that I don't have to read the method
to see what bits of the object's state it uses (or modifies).
Everything is in the parameter list.

(Of course, a static method can make use of static state, but then IMHO
a class with more than a few items of static state is starting to look
more like something that should be a singleton.)

That said, programming with lots of static methods and avoiding
instance methods smacks of structured programming... someone who hasn't
quite graduated into the object-oriented world. Many times what are
written as static methods really belong as instance methods on one of
the parameters' types. For example, a static method that takes as one
of its parameters a class that you wrote... you should consider the
possibility of making it an instance method of that class and see if
that makes more sense. It's nicer to call myString.Trim() rather than
String.Trim(myS tring), even though both implementations are possible. I
usually ask myself, "Is this static method really an operation on some
object?" Sometimes the answer is yes, sometimes it's no.

Like any other tool, static methods have their uses. Don't be afraid of
them, but then don't overuse them, either.

[Michael C]

Re: Static methods ?

"chandu" <nareshv_chandr a@hotmail.comwr ote in message
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hello,
>
i want to know usage of static methods in a class.
is it advantageous or disadvantage to use more static methods in a class.

Depends on the class, some classes have only static methods while others
have none. Like any feature it's advantageous to use it appropriately.

>
thank u
>

[Champika Nirosh]

Re: Static methods ?

Static method cost performance, but can be thread safe.
Static method preserve its previous state

I would use static method, when ...
I need to issolately allow other modules, systems to access a method without
creating a instance of a class.
I need to make a mehtod that store its previuos status
When I deal with multithreaded application
When Impliementing Singleton and factory pattern
When I need to share many public methods accross multiple systems where each
system may or may not use all the method of the class

Nirosh.



"chandu" <nareshv_chandr a@hotmail.comwr ote in message
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hello,
>
i want to know usage of static methods in a class.
is it advantageous or disadvantage to use more static methods in a class.
>
thank u
>

[KH]

Re: Static methods ?

Static method cost performance, but can be thread safe.

Static method preserve its previous state

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How are static methods less performant than instance methods? They're the
same, not just in performance, but literally - instance methods are just
static methods with a pointer to the instance passed in behind the scenes.
And all methods can be thread-safe -- see the MethodImplAttri bute attribute.

Use static methods when you don't need to maintain state between calls --
i.e. the method doesn't use any of the class's fields to do its work. The
Math class is a good example.


"Champika Nirosh" wrote:

Static method cost performance, but can be thread safe.
Static method preserve its previous state
>
I would use static method, when ...
I need to issolately allow other modules, systems to access a method without
creating a instance of a class.
I need to make a mehtod that store its previuos status
When I deal with multithreaded application
When Impliementing Singleton and factory pattern
When I need to share many public methods accross multiple systems where each
system may or may not use all the method of the class
>
Nirosh.
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"chandu" <nareshv_chandr a@hotmail.comwr ote in message
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hello,

i want to know usage of static methods in a class.
is it advantageous or disadvantage to use more static methods in a class.

thank u

>
>
>

[Bruce Wood]

Re: Static methods ?

Champika Nirosh wrote:

Static method cost performance, but can be thread safe.
Static method preserve its previous state

Another poster has already pointed out that static methods have no
performance benefits or drawbacks over instance methods. In fact,
static methods can be _more_ performant than instance methods if the
instance methods in question are virtual / overridden. Static methods
never required a v-table lookup (sorry for the C++ terminology... you
all know what I mean). Of course, if the instance method is not virtual
/ overridden then there is no difference at all.

However, the idea that static methods preserve their previous state is
not true at all.

Any method, static or instance, can "preserve its previous state" if it
wants to. Instance methods can alter the state (fields) of the object
instance on which they're operating. Static methods can alter static
state (static fields). The latter, however, is easily overused and
should be employed with caution. That is to say, if you have a static
class with lots of static fields (static state) then you're probably
overusing the idiom and should be looking at an instance idiom instead.

Most static methods do _not_, in fact, store static state from one call
to the next. They are, instead, pure calculation on only the provided
arguments. That is the way in which I find them most useful, personally.

[Champika Nirosh]

Re: Static methods ?

See my comments

I just wrongly directed myself thinking that he is asking about a more
general question about Static modifier

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Champika Nirosh wrote:

>Static method cost performance, but can be thread safe.
>Static method preserve its previous state

>
Another poster has already pointed out that static methods have no
performance benefits or drawbacks over instance methods. In fact,
static methods can be _more_ performant than instance methods if the
instance methods in question are virtual / overridden. Static methods
never required a v-table lookup (sorry for the C++ terminology... you
all know what I mean). Of course, if the instance method is not virtual
/ overridden then there is no difference at all.

Yes, correct but with the exception that you only have local variable in
your static method.. if you have a static constructor to initialize some
public fields and properties you will see a significant performance drop..

However, the idea that static methods preserve their previous state is
not true at all.
>
Any method, static or instance, can "preserve its previous state" if it
wants to. Instance methods can alter the state (fields) of the object
instance on which they're operating. Static methods can alter static
state (static fields). The latter, however, is easily overused and
should be employed with caution. That is to say, if you have a static
class with lots of static fields (static state) then you're probably
overusing the idiom and should be looking at an instance idiom instead.
>
Most static methods do _not_, in fact, store static state from one call
to the next. They are, instead, pure calculation on only the provided
arguments. That is the way in which I find them most useful, personally.
>

I was still answering again by thinking the question in general form

What I said was ...
Form C-Sharp Spec

6 A static field identifies exactly one storage location. 7 No matter how
many instances of a class are created, there is only ever one copy of a
static field.

[Bruce Wood]

Re: Static methods ?


Champika Nirosh wrote:

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"Bruce Wood" <brucewood@cana da.comwrote in message
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Champika Nirosh wrote:

Static method cost performance, but can be thread safe.
Static method preserve its previous state

Another poster has already pointed out that static methods have no
performance benefits or drawbacks over instance methods. In fact,
static methods can be _more_ performant than instance methods if the
instance methods in question are virtual / overridden. Static methods
never required a v-table lookup (sorry for the C++ terminology... you
all know what I mean). Of course, if the instance method is not virtual
/ overridden then there is no difference at all.

>
Yes, correct but with the exception that you only have local variable in
your static method.. if you have a static constructor to initialize some
public fields and properties you will see a significant performance drop..

Not to beat a dead horse, but... what gives you the idea that a static
constructor will cause a "significan t performance drop"? Any given
static constructor runs once and only once per AppDomain. Unless your
static constructor is doing some hideous amount of work, or doing
something terribly wrong-headed like going after database data--neither
of which are performance problems in any way uniquely related to static
constructors--I have no idea what you mean by this.

Perhaps I misunderstand what you're trying to say, but to my
understanding the statement, "...if you have a static constructor to
initialize some... fields and properties you will see a significant
performance drop" is simply wrong.

[Jon Skeet [C# MVP]]

Re: Static methods ?

Bruce Wood <brucewood@cana da.comwrote:

Yes, correct but with the exception that you only have local variable in
your static method.. if you have a static constructor to initialize some
public fields and properties you will see a significant performance drop..

>
Not to beat a dead horse, but... what gives you the idea that a static
constructor will cause a "significan t performance drop"? Any given
static constructor runs once and only once per AppDomain. Unless your
static constructor is doing some hideous amount of work, or doing
something terribly wrong-headed like going after database data--neither
of which are performance problems in any way uniquely related to static
constructors--I have no idea what you mean by this.
>
Perhaps I misunderstand what you're trying to say, but to my
understanding the statement, "...if you have a static constructor to
initialize some... fields and properties you will see a significant
performance drop" is simply wrong.

Not to actually agree with Champika's point, but there *is* a
performance cost involved with having a static constructor. There are
stricter guarantees about when a static constructor can be called than
just the static initializers in a class without a static constructor,
so the JIT isn't able to make as many optimisations. I have yet to see
a case where it will really make a significant performance difference,
but there *is* a slight one.

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[PS]

Re: Static methods ?


"chandu" <nareshv_chandr a@hotmail.comwr ote in message
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hello,
>
i want to know usage of static methods in a class.
is it advantageous or disadvantage to use more static methods in a class.

Some comments:

1. Some people like to have the object creation code as part of the object.
E.g. Employee e = Employee.NewMan ager("Jim Smith"). The NewManager method
needs to be static.

2. Static methods can be easier to unit test as it does not require you to
instansiate the class to access the method. As a side note the Extract
Method refactoring in VS2005 will favor making the extracted method static
if it can.

3. I use static methods for utility methods that are accessed by many
classes. Even if a method can be static within a class, if it only makes
sense for that class to use the static method then I favor using an instance
method over the static method.

PS

[Jeff Louie]

Re: Static methods ?

Also the non-object oriented forms

clone(x)
equal(x,y)

is prefered over the "object oriented"

x.twin
x.is_equal(y)

for void/null

Regards,
Jeff

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[Michael C]

Re: Static methods ?

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1. Some people like to have the object creation code as part of the
object. E.g. Employee e = Employee.NewMan ager("Jim Smith"). The NewManager
method needs to be static.

This can be useful if 2 methods are needed with the same params, eg
NewManager(stri ng Name, string Department) or NewManager(stri ng FirstName,
string Surname)

Michael

[Truong Hong Thi]

Re: Static methods ?


Hi Chandu,

Static methods are most suitable for utility methods, like that of
Math or Marshal class. All that the method needs are passed as
parameters, and no need to worry about static states/constructor nor
threadsafe (making static methods threadsafe is recommended, but don't
need to do it if it is not going to be called by many threads at the
same time). Static methods are not object-oriented, but they are handy
in this case. Try avoid class name like Utililies or Utils if you have
many methods; group related methods in a properly named class.

However, most programs will need some piece of static data to share
between objects or just to cache because the cost of initialization is
high. I often find myself define classes like App or GlobalContext and
store cached/shared objects there. Heard that Dependency Injection
container does a good job on this.

Generally, if one class derives directly from Object, and not meant to
be inherited by other class, I find no advantage it should contains
instance rather than static methods (except to avoid long parameter
list).

Thi

chandu wrote:

hello,
>
i want to know usage of static methods in a class.
is it advantageous or disadvantage to use more static methods in a class.
>
thank u