.NET application without .NET Framework

[Rajiv]

Hello,

Can some one guide me on how do i make a .NET application which upon
installing on the target system doesnot require a .NET Framework
Installed?

Bye
Rajiv

[Steven Nagy]

Re: .NET application without .NET Framework

Isn't that like asking for diet coke?

If its a .NET app, it needs the .NET framework. But possibly you want
to package the .NET framework installer into your application
installer?

I don't know what the legal issues are, but you can download the
'redistributabl e' for the .NET framework from M$ website.
I guess you could boot strap it or something. But as I said, check out
the legal issues first.

[Michael C]

Re: .NET application without .NET Framework

"Rajiv" <rajivjain.i@gm ail.com> wrote in message
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> Hello,
>
> Can some one guide me on how do i make a .NET application which upon
> installing on the target system doesnot require a .NET Framework
> Installed?[/color]

No.

Michael

[Michael C]

Re: .NET application without .NET Framework

"Rajiv" <rajivjain.i@gm ail.com> wrote in message
news:1139206799 .629691.80730@g 14g2000cwa.goog legroups.com...[color=blue]
> Hello,
>
> Can some one guide me on how do i make a .NET application which upon
> installing on the target system doesnot require a .NET Framework
> Installed?[/color]

Surely you're kidding right?

Michael

[Steven Nagy]

Re: .NET application without .NET Framework

You're responses seem a little 'negative' to me.
Perhaps Rajiv has either miscommunicated his question, OR he is simply
not very experienced with the .NET framework.
Either way, I think we should give him a chance to re-explain.

Go ahead Rajiv.

[Ankit Aneja]

Re: .NET application without .NET Framework

How can u run .net application without .net framework
it can be like that your application installer itself installs
..netframework
"Rajiv" <rajivjain.i@gm ail.com> wrote in message
news:1139206799 .629691.80730@g 14g2000cwa.goog legroups.com...[color=blue]
> Hello,
>
> Can some one guide me on how do i make a .NET application which upon
> installing on the target system doesnot require a .NET Framework
> Installed?
>
> Bye
> Rajiv
>[/color]

[Rajiv]

Re: .NET application without .NET Framework

hi,

well, i do understand what u guys are trying to say? and even i think
that it is not possible to run a .net application without its
framework.. but when i spoke to some more experienced programmers
according to them it is possible... it seems that some dll's have to be
deloyed along with the application to run without the framework... may
be its not true?? i am yet to figure out a way... but still the
question lies in my mind.. and i am trying to explore the possibility
that if we had to do it without the .net framework what r the
options???

bye
Rajiv

[Bruce Wood]

Re: .NET application without .NET Framework

In keeping with Steven's answer, we need to know whether your question
is:

"...does not required the .NET Framework to be installed beforehand."

in which case you can create a Setup project for your solution from the
Setup/Deployment Projects group. Default installations of Visual Studio
2003 cannot install the .NET framework along with your application, but
apparently you can download an add-on bootstrap plugin that will allow
you to include a .NET bootstrap in your setup.exe. I've never used it
myself, but here is the link to the (free) bootstrap plugin for Visual
Studio:

http://msdn.microsoft.com/vstudio/do.../bootstrapper/

On the other hand, if your question is:

"...does not required the .NET Framework to be installed ever."

then the answer is no. All .NET programs require the Framework in order
to run. It is not possible to run a .NET program without the .NET
Framework.

[Bruce Wood]

Re: .NET application without .NET Framework

There are no options. A .NET program will not run without the Framework
installed. Those "more experienced programmers" are wrong.

Apparently, it is possible to have the setup.exe that installs your
application (if you choose to install that way) install the Framework
first. I've never done it myself, but there is a downloadable tool for
this, so I assume that it's possible. See my other reply for details.

[Rajiv]

Re: .NET application without .NET Framework

thanks Mr. Wood i got your idea of installing the framework at setup.

[Jon Skeet [C# MVP]]

Re: .NET application without .NET Framework

Rajiv <rajivjain.i@gm ail.com> wrote:[color=blue]
> Can some one guide me on how do i make a .NET application which upon
> installing on the target system doesnot require a .NET Framework
> Installed?[/color]

See http://www.pobox.com/~skeet/csharp/f...ework.required

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[Bruce Wood]

Re: .NET application without .NET Framework

Well, I was wrong, then. It is possible to run "without the Framework
installed."

Jon, you might want to add to your list of disadvantages that if
Microsoft releases any patches to the Framework (which they have done),
then your "bundled application" won't benefit from those patches (I
assume). Do I assume correctly?

[Rajiv]

Re: .NET application without .NET Framework

Hi,

Thanks Jon...

I guess now we are going in the right direction.. meanwhile i did some
googling and found some applications which help to achieve the same...
have a look at this link....

http://thinstall.com/solutions/net_virtual.php

Rajiv

[Light]

Re: .NET application without .NET Framework

Actually, sorry to be the one to correct the misinformation: yes it is
possible to create a .NET application and run it on a system without
the framework.

There is a copy protection program that does this. What it does to my
understanding is use a compiled form of the framework in native code so
the framework isn't required.

They charge about $10,000 for it so that it is unlikely to be a
realistic solution but it is possible. I'm not sure the name of it but
some commercial software has used it.
Curtis

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[Jon Skeet [C# MVP]]

Re: .NET application without .NET Framework

Rajiv <rajivjain.i@gm ail.com> wrote:[color=blue]
> I guess now we are going in the right direction..[/color]

Not really. Although I acknowledge that it's possible, I'd personally
recommend against it. I think it's much, much better to run against the
normal framework.
[color=blue]
> meanwhile i did some
> googling and found some applications which help to achieve the same...
> have a look at this link....
>
> http://thinstall.com/solutions/net_virtual.php[/color]

Yes, Thinstall is one of the options I mention in the section I
referred to earlier.

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