interface implementation question

[Zach]

Hi everyone,

I'm a bit of a newbie to C# programming so forgive this innocent
question, but coming from a C++ background this seems very odd to me,
and I'm hoping someone can shed some light onto why things work this
way as opposed to the C++ way, which I see no real disadvantages in.

The issue arises when trying to implement an interface in C#. In C++
it is quite common to define an interface using a bunch fo pure virtual
functions and then implement it 2 or 3 levels up in the hierarchy. For
example,

class A
{
public:
virtual void f() = 0;
};

class B : public A
{

};

class C : public B
{
virtual void f() {cout << "f()" << endl;}
}

In C#, it seems this is not allowed by design (unless I'm missing
something obvious, which it certainly wouldn't be the first time). My
question is why? It seems to force you to implement all methods at the
very next level of inheritance. In the above example, C# compiler
would have forced me to implement the method f() in class B.

This method seems very inconvenient, however. For example, there are
plenty of pre-existing interfaces in the .NET base classes that provide
various services. What if you want a particular set of classes to all
provide this service? Normally, in C++, I would have made a base class
called like BaseServiceClas s, which implemented this interface. Then
in the derived classes I would provide the implementation, and
elsewhere in my code I would store pointers to BaseServiceClas s
objects, all of which could be used to call the method in question.
What is the paradigm for solving this kind of design problem in the C#
/ .NET world?

Thanks

[Michael Bray]

Re: interface implementation question

I think you might be confusing "interfaces " with "inheritanc e". Interfaces
will indeed force you to provide an implementation on the class for which
it is defined - otherwise what would be the point of the interface?

The example you give works just fine in C# as well if you are talking about
"inheritanc e". In fact, the example you give isn't "interface" at all in
the strict sense of the word - it is in fact inheritance. Also, to avoid
warnings, you would need the 'override' keyword on the f() in the class C.

public class A
{
public virtual void f() { }
}

public class B : A
{
}

public class C : B
{
public override void f()
{
Console.WriteLi ne("f()");
}
}

-mdb

"Zach" <divisortheory@ gmail.com> wrote in news:1137427435 .828656.194550
@g43g2000cwa.go oglegroups.com:
[color=blue]
> Hi everyone,
>
> I'm a bit of a newbie to C# programming so forgive this innocent
> question, but coming from a C++ background this seems very odd to me,
> and I'm hoping someone can shed some light onto why things work this
> way as opposed to the C++ way, which I see no real disadvantages in.[/color]

[Jon Skeet [C# MVP]]

Re: interface implementation question

Zach wrote:[color=blue]
> I'm a bit of a newbie to C# programming so forgive this innocent
> question, but coming from a C++ background this seems very odd to me,
> and I'm hoping someone can shed some light onto why things work this
> way as opposed to the C++ way, which I see no real disadvantages in.
>
> The issue arises when trying to implement an interface in C#. In C++
> it is quite common to define an interface using a bunch fo pure virtual
> functions and then implement it 2 or 3 levels up in the hierarchy. For
> example,
>
> class A
> {
> public:
> virtual void f() = 0;
> };
>
> class B : public A
> {
>
> };
>
> class C : public B
> {
> virtual void f() {cout << "f()" << endl;}
> }
>
> In C#, it seems this is not allowed by design (unless I'm missing
> something obvious, which it certainly wouldn't be the first time).[/color]

The above in C# would be:

public abstract class A
{
public abstract void F();
}

public abstract class B : A
{
}

public class C : B
{
public override void F()
{
Console.WriteLi ne ("F()");
}
}

B and A cannot be instantiated directly, as they don't provide
implementations for all the methods which could be called. Use the
modifier "abstract" to indicate that a method has to be overridden, or
to indicate that a class must be derived from.

Does that answer your question?

Jon

[Zach]

Re: interface implementation question

I understand the difference between the two, the thing is that in C++
there is no difference: Implementation -is- inheritance. So when
moving to C# it is more strict about what you can and can't do since it
distinguishes between the two.

The problem, however, is that there are interfaces that are already in
existance in the .NET base class libraries. They are defined using the
keyword "interface" . A good example is ISerializable. At some point,
I may want 50 related classes to be serializable. It would seem
logical that, rather than directly implementing ISerializable on each
of the 50 classes, I would implement it on a base class, but let the
derived classes override the GetObjectData() method, rather than the
base class (since it can't possibly know how derived classes need to
serialize themselves). This would naturally lead to the base class not
being instantiatable, which is fine.

Sure if I'm writing all the code myself I can make my class abstract
instead of making it an interface, but a lot of times I'm using an
interface that already exists somewhere (be it in the .NET framework,
or in some 3rd party code), and use of the other code requires that I
implement the correct interface rather than using an abstract class
(for example, because a method specifically requests an interface as a
parameter).

For example, following doesn't compile in C#, although I would like it
to.

class A : ISerializable
{
}

class B : A
{
public void GetObjectData(S erializationInf o info, StreamingContex t
context)
{
//Serialize the class here.
}
}

Instead, I have to do something like this to achieve a similar result:

abstract class A : ISerializable
{
protected abstract void GetObjectDataIm pl(Serializatio nInfo info,
StreamingContex t context);

public void GetObjectData(S erializationInf o info, StreamingContex t
context)
{
GetObjectDataIm pl(info, context);
}
}

class B : A
{
protected override void GetObjectDataIm pl(Serializatio nInfo info,
StreamingContex t context)
{
//Serialize the class here
}
}

So I guess my real question is, is there a more elegant way of doing
this, or is this really what I have to do? And what is the reasoning
behind the designers decision to force interface implementations to
happen at the very next level in the hierarchy, rather than simply
making the class uninstantiatabl e until such level in the hierarchy
where all the interface methods, properties, etc have been provided an
implementation?

[Zach]

Re: interface implementation question

Wait! I've seen the light. Apparently the following code works just
fine:

abstract class A : ISerializable
{
public abstract void GetObjectData(S erializationInf o info,
StreamingContex t context);
}

class B : A
{
public override void GetObjectData(S erializationInf o info,
StreamingContex t context)
{
//Serialize the class here
}
}

It just didn't occur to me that I might be able to add the keyword
'abstract' at the base class level, and then just leave it
unimplemented.

[James Curran]

Re: interface implementation question

"Zach" <divisortheory@ gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1137431047 .357381.135580@ g47g2000cwa.goo glegroups.com.. .[color=blue]
> It just didn't occur to me that I might be able to add the keyword
> 'abstract' at the base class level, and then just leave it
> unimplemented.
>[/color]
"abstract" is just one of many keywords/syntax rules of C#, which take
concepts which, in C++ are put in comments(*), and actually puts them in the
C# code where (EGADS!), the compiler might actual verify them.


(*) It could happen....
--
Truth,
James Curran
[erstwhile VC++ MVP]

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[Zach]

Re: interface implementation question

Yea, it's nice having the compiler check more things for you. Still
though, it seems that educational materials focus so much on drilling
into your head that "abstract classes" and "interfaces " are completely
different ("you use -either- an abstract class or an interface") that
it clouds the real issue. For me, it made me assume that doing things
the way I finally got it to work would generate a compiler error, since
the solution to the problem involved using an abstract class -and- an
interface.