Aspects

**100** · Nov 15 '05, 02:40 PM

Re: Aspects

Hi Andrew,
IFAIK, aspects are supported by .NET in general. I don't think c# will
provide more support than that.
Take a look at:
ContextBoundObj ect class and IMessageSink interface.
As well as:
IContextAttribu te, IContextPropert y, IContributeServ erContextSink,
IContributeObje ctSink, IContributeEnvo ySink and
IContributeClie ntContextSink.

Using the latter interfaces along with custom attributes you can inject
message sinks and realize your call's aspects.

Unfortunately for the latter interfaces MSDN says just:
"This member supports the .NET Framework infrastructure and is not intended
to be used directly from your code."

So you have to look at other sources for info and examples.
The only book I've read that covers this topic is Don Box' book "Essential
..NET vol. 1".

Hopefully the others on the group can suggest other good books covering
that.

HTH
B\rgds
100

"Andrew Ochsner" <andrew.ochsner @qwest.com> wrote in message
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> Wanted to get thoughts around supporting Aspects and
> Aspect Oriented programming in C#...
>
> Is it being considered (presumably through attributes)
> and is there a timeline for it?
>
> Thanks
> Andy O
>
>[/color]

**Andrew Ochsner** · Nov 15 '05, 02:41 PM

Re: Aspects

Thanks
Yes, I've looked at ContextBoundObj ects and an article on MSDN (for those
interested,
http://msdn.microsoft.com/msdnmag/is.../default.aspx). It seems
a bit heavy-handed and not very integrated into the CLR. Was just curious
on if future releases might consider using AOP a bit more, and if not, why
not? Know there's been lots of discussions about the value of it (or
dangers I suppose) and I'm not an expert when it comes to AOP so I wasn't
sure if there are sound reasons not to include tighter integration.

Thanks again
Andy O

"100" <100@100.com> wrote in message
news:erHcWyjoDH A.2772@TK2MSFTN GP12.phx.gbl...[color=blue]
> Hi Andrew,
> IFAIK, aspects are supported by .NET in general. I don't think c# will
> provide more support than that.
> Take a look at:
> ContextBoundObj ect class and IMessageSink interface.
> As well as:
> IContextAttribu te, IContextPropert y, IContributeServ erContextSink,
> IContributeObje ctSink, IContributeEnvo ySink and
> IContributeClie ntContextSink.
>
> Using the latter interfaces along with custom attributes you can inject
> message sinks and realize your call's aspects.
>
> Unfortunately for the latter interfaces MSDN says just:
> "This member supports the .NET Framework infrastructure and is not[/color]
intended[color=blue]
> to be used directly from your code."
>
> So you have to look at other sources for info and examples.
> The only book I've read that covers this topic is Don Box' book[/color]
"Essential[color=blue]
> .NET vol. 1".
>
> Hopefully the others on the group can suggest other good books covering
> that.
>
> HTH
> B\rgds
> 100
>
> "Andrew Ochsner" <andrew.ochsner @qwest.com> wrote in message
> news:O5Q7OejoDH A.2528@TK2MSFTN GP12.phx.gbl...[color=green]
> > Wanted to get thoughts around supporting Aspects and
> > Aspect Oriented programming in C#...
> >
> > Is it being considered (presumably through attributes)
> > and is there a timeline for it?
> >
> > Thanks
> > Andy O
> >
> >[/color]
>
>[/color]

**100** · Nov 15 '05, 02:44 PM

Re: Aspects

Andrew,
Thank you for the link. I haven't found it. I'll read it. Anyway, read in
the book I told you. I think there is better explanation with simple
examples.
B\rgds
100

"Andrew Ochsner" <andrew.ochsner @qwest.com> wrote in message
news:%23HSE5jlo DHA.3688@TK2MSF TNGP11.phx.gbl. ..[color=blue]
> Thanks
> Yes, I've looked at ContextBoundObj ects and an article on MSDN (for those
> interested,
> http://msdn.microsoft.com/msdnmag/is.../default.aspx). It[/color]
seems[color=blue]
> a bit heavy-handed and not very integrated into the CLR. Was just curious
> on if future releases might consider using AOP a bit more, and if not, why
> not? Know there's been lots of discussions about the value of it (or
> dangers I suppose) and I'm not an expert when it comes to AOP so I wasn't
> sure if there are sound reasons not to include tighter integration.
>
> Thanks again
> Andy O
>
>
> "100" <100@100.com> wrote in message
> news:erHcWyjoDH A.2772@TK2MSFTN GP12.phx.gbl...[color=green]
> > Hi Andrew,
> > IFAIK, aspects are supported by .NET in general. I don't think c# will
> > provide more support than that.
> > Take a look at:
> > ContextBoundObj ect class and IMessageSink interface.
> > As well as:
> > IContextAttribu te, IContextPropert y, IContributeServ erContextSink,
> > IContributeObje ctSink, IContributeEnvo ySink and
> > IContributeClie ntContextSink.
> >
> > Using the latter interfaces along with custom attributes you can inject
> > message sinks and realize your call's aspects.
> >
> > Unfortunately for the latter interfaces MSDN says just:
> > "This member supports the .NET Framework infrastructure and is not[/color]
> intended[color=green]
> > to be used directly from your code."
> >
> > So you have to look at other sources for info and examples.
> > The only book I've read that covers this topic is Don Box' book[/color]
> "Essential[color=green]
> > .NET vol. 1".
> >
> > Hopefully the others on the group can suggest other good books covering
> > that.
> >
> > HTH
> > B\rgds
> > 100
> >
> > "Andrew Ochsner" <andrew.ochsner @qwest.com> wrote in message
> > news:O5Q7OejoDH A.2528@TK2MSFTN GP12.phx.gbl...[color=darkred]
> > > Wanted to get thoughts around supporting Aspects and
> > > Aspect Oriented programming in C#...
> > >
> > > Is it being considered (presumably through attributes)
> > > and is there a timeline for it?
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > > Andy O
> > >
> > >[/color]
> >
> >[/color]
>
>[/color]

**Jeffrey Tan[MSFT]** · Nov 15 '05, 02:48 PM

Re: Aspects

Hi Andrew,

There is some talk in the link below, and one section of it talks about the
plans for things like aspect oriented programming and related techniques.

Page not found

http://blogs.gotdotnet.com/jasonz/commentview.aspx/efae2b1f-61af-4c66-8dbe-d

c6b86c20645

You can some information about the future of Microsoft developer tools at:

Microsoft Learn: Build with answers in reach

http://msdn.microsoft.com/vstudio/productinfo/roadmap.aspx

Find official documentation, practical know-how, and expert guidance for builders working and troubleshooting in Microsoft products.

And now, the C# Version 2.0 Language Specification is available, you can
get it from:

http://msdn.microsoft.com/vcsharp/

**Andrew Ochsner** · Nov 15 '05, 02:49 PM

Re: Aspects

Jeffrey:

Thanks! The first link to the Panel discussion was actually exactly what I
was looking for. I was at the PDC but was unable to attend that panel (was
at another) and was curious if it ever came up. Thanks!

Andy O

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>
> Hi Andrew,
>
> There is some talk in the link below, and one section of it talks about[/color]
the[color=blue]
> plans for things like aspect oriented programming and related techniques.
>[/color]
http://blogs.gotdotnet.com/jasonz/co...af-4c66-8dbe-d[color=blue]
> c6b86c20645
>
> You can some information about the future of Microsoft developer tools at:
> http://msdn.microsoft.com/vstudio/pr...o/roadmap.aspx
>
> And now, the C# Version 2.0 Language Specification is available, you can
> get it from:
> http://msdn.microsoft.com/vcsharp/
>
> Hope this helps,
>
> Best regards,
> Jeffrey Tan
> Microsoft Online Partner Support
> Get Secure! - www.microsoft.com/security
> This posting is provided "as is" with no warranties and confers no rights.
>
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> | Thanks
> | Yes, I've looked at ContextBoundObj ects and an article on MSDN (for[/color]
those[color=blue]
> | interested,
> | http://msdn.microsoft.com/msdnmag/is.../default.aspx). It
> seems
> | a bit heavy-handed and not very integrated into the CLR. Was just[/color]
curious[color=blue]
> | on if future releases might consider using AOP a bit more, and if not,[/color]
why[color=blue]
> | not? Know there's been lots of discussions about the value of it (or
> | dangers I suppose) and I'm not an expert when it comes to AOP so I[/color]
wasn't[color=blue]
> | sure if there are sound reasons not to include tighter integration.
> |
> | Thanks again
> | Andy O
> |
> |
> | "100" <100@100.com> wrote in message
> | news:erHcWyjoDH A.2772@TK2MSFTN GP12.phx.gbl...
> | > Hi Andrew,
> | > IFAIK, aspects are supported by .NET in general. I don't think c# will
> | > provide more support than that.
> | > Take a look at:
> | > ContextBoundObj ect class and IMessageSink interface.
> | > As well as:
> | > IContextAttribu te, IContextPropert y, IContributeServ erContextSink,
> | > IContributeObje ctSink, IContributeEnvo ySink and
> | > IContributeClie ntContextSink.
> | >
> | > Using the latter interfaces along with custom attributes you can[/color]
inject[color=blue]
> | > message sinks and realize your call's aspects.
> | >
> | > Unfortunately for the latter interfaces MSDN says just:
> | > "This member supports the .NET Framework infrastructure and is not
> | intended
> | > to be used directly from your code."
> | >
> | > So you have to look at other sources for info and examples.
> | > The only book I've read that covers this topic is Don Box' book
> | "Essential
> | > .NET vol. 1".
> | >
> | > Hopefully the others on the group can suggest other good books[/color]
covering[color=blue]
> | > that.
> | >
> | > HTH
> | > B\rgds
> | > 100
> | >
> | > "Andrew Ochsner" <andrew.ochsner @qwest.com> wrote in message
> | > news:O5Q7OejoDH A.2528@TK2MSFTN GP12.phx.gbl...
> | > > Wanted to get thoughts around supporting Aspects and
> | > > Aspect Oriented programming in C#...
> | > >
> | > > Is it being considered (presumably through attributes)
> | > > and is there a timeline for it?
> | > >
> | > > Thanks
> | > > Andy O
> | > >
> | > >
> | >
> | >
> |
> |
> |
>[/color]

**Jeffrey Tan[MSFT]** · Nov 15 '05, 02:51 PM

Re: Aspects

Hi Andrew,

I am glad it makes sense to you.
If you still have any question, please feel to tell me.

Best regards,
Jeffrey Tan
Microsoft Online Partner Support
Get Secure! - www.microsoft.com/security
This posting is provided "as is" with no warranties and confers no rights.

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| Jeffrey:
|
| Thanks! The first link to the Panel discussion was actually exactly what
I
| was looking for. I was at the PDC but was unable to attend that panel
(was
| at another) and was curious if it ever came up. Thanks!
|
| Andy O
|
|
| ""Jeffrey Tan[MSFT]"" <v-jetan@online.mi crosoft.com> wrote in message
| news:CtDG523oDH A.2464@cpmsftng xa06.phx.gbl...
| >
| > Hi Andrew,
| >
| > There is some talk in the link below, and one section of it talks about
| the
| > plans for things like aspect oriented programming and related
techniques.
| >
|

Page not found

http://blogs.gotdotnet.com/jasonz/commentview.aspx/efae2b1f-61af-4c66-8dbe-d

| > c6b86c20645
| >
| > You can some information about the future of Microsoft developer tools
at:
| > http://msdn.microsoft.com/vstudio/pr...o/roadmap.aspx
| >
| > And now, the C# Version 2.0 Language Specification is available, you can
| > get it from:
| > http://msdn.microsoft.com/vcsharp/
| >
| > Hope this helps,
| >
| > Best regards,
| > Jeffrey Tan
| > Microsoft Online Partner Support
| > Get Secure! - www.microsoft.com/security
| > This posting is provided "as is" with no warranties and confers no
rights.
| >
| > --------------------
| > | Reply-To: "Andrew Ochsner" <andrew.ochsner @qwest.com>
| > | From: "Andrew Ochsner" <andrew.ochsner @qwest.com>
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| > <erHcWyjoDHA.27 72@TK2MSFTNGP12 .phx.gbl>
| > | Subject: Re: Aspects
| > | Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 15:22:14 -0700
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| > |
| > | Thanks
| > | Yes, I've looked at ContextBoundObj ects and an article on MSDN (for
| those
| > | interested,
| > | http://msdn.microsoft.com/msdnmag/is.../default.aspx). It
| > seems
| > | a bit heavy-handed and not very integrated into the CLR. Was just
| curious
| > | on if future releases might consider using AOP a bit more, and if not,
| why
| > | not? Know there's been lots of discussions about the value of it (or
| > | dangers I suppose) and I'm not an expert when it comes to AOP so I
| wasn't
| > | sure if there are sound reasons not to include tighter integration.
| > |
| > | Thanks again
| > | Andy O
| > |
| > |
| > | "100" <100@100.com> wrote in message
| > | news:erHcWyjoDH A.2772@TK2MSFTN GP12.phx.gbl...
| > | > Hi Andrew,
| > | > IFAIK, aspects are supported by .NET in general. I don't think c#
will
| > | > provide more support than that.
| > | > Take a look at:
| > | > ContextBoundObj ect class and IMessageSink interface.
| > | > As well as:
| > | > IContextAttribu te, IContextPropert y, IContributeServ erContextSink,
| > | > IContributeObje ctSink, IContributeEnvo ySink and
| > | > IContributeClie ntContextSink.
| > | >
| > | > Using the latter interfaces along with custom attributes you can
| inject
| > | > message sinks and realize your call's aspects.
| > | >
| > | > Unfortunately for the latter interfaces MSDN says just:
| > | > "This member supports the .NET Framework infrastructure and is not
| > | intended
| > | > to be used directly from your code."
| > | >
| > | > So you have to look at other sources for info and examples.
| > | > The only book I've read that covers this topic is Don Box' book
| > | "Essential
| > | > .NET vol. 1".
| > | >
| > | > Hopefully the others on the group can suggest other good books
| covering
| > | > that.
| > | >
| > | > HTH
| > | > B\rgds
| > | > 100
| > | >
| > | > "Andrew Ochsner" <andrew.ochsner @qwest.com> wrote in message
| > | > news:O5Q7OejoDH A.2528@TK2MSFTN GP12.phx.gbl...
| > | > > Wanted to get thoughts around supporting Aspects and
| > | > > Aspect Oriented programming in C#...
| > | > >
| > | > > Is it being considered (presumably through attributes)
| > | > > and is there a timeline for it?
| > | > >
| > | > > Thanks
| > | > > Andy O
| > | > >
| > | > >
| > | >
| > | >
| > |
| > |
| > |
| >
|
|
|

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