Any idea if MS will try to promote Silverlight over ASP.NET for web
development or will silverlight remain just as a adobe's flash like
tecnology?
development or will silverlight remain just as a adobe's flash like
tecnology?
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Re: ASP.NET vs Silverlight?
On Jun 14, 10:28 pm, Artificer <eliezerfigue.. .@gmail.comwrot e:Hi,Any idea if MS will try to promote Silverlight over ASP.NET for web
development or will silverlight remain just as a adobe's flash like
tecnology?
I think
Silverlight is the next generation RIA (Rich internet application)
supporting very developer friendly environment ... more over besides
the powerful support of Graphics device we can write programs with our
favorite c# and xaml...
As for asp.net i think it will remain on track ...
Munna
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Re: ASP.NET vs Silverlight?
A bit of both.
There are some applications that will work well with adding a movie (or
similar) in them, ala Flash. Other applications will be better as 100%
Silverlight.
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!Any idea if MS will try to promote Silverlight over ASP.NET for web
!development or will silverlight remain just as a adobe's flash like tecnology?
I fail to see what Silverlight adds to a data-driven ASP.NET application.
Silverlight is for presenting streaming media and Rich Interactive Applications(RI A) for the web.
If you don't use streaming media...you don't need Silverlight.
Silverlight doesn't require ASP.NET to be used on the web-server.
You could use Silverlight with PHP on Linux if you wanted to.
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"Artificer" <eliezerfiguero a@gmail.comwrot e in message
news:a0a37195-4697-4cfc-b6bc-94ecce6b364e@x4 1g2000hsb.googl egroups.com...ASP.NET forms may still have a role to play in the public web space whereAny idea if MS will try to promote Silverlight over ASP.NET for web
development or will silverlight remain just as a adobe's flash like
tecnology?
simple forms are needed. However for more extensive UIs and for intranet
applications I think Silverlight is going to be big, real big.
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Re: ASP.NET vs Silverlight?
I hardly think Silverlight will replace ASP.Net, because truly rich applications
can be developed using them in conjunction with each other.
It also needs to be taken into account that most people don't like installing
plugins in their browser, so large scale uptake will be slow.
Personally I would still prefer to do back office applications without
Silverlight. Myself and the other seniors at our company still aren't
particularly thrilled with Silverlight.
Silverlight 2.0 will likely be a big thing, like LINQ to SQL, until people start
using it in enterprise applications and start taking all the extra implications
into account.
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"Blackhand" <blackhand@emai l.comwrote in message
news:M5GdnRwGFe GH0cnVnZ2dnUVZ8 sSdnZ2d@giganew s.com...applicationsI hardly think Silverlight will replace ASP.Net, because truly richinstallingcan be developed using them in conjunction with each other.
>
It also needs to be taken into account that most people don't likestartplugins in their browser, so large scale uptake will be slow.
>
Personally I would still prefer to do back office applications without
Silverlight. Myself and the other seniors at our company still aren't
particularly thrilled with Silverlight.
>
Silverlight 2.0 will likely be a big thing, like LINQ to SQL, until peopleimplicationsusing it in enterprise applications and start taking all the extrainto account.
>
I was speaking to the future, I wasn't suggesting that Silverlight is ready
now. However with a stronger control framework a future Silverlight will be
very compelling.
Simply put HTML is just not the right platform to deliver a UI (as opposed
to displaying content). The use of HTML in this way was forced on to users
by IT departments trying to regain control of applications delvered to users
and by woefully inadequate means of centrally managing what is installed on
PCs.
The continued focus of those developing the HTML standard and the related
CSS standard is content delivery with only a secondary nod to UI. The fact
is though that a UI developer wants a much finer control over the
presentation whereas the HTML/CSS committees are going in the other
direction, trying to separate content from presentation.
This means that UI developer often has to wrestle HTML into doing what is
needed. That's not to mention that various browsers don't always interpret
the same HTML/CSS in the same way. Yes ASP.NET does help reduce that
significantly by insulating the developer somewhat but it can never be
complete and it still doesn't fix the fact that the underlying technology
isn't properly suited to the task.
Having a sandbox on the client which has few external dependacies running
code written in C# that does what you ask it to, is over time, going to be
prefered to struggling with HTML based UIs. This is of course an my own
conjectured opinion and depends a great deal on whether a usable control
framework appears in Silverlight.
In the wider world of the public web where, as you say, some users are loath
to install additional components Silverlight may not have as much impact.
It already has established competitors which are fairly ubiquitous.
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!Simply put HTML is just not the right platform to deliver a UI (as opposed to displaying content).
If you mean a *Rich User Interface* or *Rich Interactive Applications*,
I agree, but there's a lot of adequate HTML-based UI's on the web now.
If there's a need for visual demonstrations, Silverlight/Flash can't be beat,
and Silverlight certainly does a lot more than Flash does, but for data-driven
online catalogs/shopping carts, and/or any website which doesn't have the
need to visually demonstrate concepts or products, Silverlight/Flash are
overhead-producing overkill.
When it comes to giving clients quick data and purchasing choices,
platforms which deliver HTML to clients, like ASP.NET does,
are much more efficient and quick-loading than either Silverlight or Flash.
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"Anthony Jones" <Ant@yadayadaya da.comwrote in message news:Oh3zZKszIH A.4912@TK2MSFTN GP03.phx.gbl..."Blackhand" <blackhand@emai l.comwrote in message
news:M5GdnRwGFe GH0cnVnZ2dnUVZ8 sSdnZ2d@giganew s.com...applications>I hardly think Silverlight will replace ASP.Net, because truly richinstalling>can be developed using them in conjunction with each other.
>>
>It also needs to be taken into account that most people don't likestart>plugins in their browser, so large scale uptake will be slow.
>>
>Personally I would still prefer to do back office applications without
>Silverlight. Myself and the other seniors at our company still aren't
>particularly thrilled with Silverlight.
>>
>Silverlight 2.0 will likely be a big thing, like LINQ to SQL, until peopleimplications>using it in enterprise applications and start taking all the extra>into account.
I was speaking to the future, I wasn't suggesting that Silverlight is ready
now. However with a stronger control framework a future Silverlight will be
very compelling.
>
Simply put HTML is just not the right platform to deliver a UI (as opposed
to displaying content). The use of HTML in this way was forced on to users
by IT departments trying to regain control of applications delvered to users
and by woefully inadequate means of centrally managing what is installed on
PCs.
>
The continued focus of those developing the HTML standard and the related
CSS standard is content delivery with only a secondary nod to UI. The fact
is though that a UI developer wants a much finer control over the
presentation whereas the HTML/CSS committees are going in the other
direction, trying to separate content from presentation.
>
This means that UI developer often has to wrestle HTML into doing what is
needed. That's not to mention that various browsers don't always interpret
the same HTML/CSS in the same way. Yes ASP.NET does help reduce that
significantly by insulating the developer somewhat but it can never be
complete and it still doesn't fix the fact that the underlying technology
isn't properly suited to the task.
>
Having a sandbox on the client which has few external dependacies running
code written in C# that does what you ask it to, is over time, going to be
prefered to struggling with HTML based UIs. This is of course an my own
conjectured opinion and depends a great deal on whether a usable control
framework appears in Silverlight.
>
In the wider world of the public web where, as you say, some users are loath
to install additional components Silverlight may not have as much impact.
It already has established competitors which are fairly ubiquitous.
>
>
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Re: ASP.NET vs Silverlight?
"Juan T. Llibre" <nomailreplies@ nowhere.comwrot e in message
news:OOMP6lzzIH A.3884@TK2MSFTN GP05.phx.gbl...
Agreed 100%. Silverlight is great when the main purpose of the site it'sSilverlight is a bandwidth-intensive platform, hardly suitable for
business needs.
As far as eye-candy goes, it's alright, though.
used on is to show how clever the developers are at graphics stuff, but for
business apps where functionality is more important than graphics,
Silverlight is all but irrelevant...
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ASP.NET MVP
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Re: ASP.NET vs Silverlight?
Another problem that's getting overlooked, is that search engine spiders
can't parse the content of flash/silverlight.
For a lot of our clients that would be reason enough not to go for a
full on Silverlight solution (your site is only as good as its traffic).
Yes there are was to improve search engine friendliness, bottom line is
unfortunately, the spider still can't crawl the content and rank your
page anywhere near as well as if it was HTML.
Mark Rae [MVP] wrote:"Juan T. Llibre" <nomailreplies@ nowhere.comwrot e in message
news:OOMP6lzzIH A.3884@TK2MSFTN GP05.phx.gbl...
>>>Silverlight is a bandwidth-intensive platform, hardly suitable for
>business needs.
>As far as eye-candy goes, it's alright, though.
Agreed 100%. Silverlight is great when the main purpose of the site it's
used on is to show how clever the developers are at graphics stuff, but
for business apps where functionality is more important than graphics,
Silverlight is all but irrelevant...
>
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Re: ASP.NET vs Silverlight?
Another problem that's getting overlooked, is that search engine spiders
can't parse the content of flash/silverlight.
For a lot of our clients that would be reason enough not to go for a
full on Silverlight solution (your site is only as good as its traffic).
Yes there are ways to improve search engine friendliness, bottom line
is, unfortunately, the spider still can't crawl the content and rank
your page anywhere near as well as if it was HTML.
Mark Rae [MVP] wrote:"Juan T. Llibre" <nomailreplies@ nowhere.comwrot e in message
news:OOMP6lzzIH A.3884@TK2MSFTN GP05.phx.gbl...
>>>Silverlight is a bandwidth-intensive platform, hardly suitable for
>business needs.
>As far as eye-candy goes, it's alright, though.
Agreed 100%. Silverlight is great when the main purpose of the site it's
used on is to show how clever the developers are at graphics stuff, but
for business apps where functionality is more important than graphics,
Silverlight is all but irrelevant...
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Re: ASP.NET vs Silverlight?
search engines just need to evolve. no biggie.
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"Blackhand" <blackhand@emai l.comwrote in message
news:oYudnZ4mpq y9XcjVnZ2dnUVZ8 t2dnZ2d@giganew s.com...Another problem that's getting overlooked, is that search engine spiders
can't parse the content of flash/silverlight.
>
For a lot of our clients that would be reason enough not to go for a full
on Silverlight solution (your site is only as good as its traffic). Yes
there are ways to improve search engine friendliness, bottom line is,
unfortunately, the spider still can't crawl the content and rank your page
anywhere near as well as if it was HTML.
>
Mark Rae [MVP] wrote:>"Juan T. Llibre" <nomailreplies@ nowhere.comwrot e in message
>news:OOMP6lzzI HA.3884@TK2MSFT NGP05.phx.gbl.. .
>>>>>>Silverlight is a bandwidth-intensive platform, hardly suitable for
>>business needs.
>>As far as eye-candy goes, it's alright, though.
>Agreed 100%. Silverlight is great when the main purpose of the site it's
>used on is to show how clever the developers are at graphics stuff, but
>for business apps where functionality is more important than graphics,
>Silverlight is all but irrelevant...
>>
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"Juan T. Llibre" <nomailreplies@ nowhere.comwrot e in message
news:OOMP6lzzIH A.3884@TK2MSFTN GP05.phx.gbl...Silverlight,I'll agree to the extent that there's a lot of work to be done onASP.NET, though.and that its future, if the promise made can be delivered, may be bright.
>
There's no way that Silverlight can compete in throughput efficiency withI don't understand that statement. Currently I have an ASP.NET / AJAX>
developement tuned such that all that needs to pass back between client and
server is the dynamically changing data. All the JS, CSS, XSL and
containing HTML is pretty much served up from the clients local cache.
I can't see any reason why the same can't apply in to a Silverlight app in
the future. In fact it would be quite natural.
business needs.Silverlight is a bandwidth-intensive platform, hardly suitable forYes, currently its potential is clouded by all this 'eye-candy' that isAs far as eye-candy goes, it's alright, though.
currently being promoted not least of course by MS because it isn't ready to
do anything else.
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!I can't see any reason why the same can't apply in to a Silverlight app in the future.
Let me know when it's ready.
<chuckle>
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"Juan T. Llibre" <nomailreplies@ nowhere.comwrot e in message
news:OOMP6lzzIH A.3884@TK2MSFTN GP05.phx.gbl...Silverlight,>I'll agree to the extent that there's a lot of work to be done onASP.NET, though.>and that its future, if the promise made can be delivered, may be bright.
>>
>There's no way that Silverlight can compete in throughput efficiency with>>>
I don't understand that statement. Currently I have an ASP.NET / AJAX
developement tuned such that all that needs to pass back between client and
server is the dynamically changing data. All the JS, CSS, XSL and
containing HTML is pretty much served up from the clients local cache.
>
I can't see any reason why the same can't apply in to a Silverlight app in
the future. In fact it would be quite natural.
>business needs.>Silverlight is a bandwidth-intensive platform, hardly suitable for>>As far as eye-candy goes, it's alright, though.
Yes, currently its potential is clouded by all this 'eye-candy' that is
currently being promoted not least of course by MS because it isn't ready to
do anything else.
>
>
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!search engines just need to evolve. no biggie.
That's easy for you to say... ;-)
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>
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"Blackhand" <blackhand@emai l.comwrote in message news:oYudnZ4mpq y9XcjVnZ2dnUVZ8 t2dnZ2d@giganew s.com...>Another problem that's getting overlooked, is that search engine spiders can't parse the content of
>flash/silverlight.
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>For a lot of our clients that would be reason enough not to go for a full on Silverlight solution (your site is only
>as good as its traffic). Yes there are ways to improve search engine friendliness, bottom line is, unfortunately, the
>spider still can't crawl the content and rank your page anywhere near as well as if it was HTML.
>>
>Mark Rae [MVP] wrote:>>"Juan T. Llibre" <nomailreplies@ nowhere.comwrot e in message news:OOMP6lzzIH A.3884@TK2MSFTN GP05.phx.gbl...
>>>
>>>Silverligh t is a bandwidth-intensive platform, hardly suitable for business needs.
>>>As far as eye-candy goes, it's alright, though.
>>>
>>Agreed 100%. Silverlight is great when the main purpose of the site it's used on is to show how clever the
>>developers are at graphics stuff, but for business apps where functionality is more important than graphics,
>>Silverlight is all but irrelevant...
>>>
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